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feller
Jul 5, 2006


BigDave posted:

Since the House of Saud is undergoing a minor coup d'etat and bleeding money into a Yemenese civil war, prices might start heading back up.

I don't follow the logic here. They'll cut back on production due to the above coup and costly war?

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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Proposition Castle posted:

Just turn the meth heads loose and they'll find some real quick.

Basically like those pigs that sniff out truffles. Tweakers can sniff out copper baby formula from a surprising distance.

legendof
Oct 27, 2014

My mom's financial life is a wreck: impending foreclosure and car repossession, multiple payday loans, etc and she asked me for help, any suggestions?

quote:

My mom called me yesterday freaking out, on the verge of tears. Her finances have been a mess for years (and I've been aware) but they've hit a point where she doesn't feel like she can dig herself out and wants to just walk away from everything and start fresh. She asked for my advice. She did not ask for money, but she did ask for help in getting out of this situation like if she walks away from the house, she needs help moving and finding a new place, that sort of thing.

There are a lot of contributing factors to her financial mess, not excuses by any means but things that propelled her further into debt. One, she has a 6-year-old daughter. She thought she was old enough to go through menopause and ended up getting pregnant.Having a kid in her mid-40s (she's now 50) is not something she expected and it's expensive even with buying second hand and such.

Two, she married her daughter's father. I think she thought that it would be good for her to grow up in a two-parent home but he doesn't understand the value of a dollar and constantly wants to spend money on things they don't need like a newer car (he doesn't even drive), game systems, TVs, etc. He also smokes and refuses to give up his expensive Mountain Dews in favor of something cheaper.

And finally, she works a job where she's underpaid compared to others who do the same job because she's not as highly educated. She works at a factory and was promoted from the production floor to work in their offices on lean production stuff. I'm not sure of her exact job title but she has told me that she makes about $4/hr less than the recent college graduate they hired and they do the exact same job. Now, I don't know how true that is because my mom may see it differently than it actually but that's what she told me.

Here's what I know of their financial situation:

-Combined, they make about $68,000 a year, she is the higher earner of the two but I don't know exact numbers. The last number I knew was $38,000 for her but she has changed roles to one with a higher wage but also lost all overtime so I'd assume that it's slightly higher now but not by much

-Mortgage was for ~$70,000 in 2005, it's been paid down to ~$50,000

-She has received foreclosure paperwork and her mortgage company will not take any more payments but they did say there's a way back into the loan (not sure what that is)

-They have a car payment for a minivan for ~$500 per month

-They have at least 2, if not 3, payday loans out, my mom said she's been taking them for $25 less each time in hopes of finally getting rid of them

-My mom filed bankruptcy in 2012

-My mom has very little in her 401k and wants to cash it out if she changes jobs (I'm trying to talk her out of this)

-They live in the midwest in a small city with a low cost of living

My mom has stated that she wants to get rid of the car and buy something outright with her Christmas bonus (~$1000). She has hinted around that she's considering divorcing her husband due to his lack of interest in helping her get out of the financial situation that he helped make (among other things - he's an rear end). She has stated that she's considering letting the house go and getting a rental. She has stated that she wants to get another job. She does not have a high school diploma, however, and she would need to get a GED before she can another job.

One of the big factors in my mom deciding whether to move is deciding if she wants to uproot my little sister but I've suggested that she move to my side of town (there are even two rentals within a block of me) so my sister could come to my house after school and it would likely ease the transition. Also, my mom and my dad got divorced when I was 10 and I moved 3 times in a year so I think I can talk to her and help her through the tough times. This would also allow my mom some breathing room in her childcare situation so she could go to GED classes and potentially move on to a better job.

So now, I'm asking for some advice. I don't really know what to do. I've looked into things like short sales to get her out of the house without a foreclosure. My husband and I are stable in our finances (debt free, 6 months expenses in savings, etc) so the temptation to help financially is there but we have both agreed that if we did help financially, it would be in a limited capacity such as paying a deposit on a rental.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


legendof posted:

My mom's financial life is a wreck: impending foreclosure and car repossession, multiple payday loans, etc and she asked me for help, any suggestions?

-Combined, they make about $68,000 a year, she is the higher earner of the two but I don't know exact numbers. The last number I knew was $38,000 for her but she has changed roles to one with a higher wage but also lost all overtime so I'd assume that it's slightly higher now but not by much

-Mortgage was for ~$70,000 in 2005, it's been paid down to ~$50,000

-She has received foreclosure paperwork and her mortgage company will not take any more payments but they did say there's a way back into the loan (not sure what that is)

-They have a car payment for a minivan for ~$500 per month

Running the numbers and assuming a ~4.5% interest rate on a 30-year note, her monthly mortgage payment is probably around $350-400 a month.

They make ~$70K combined and they're going to lose their home because they can't find enough cash each month to cover a mortgage that is less than their car payment, and less even than some of the particularly idiotic cellphone bills we've seen in this thread. I mean, if they can't even make that, how the hell are they going to afford rent? Even in Shitsville, Midwest, USA you're not going to find much in that price range that doesn't include the words "leaky" and "trailer".

If there wasn't a kid involved (:smith:) I'd say let them get foreclosed on and live in their stupid minivan.

Porfiriato fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Nov 19, 2017

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar
Oh to be so poor that you hope someone gives up their expensive mountain dews.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Senor Dog posted:

I don't follow the logic here. They'll cut back on production due to the above coup and costly war?

The mere idea that oil production might be troubled is probably enough to raise commodity prices.

Also, I'm not sure if I was specific about how the mine was inactive mostly because apparently graphite's too cheap to be bothered producing more right now, while we're on commodities.

Drunk Tomato
Apr 23, 2010

If God wanted us sober,
He'd knock the glass over.

The mom being 50 and her kid wanting her to go get her GED and "find a better job" in hicksylvania is just :eng99:

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
It's like a treasure trove of horrible. I can't get over the 50k left on the mortgage, and yet they're paying 1% of that each month towards a minivan.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

There's some kind of hipster-blogger style BWM site for women:

Money Diaries, Where Millennial Women Go to Judge One Another’s Spending Habits

quote:

Money Diaries launched in January of 2016, premised on the idea that “the first step to getting your financial life in order is tracking what you spend.” By encouraging young women to record their expenditures, and to discuss their finances frankly, Refinery29 could, the theory goes, help young women become savvier about money.

Actual site here

Mostly it seems to be a place for people to judge each other, so like all social media except this one is based on money.

quote:

One woman who makes a hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year in media noted that her boyfriend picked up the bill for several outings. “50’s AF,” one commenter wrote. Women who pay for their boyfriends, such as a tech-industry worker with a salary of a hundred and forty-five thousand dollars (plus a thirty-thousand-dollar bonus), are equally scolded. “whyyyy would you ever let the boyfriend get off rent-free before you are married? . . . Women be trippin!” A Fordham student had virtually no income, and mostly subsisted on contributions from her parents. Naturally, this enraged the commenters—but so did plenty else about her spending habits. “drat she eats carbs every meal,” one wrote.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Senor Dog posted:

I don't follow the logic here. They'll cut back on production due to the above coup and costly war?

Saudi Arabia has been over producing to drive prices down and kill off all the shale drilling. It worked to a degree, but the US and Canada can still produce enough oil at current prices to keep being a problem for OPEC.

If they cut back on production they can increase prices, but that'll bring in more shale producers. So they're kind of hosed. Which is why they're trying to reform their economy while they still have lots of cash and the coup is part of this.

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop
BWM: carbs with EVERY meal???

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/millennials-say-no-to-kids-population-replacement-level-turns-negative/article/2640743?platform=hootsuitet

Lol, millennials are smart in some ways

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
I realize that Bitcoin is BWM easy-mode, but this one is still pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1HzU_gHSDI

tl;dw: Guy with a self-admitted "addictive personality" goes all-in on Bitcoin to the tune of 35k GBP (20k borrowed), buys in just before a dip, panic sells, panic buys "Bitcoin Cash" (a "fork" of Bitcoin promoted heavily by known Bitcoin scammer Roger Ver), starts day-trading to make up losses, loses even more (losses now 20k GBP total), meanwhile original flavor Bitcoin is back to where it was before it dipped. Choice quote: "I get all my financial advice from Reddit."

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Bad With Money: I get all my financial advice from Reddit

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

What? One name? Who are you, Seal?

Enfys posted:

There's some kind of hipster-blogger style BWM site for women:

Money Diaries, Where Millennial Women Go to Judge One Another’s Spending Habits


Actual site here

Mostly it seems to be a place for people to judge each other, so like all social media except this one is based on money.

This is one of my favorite parts about threads like this, Reddit, etc. The people who are just clearly looking for any reason whatsoever to scold.

I remember reading one Reddit thread where they immediately lit up some poor woman for her “extravagant” expenses. I actually added them all up, and they came out to roughly $18,000 per year for everything (including her rent).

Basically, with any given money thread, someone will be there to tell you that you really don’t need food or water.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

SlyFrog posted:

This is one of my favorite parts about threads like this, Reddit, etc. The people who are just clearly looking for any reason whatsoever to scold.

I remember reading one Reddit thread where they immediately lit up some poor woman for her “extravagant” expenses. I actually added them all up, and they came out to roughly $18,000 per year for everything (including her rent).

Basically, with any given money thread, someone will be there to tell you that you really don’t need food or water.
Or point out something that is super area dependent, like somebody from Nebraska chastising someone in the Bay Area for living costs.

olylifter
Sep 13, 2007

I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!
https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/7dy8g4/wa_my_sister_gave_parents_65k_for_a_new_house/

First off, some context: My 20 year old sister is blind and has some mental disabilities due to fetal alcohol syndrome. Our parents are horrible with money.
I’m in college about 5 hours away. I had no idea anything was going on until my sister called me in tears 4 days ago. A few months ago, our parents wanted to purchase a house, for which they didn’t have enough money for the down payment.

My sister has been working part-time jobs and has a sizeable nest egg built up which she wanted to use for her graduate degree. Our parents asked her for ALL her savings saying she’d be much happier there and everything would be fine and dandy. From what it sounds like, my sister was reluctant to give our parents money for the down payment, but our mom emotionally blackmailed her saying things like “You don’t love me” and “I don’t want to live if it has to be here (their current rental home).” Finally, she gives in and everything’s good. They have her sign what they told her was the form so that she could be on the house deed. Fast forward to recently. They closed on the house and moved in. My sister got home from one of her shifts, and our mom instantly starts screaming at her that she’s a freeloader and to get out of the house. She finally calms then, but then the next morning she and our dad approach my sister and say that she has to leave and they’re going to send her to her grandparents who live in the next county over.

This is when I get a phone call. I do some digging and find out that the paper she signed which she thought was for the deed was actually for a gift letter.

My question is: Does my sister have any recourse? She didn’t know she was signing a gift letter. Her life has basically been derailed. She’s living with our grandparents now and she has no money left. She’s had to call her jobs to quit because she can’t feasibly get to her workplace anymore.

Sorry for the poor formatting/grammar. I’m just really worried for her and don’t know what to do. Thanks in advance for your guys help.

Edit: Forgot to add that my sister has paid monthly for rent and some of the utility bills, but they’ve been in cash.


what in the gently caress is wrong with people. How do you rationalize stealing from your blind, intellectually disabled (condition attributed directly to your loving selfish behaviour) child? How would you look at yourself in the mirror after that?

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Nap Ghost
That is so irredeemably horrible that my only recourse is to hope that it's a fake story.

mod saas
May 4, 2004

Grimey Drawer

DarkHorse posted:

That is so irredeemably horrible that my only recourse is to hope that it's a fake story.

:same:

Photex
Apr 6, 2009




olylifter posted:

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/7dy8g4/wa_my_sister_gave_parents_65k_for_a_new_house/

First off, some context: My 20 year old sister is blind and has some mental disabilities due to fetal alcohol syndrome.

what in the gently caress is wrong with people. How do you rationalize stealing from your blind, intellectually disabled (condition attributed directly to your loving selfish behaviour) child? How would you look at yourself in the mirror after that?

I quoted the dead give away.

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

I believe it. If not true, countless near identical tales have occurred. People are largely overrated trash, IMO.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

Boomers bankrupt a generation, then are astonished when they shy away from excesses.

Lando Kardashian
Jul 11, 2007

pissidential

Ok so what is going on with bitcoins, these are more anecdotal BWM....


I am sitting at a meeting right now at my real-estate job and its being held up because EMPLOYEE #1 has convinced BOSS to purchase whateverbullshitcoin at ICO at the very moment of the meeting. They went through the process of setting up his coinbase and Nano-dogecoin whatever account the boss puts in $500 and now theres no record of his purchase through either of the platforms.

The guy who convinced him to purchase remarked "Its $1 a coin but soon it will be $10 a coin!" Which may be true but who the gently caress is going to buy the coin in the first place and in what currency will that purchase be?


"So how can I tell if I bought this or not?" - Boss

We are now still sitting here while EMPLOYEE #1 shows him the support line through coinbase in case he wants a refund...




Bitcoin BWM part 2#

Sitting in a coffee shop today. Three young silicon valley wannabe guys walk in and ask the shop owner about his empty basement space so they can setup a bitcoin farm. They went through the whole sales pitch but conveniently left out the intricacies of the coin exchanges and cost of electricity. But sold him on the sheer potential of the coin to go up. I want to pull my hair out in frustration but every response would just be "YEAH BUT BITCOIN IS 8,000 IS RIGHT NOW"

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX
otoh it'll be really funny if they lose their life savings and post about it on the internet

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Enfys posted:

There's some kind of hipster-blogger style BWM site for women:

Money Diaries, Where Millennial Women Go to Judge One Another’s Spending Habits


Actual site here

Mostly it seems to be a place for people to judge each other, so like all social media except this one is based on money.

Lol there's a girl earning over $200k/yr as a legal brothel worker in NV with zero debt and is saving $15k a month and people in the comments are still telling her to cut out Starbucks.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Youth Decay posted:

Lol there's a girl earning over $200k/yr as a legal brothel worker in NV with zero debt and is saving $15k a month and people in the comments are still telling her to cut out Starbucks.

On the other hand:

"Health Insurance: I am currently uninsured, but it typically costs $400/month and up for private insurance."

This seems kind of like a questionable decision for a brothel worker, legal or not.

e: and then I read the rest of it, and yeah

Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Nov 20, 2017

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

How can we possibly win? If we have kids while living in our parents basements and working 30 hours at Starbucks then we are irresponsible, if we don't reproduce at replacement level then the clickworthy article headline is "millennials are killing the population"

But obviously it's a rational response to the situation we are in, if you are paying any attention then the writing is on the wall for us. The boomers are really going to turn the screws on us with taxes to pay for their Medicare and Social Security into their golden 90s and at the same time they're going to soak up all the wonderful home equity we might stand to inherit some day with reverse mortgages. How can anyone afford to raise their own children?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

I am a dumb millennial who had kids, and I can confirm that it was a terrible financial choice.

Lowness 72
Jul 19, 2006
BUTTS LOL

Jade Ear Joe
Was it worth it?

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Senor Dog posted:

I don't follow the logic here. They'll cut back on production due to the above coup and costly war?


Krispy Wafer posted:

Saudi Arabia has been over producing to drive prices down and kill off all the shale drilling. It worked to a degree, but the US and Canada can still produce enough oil at current prices to keep being a problem for OPEC.

If they cut back on production they can increase prices, but that'll bring in more shale producers. So they're kind of hosed. Which is why they're trying to reform their economy while they still have lots of cash and the coup is part of this.

What this guy said.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
If you don't have kids, who will inherit your lands and titles, avenge your death if you are slain in battle, or preserve your family's name and status by marrying up into a notable family and bearing healthy sons?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

canyoneer posted:

If you don't have kids, who will inherit your lands and titles, avenge your death if you are slain in battle, or preserve your family's name and status by marrying up into a notable family and bearing healthy sons?

As much as Millenials seem to like watching the Game of Thrones they don't seem to be very good at playing it.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Jordan7hm posted:

On the other hand:

"Health Insurance: I am currently uninsured, but it typically costs $400/month and up for private insurance."

This seems kind of like a questionable decision for a brothel worker, legal or not.

e: and then I read the rest of it, and yeah

I'm curious what an insurance company would charge you if you said you were a brothel worker.

quote:

How can we possibly win?

You can't unless you got lucky and guessed the right major / landed some amazing job. Even then, it depends heavily on where that job is located.

On a boomer-related topic (I have to see if I can find these again to share), there were a series of two op-eds in my town's paper from the same guy this year... first one bitching about changing (ethnic) demographics and young people not having enough kids, and then the same guy bitching in another one months later about how the town library should close the children's programs and stop spending money on the Teen Center and tutoring programs because now the library is full of noisy children. Libraries, of course, should be dedicated only to elderly people apparently, and gently caress him having to spend a penny of his taxes on children's books or something? Meanwhile from my perspective, it's one of the best loving libraries I've ever seen for exactly all the reasons he hates it. I go in and see study rooms full of HS students working on homework, a little computer center with kids playing minecraft, toddlers sitting for reading time with volunteer parents, etc etc.

I see that and say "gently caress yeah, this is awesome." So of course, we should burn it to the ground I guess.



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Hey guys, I agreed to a nearly undocumented Bitcoin investment scheme with my ex's psychotic brother. posted:

Back earlier in the year, my ex's brother was in and out of the psych ward. I would visit him, just to keep him company, make sure he's doing alright, regular stuff. One visit, he proposes that he would give me bitcoin (initially asked me to take 15 BTC) from his business account to invest and then give him cash once he got out. I was uncomfortable handling so much money, but I was stupid and thought that I could perhaps make something out of it, so I said that we would begin with 6 BTC. He gave me all of the information needed to withdraw the bitcoin. Fast forward to now. The bitcoin is gone. I've been doing my best to pay him back, but it spiked heavily. We agreed that 20% on top of the initial lending was fair, meaning the total amount came out to a bit over $10,000. I've been doing my best to pay him back over the past 6-7 months. I've payed back almost 2,000. One month ago, he said that any amount not paid back by the end of the year would have interest accrued to it. Now he is threatening legal action if I am unable to come up with $9,000 by the end of the year. He suggested I consult a lawyer if I'm not prepared to (I'm not. Unemployed, talking to the bank currently about a loan).

There is no official paperwork, only facebook messages. He's saying that I stole from a business account while he was in the hospital, which is untrue seeing how he asked me to do all of this and gave me all the information needed. I never coerced or asked him to do any of this. It's a very scary situation. Does he have a case? I'm currently trying to convince him how poor of an idea this is if his goal is to recoup his losses as quickly as possible.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/7dy2o2/was_lent_btc_while_it_was_low_now_being/

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016



Ex’s brother + “in and out of psych wards” + “Bitcoin :airquote:business:airquote: account” + conducting transactions solely by verbal agreements and Facebook messages + somehow losing his entire stake during the biggest Bitcoin bubble yet = :discourse:

Oh man, that’s the good stuff there.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
Don't register a rental car on the register. Then some guy you rent the car to transfers ownership of the car in his name. He uses the car as security for a $46000 loan that he, obviously, doesn't pay back. Because the car isn't on the register a judge confirms that the company that made the loan has a right to seize the car.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/na...tm_content=link

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Devian666 posted:

Don't register a rental car on the register. Then some guy you rent the car to transfers ownership of the car in his name. He uses the car as security for a $46000 loan that he, obviously, doesn't pay back. Because the car isn't on the register a judge confirms that the company that made the loan has a right to seize the car.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/na...tm_content=link

Lopez is pretty GWM it seems like.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

BWM: letting cars and not knowing about a register that's existed to secure property for 12 years.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

canyoneer posted:

If you don't have kids, who will inherit your lands and titles, avenge your death if you are slain in battle, or preserve your family's name and status by marrying up into a notable family and bearing healthy sons?

Reverse mortgage your lands and titles, there is probably a subscription based startup somewhere to crowd source vengeance for your death somewhere too

BEHOLD: MY CAPE fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Nov 20, 2017

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Nap Ghost

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

Reverse mortgage your lands and titles, there is probably a subscription based startup somewhere to crowd source vengeance for your death somewhere too

Avengr?

I’ll build the website!

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Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal

therobit posted:

As much as Millenials seem to like watching the Game of Thrones they don't seem to be very good at playing it.

GWM: Skip having kids, just adopt any cool bastards you come across in your travels

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