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Roth posted:Oh, I thought you meant NTT-era. Omen massively predates Raven. Raven is a darker, broodier version of Omen. Right down to her powers being hard to control and getting everyone into trouble, but with less demonic stuff. Her point is to rip off Jean Grey. Most of Teen Titans' history is trying to ride the coat tails of X-men's absurd popularity. Her other point is that DC wants to keep de-aging Raven, Beast Boy, and Starfire such that they were teens at the same time as Dick and now Damian, somehow, so if the original Titans aren't allowed to have Raven then Lilith is the obvious other choice.
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Android Blues posted:he just like, murders his family, makes Superman kill his own family and murders the rest of the Justice League. Where are the jokes? I took his whole killing spree as comedy. I clued in that he was tricking the batfam, but the way it cut to the splash with him whipping machine guns from out of his cape like magic got me laughing.
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Android Blues posted:Where are the jokes? He might as well have been Batman crossed with Mr. Zsasz. Zsasz is at least creepy and has the Tally Marks.
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Rhyno posted:I bet none of these Watchmen bullshit would have happened if Moore hadn't talked poo poo about Johns a few years ago. I don't know, I'm pretty sure DC would've totally made the Before Watchmen books and eventually integrated them into the mainline DCU sooner or later no matter who they had writing. Gotta beat whatever money they can still get out of that dead horse. Skwirl posted:I know none of this Watchmen bullshit would have happened if DC weren't lying cheating fucks. Now this guy's got the right of it.
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Me and D_T are going to be reading Doomsday Clock with open hearts. You can expect the only unbiased reviews from us!
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I just read multiversity and what a mind gently caress. It's a great book in the weirdest way and I really like how many it is. I also just read the second volume of new Super-man. What an ending. To loving end on that reveal. I'm pissed because I cannot justify buying the next issue right now until my new job starts on Monday and I get paid.
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Android Blues posted:Where are the jokes? He's not a comedian, he's Batman with Joker's morality.
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Finished my re-read of Watchmen, since I hadn't read that since High School. It’s still very much a top-tier comic. I think my favorite thing about it are the minor characters. The Rorshach’s psychologist that goes from an optimist that doesn’t really care about people to a pessimist that actually does, the news vendor whose constantly changing their opinions at a moment’s notice and goes the entire comic without even knowing the kid’s name that he’s been saying all this stuff to, the woman who has a bunch of internalized homophobia. And then you can find everybody’s dead body near the end after Veidt goes forward with his plan. The use of sexual violence isn’t something I feel like I can criticize. I’m not a victim of sexual violence, but Alan Moore was, so I don’t think that’s something I can really weigh in on at all. Honestly, it’s a shame this book gets misblamed so often for the Dark Age of Comics. I don’t think it deserves that rap for what worse writers and artists did later on in the 90s. All in all, really glad it was still an enjoyable read, and not something I only liked because I was an edgy teen looking for something grim and gritty.
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Roth posted:Finished my re-read of Watchmen, since I hadn't read that since High School. It’s still very much a top-tier comic. I am sorry, but wait, what? That is the first time I heard about that.
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he was forced into that polygamous sex-magic marriage. he's innocent and bigamy should be expunged from his record!
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Nov 19, 2017 08:51
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On the subject of the newspaper guy, a tiny detail that I always thought was nice is that, even though he never knew the kids name, he tried to shield him from the blast when it came to kill them both. Don't know why, but I always thought that detail was nice.
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Unlucky7 posted:I am sorry, but wait, what? I probably just mis-remembered because I just checked, and I had honestly thought that somebody here pointed out that Moore uses sexual violence in his stories a lot due to having been sexually abused as a child. But, I can't find where I read that anymore, and I'm not finding anything on google anymore.
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Even if that was true that's not a blank check to write women almost exclusively as rape victims for the course of a 40+ year career
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i just read the first four issues of the new mister miracle. i liked it quite a bit. depression's done a lot over various kinds of media, but this has done it well. orion's interrogation of scott free in the last issue managed to ape what the inner censor of a person in a major depressive episode castigating themselves sounds like (from my experience, anyway). scott free breaking down and punching orion and screaming at him repeatedly in decreasing volume until he collapsed on the floor and sobbed while barda was also so pitiable. big barda beating up lightray felt extremely good, and i find the panels of barda and scott free touching and exchanging affection to be surprisingly poignant and to feel very genuine. i am wondering, though, as i'm not a huge new gods aficionado: how far out of character is everyone acting? surely orion must be. clearly there's something weird going on with this, although it's canon in some way. i'm also wondering if there are any huge hints as to what exactly is happening that an unobservant or ignorant reader might miss.
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Roth posted:Finished my re-read of Watchmen, since I hadn't read that since High School. It’s still very much a top-tier comic. The moment where all the characters go to stop the fight between the two lesbians is a really nice moment,it's a good ending for all of them... and then they all die....but still a nice moment. edit: and the therapist goes from a guy who constantly buries his head in the sand and puts a happy spin on all things to being despairing and seeing things for how they really are,that scene at the dinner table always sticks with me and then at the end he berates his arsehole wife and actually goes to stop the two women fighting,love that bit. all because of rorscharch lol. Brazilianpeanutwar fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Speaking of Doomsday Clock https://twitter.com/DCComics/status/932273532205182976
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Sinners Sandwich posted:I feel like there was a character that was relaunched as a platform for millennial angst and it failed, I forgot who, any ideas? It's not Batgirl of Burnside, atleast I'm pretty sure Maybe you're thinking of that period right at the start of the nu52 where Gail Simone was writing Batgirl? It wasn't angsty to me but it did dedicate some time to Barbara's PTSD from from getting shot by the Joker.
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purple death ray posted:Even if that was true that's not a blank check to write women almost exclusively as rape victims for the course of a 40+ year career Nah, of course not. It's just the kind of criticism I wouldn't really go for without checking with other victims of sexual violence first.
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Roth posted:I probably just mis-remembered because I just checked, and I had honestly thought that somebody here pointed out that Moore uses sexual violence in his stories a lot due to having been sexually abused as a child. "While I myself only suffered an attempted abduction at the age of six or so and the minor molestations of a paedophile head of first years at the age of eleven along with almost everyone else in my year, I have known a distressing number of women, including women who are or have been close to me, who have been raped, sexually assaulted or otherwise threatened with sexual violence." Source
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nofather posted:He's not a comedian, he's Batman with Joker's morality. Isn't that a Mark loving Millar comic that involves a booby-trapped womb at some point?
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Skwirl posted:Isn't that a Mark loving Millar comic that involves a booby-trapped womb at some point? That would be Nemesis,and the bad guy made the brother child gently caress his sister and booby-trapped her womb to implode if they tried to terminate. I swear to god im not making that up
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:That would be Nemesis,and the bad guy made the brother child gently caress his sister and booby-trapped her womb to implode if they tried to terminate. It wasn’t quite that bad. He just artificially inseminated the sister with her brother’s sperm.
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Skwirl posted:Isn't that a Mark loving Millar comic that involves a booby-trapped womb at some point? I think that was an organization. Memory might be failing but Nemesis was a sort of thrill-ride rich people could pay to be, but other people set it up. Like the Make a Wish Foundation but for rich assholes.
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Barry Convex posted:It wasn’t quite that bad. He just artificially inseminated the sister with her brother’s sperm. gently caress Millar where the above sentence can be used to say "it wasn't quite that bad"
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In case any of you can't wait until wednesday here's a pretty spoilerific review of Doomsday Clock #1.
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Embargo's up for non-spoilery reviews right now anyway. Going by this http://au.ign.com/articles/2017/11/20/doomsday-clock-1-review they basically can't say anything about the plot, so hopefully, if you care, you probably won't have to hide away from mainstream press till wednesday. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Nov 20, 2017 |
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Prediction: The climax for Doomsday Clock will involve the Anti-Monitor
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Ozy discovers the DC offices in 'the real world' and gets them to create his new nightmare creature to kill Superman. You can guess who that invites into the story 
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Teenage Fansub posted:Ozy discovers the DC offices in 'the real world' and gets them to create his new nightmare creature to kill Superman. You can guess who that invites into the story Eddie Berganza?
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Teenage Fansub posted:Ozy discovers the DC offices in 'the real world' and gets them to create his new nightmare creature to kill Superman. You can guess who that invites into the story A 70ft tall psychic Alan moore kills supes in the streets of metropolis
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You know it's not out of the realms of possibility to kill Alan Moore on panel as a cute little easter egg
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Did Action Comics get better after those first two arcs? The premises for the later arcs sound interesting, but if the execution is still bad I don't to bother.
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Superboy-Prime, ya dummies.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Superboy-Prime, ya dummies. Don't care how petulant it seemed superboy prime spending his days on earth trolling dc forums was great
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Feb solicits https://www.newsarama.com/37433-dc-comics-february-2018-solicitations.html Poison Ivy arc begins in Batman #41 Mister Miracle #1 Director's Cut with an exclusive short story Green Lanterns gains Omega Men's artist Blue Beetle ends Tomasi's off of Superman again New Super-Man is now called 'NEW SUPER-MAN AND THE JUSTICE LEAGUE OF CHINA' and speaking of... Deathstroke gets this neat-o Ryan Sook cover 
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Teenage Fansub posted:Superboy-Prime, ya dummies.  This would be the best. He has taken over DC and editorially mandated horrible poo poo. Roth posted:Did Action Comics get better after those first two arcs? The premises for the later arcs sound interesting, but if the execution is still bad I don't to bother. There is an upcoming arc starring Booster Gold and Superman. That should be good since it looks like time cop Booster Gold and that was the last character Jurgens wrote well. Mr Hootington fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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I'm giddy at this solicitquote:RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #19 
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So I love Tom King's Mister Miracle and I like the character in general, but I have a question about him, when did he learn that the Highfather was his dad? In New 52 the pact was made when he was a child, but in the original continuity he was only a baby, and in King's run he even says he doesn't know his real name. Did anyone show him learning who is father was, or he just knew off-panel?
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Teenage Fansub posted:Poison Ivy arc begins in Batman #41 quote:Blue Beetle ends quote:Tomasi's off of Superman again quote:New Super-Man is now called 'NEW SUPER-MAN AND THE JUSTICE LEAGUE OF CHINA' Also a Mother Panic/Batman crossover.  Love the cover. Mother Panic's good but it really has an overinflated view of how unique it is. And Talia's back in Super Sons. And Michael Cray goes after Arthur Curry! He really is killing the Justice League.
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