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Parkingtigers posted:I think they specifically chose to reference 9/11 instead of "The Incident" this time around, because you cannot have a gun control discussion in a post-Battle of New York MCU. All the sensible, grounded reasons for not having guns that all civilised western nations have adopted would fall apart once you play the "yes but I need guns in case a hole opens in the sky and aliens invade". In fact I'd expect to see pro-gun movements springing up in places like UK and Australia which previously disarmed their society purely because alien invasions are very much a thing now. It wouldn't have done the narrative of this show any good to draw attention away from the type of story it was trying to tell. It's basically Super Jarhead in PTSD: The Flashbackening. It has nothing to do with the Marvel movie brand of one comic farce after another.
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Galvanik posted:I lapsed my netflix account and am probably going to resub for a month to watch this. How good is it? How does it stack up to the others? it's a fair bit better than jj, which is slightly better or as good as daredevil 1, which is better than daredevil 2(taken as a whole) which is as good as luke cage.
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Galvanik posted:I lapsed my netflix account and am probably going to resub for a month to watch this. How good is it? How does it stack up to the others? As I see it, the consensus seems to be it is one of the better ones. In fact, IIRC, the only things that seem to be considered as better are JJ and DD1. EDIT: Yeah, what they said basically. ^^
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One of the things in this that makes me laugh a bit is the Marvel writers thinking that anybody would give a flying gently caress about the Phoenix Program Mk2 happening in Afghanistan, much less claim that its exposure would set back foreign relations by 10 years. Nobody cares that we're watching genocide happen in Yemen right now as it is in the real world, why anybody would care in a Marvel universe in which the international coalition for protecting the planet was run by literal Nazis and said planet had already been invaded by aliens is beyond me.
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Just finished up the series and really enjoyed it, not quite as good as the highs of Jessica Jones but it was probably the best paced of all the Netflix Marvel shows so far and the story didn't end up feeling stretched out like others did. I did feel it lacked a particularly strong antagonist, in that the top bad guy didn't particularly have any depth and Billy Russo had most of the nuance removed from them after he's revealed to be the bad guy, which I'm sure everybody guessed immediately, and then he reveals himself to Frank and Madani in such a clunky, obvious and out-of-character way. The way the show dealt with/explored issues of PTSD, the abandonment or neglect of veterans and the daily struggle of dealing with the emotional and psychological scars it leaves behind was unexpected but extremely welcome, and I was so glad the show went out of its way to acknowledge that Frank is an extremely broken and hosed up person. It sure was nice to watch a Netflix Marvel show again that didn't fall apart halfway through or just never take off the ground at all (I was so enthusiastic about Defenders too  )
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4 episodes in and it's pretty loving good. I can't wrap my head around the opinions of people saying "not violent enough/too much talking" because Jesus Christ.
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BiggerBoat posted:4 episodes in and it's pretty loving good. I can't wrap my head around the opinions of people saying "not violent enough/too much talking" because Jesus Christ. I guess people didn't watch the second trailer and assumed the show would be like Rex "Power" Colt screaming while firing a minigun plus barrels of blood being everywhere.
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DrNutt posted:I think that as long as they don't have (comics spoiler) Frank kill Micro for a technicality or something like the stupid loving first Ennis MAX run, the show is probably in good hands. God that was stupid and turned me completely off MAX Punisher for being stupid edgy-mcedgelord garbage. He kills Micro for doing the same thing Clancy Brown and his soldiers were doing. Bringing drugs into the country
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I thought the burn was too slow and accused the show of being boring. Episodes 8-13 are not boring, holy loving hell. E: I don't find are troops stuff very interesting and expected more of a criminal antagonist so thats just my subjective viewing obviously. The Punisher payoff is really loving good. JBP fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Nov 20, 2017 |
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Galvanik posted:I lapsed my netflix account and am probably going to resub for a month to watch this. How good is it? How does it stack up to the others?
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That ending could not have been more perfect. I know they won't, but they should just end it there any not make another series.
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Nov 20, 2017 16:28
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Take a shot every time Frank says "Attaboy" or "Attagirl".
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Castor Poe posted:Take a shot every time Frank doesn't say Easy.
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Drinking games for people who don't want to drink.
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Not sure why the thread title isn't Netflix Marvel: "Hey, Hipster!"
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I am only on episode 9 of Punisher but so far it feels like every Marvel Netflix property, in that it could be half as long and not much overall would be lost. Frank blames himself for his family's deaths, we get it.
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Nov 20, 2017 21:05
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Party Plane Jones posted:One of the things in this that makes me laugh a bit is the Marvel writers thinking that anybody would give a flying gently caress about the Phoenix Program Mk2 happening in Afghanistan, much less claim that its exposure would set back foreign relations by 10 years. Nobody cares that we're watching genocide happen in Yemen right now as it is in the real world, why anybody would care in a Marvel universe in which the international coalition for protecting the planet was run by literal Nazis and said planet had already been invaded by aliens is beyond me. I agree but I think people would have a problem with the funding source being heroin smuggling via the bodies of dead service men and women, number 1, and torture as a much smaller number 2.
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Nov 20, 2017 21:17
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I want to see Frank take on Jason Voorhees. Or the predator. This guy is an absolute monster. He'd be a great drinking buddy with Rocket too.
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dont even fink about it posted:I am only on episode 9 of Punisher but so far it feels like every Marvel Netflix property, in that it could be half as long and not much overall would be lost. Frank blames himself for his family's deaths, we get it. I think it's funny, there's these shows with 22/23 eps, and one thinks "Man, I could do without some of these monster/villain of the week" eps, and then I watch some of these Netflix shows with 13 eps, and think "Man, I wish there was an occasional monster/villain of the week" ep
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dont even fink about it posted:I am only on episode 9 of Punisher but so far it feels like every Marvel Netflix property, in that it could be half as long and not much overall would be lost. Frank blames himself for his family's deaths, we get it. Pretty sure the whole show is about Frank viciously killing the people he blames for his family's death.
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Nov 20, 2017 21:27
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Gyges posted:Pretty sure the whole show is about Frank viciously killing the people he blames for his family's death. Season 1 of The Punisher clearly disagrees with you, but that's not really the point. I guess the real problem is that the storytelling is not that clever, making a 13-episode show that slow-burns really obvious plot beats that are never twisted on. Like if you didn't figure out that Billy Russo was a bad guy like 3-4 episodes before the show gets around to just saying it, I'm sure it's gripping. Meanwhile we also spend a lot of time wondering if Madani will ever catch up to the plot, or if Micro will stop staring longingly at his wife.
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dont even fink about it posted:Season 1 of The Punisher clearly disagrees with you, but that's not really the point. I guess the real problem is that the storytelling is not that clever, making a 13-episode show that slow-burns really obvious plot beats that are never twisted on. Like if you didn't figure out that Billy Russo was a bad guy like 3-4 episodes before the show gets around to just saying it, I'm sure it's gripping. Meanwhile we also spend a lot of time wondering if Madani will ever catch up to the plot, or if Micro will stop staring longingly at his wife. It's interesting that you think plots need to twist to be satisfying. Not very interesting, but a little.
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It’s me, I’m the goon that didnt realize Billy was in on it until maybe 5 minutes before the reveal. It was totally gripping and I felt hurt as a viewer and hurt on Frank’s behalf
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Yeah, I knew going in that he was a bad guy, but I felt that they did a good job hiding that aspect of it until the reveal.
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homullus posted:It's interesting that you think plots need to twist to be satisfying. Not very interesting, but a little. I just feel like if they're going to make it incredibly obvious they could at least play with my expectations a little. Bust Rodd posted:It’s me, I’m the goon that didnt realize Billy was in on it until maybe 5 minutes before the reveal. It was totally gripping and I felt hurt as a viewer and hurt on Frank’s behalf I pretty much knew as soon as it was revealed that he runs a Blackwater stand-in. And they got an actor whose only other major part is also being a huge jerk. HOWEVER, worth noting I have four episodes left to do, so the jury's still out.
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dont even fink about it posted:I just feel like if they're going to make it incredibly obvious they could at least play with my expectations a little. Prince Caspian is a huge jerk? j/k I've seen Westworld too
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CottonWolf posted:That ending could not have been more perfect. I know they won't, but they should just end it there any not make another series. Yeah, I know it's unlikely but if the character in the Netflix universe was to end the way it did in the final scene of the final episode I'd actually be really happy.
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He's such an obvious potential dickhead that I discounted him from being involved at the start. As soon as it was revealed it was like, well yeah from a pure narrative sense, you needed someone he used to be close to to be the villain. Also someone who is actually an able soldier and not just a leader/manipulator type villain like Rawlins. Wonder if they regretted killing off Clancy Browns character so quickly in Daredevil, great actor and he could have been a bit more interesting with a bit more time in Punisher.
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thebardyspoon posted:He's such an obvious potential dickhead that I discounted him from being involved at the start. As soon as it was revealed it was like, well yeah from a pure narrative sense, you needed someone he used to be close to to be the villain. Also someone who is actually an able soldier and not just a leader/manipulator type villain like Rawlins. Wonder if they regretted killing off Clancy Browns character so quickly in Daredevil, great actor and he could have been a bit more interesting with a bit more time in Punisher. Oh THAT'S why we haven't heard from Clancy Brown again in this show. Yeah I did divert a little bit and start watching the first four episodes of DD2 as recommended, but haven't gotten there yet.
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Ah sorry man, figured anyone reading that spoiler would have already watched Daredevil.
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thebardyspoon posted:Ah sorry man, figured anyone reading that spoiler would have already watched Daredevil. Nah it's good, I didn't care. Also I think I've watched those clips on YouTube before and forgotten them.
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Davros1 posted:I think it's funny, there's these shows with 22/23 eps, and one thinks "Man, I could do without some of these monster/villain of the week" eps, and then I watch some of these Netflix shows with 13 eps, and think "Man, I wish there was an occasional monster/villain of the week" ep Evil humanity IS the occasional monster/villain of the week to Frank.
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dont even fink about it posted:Season 1 of The Punisher clearly disagrees with you, but that's not really the point. Oh, so he doesn't really blame the cartel, tertiary players, linked lawyers, ex-squad mates, and the police who helped cover it up? Guess ol' Frank just kills people at random and isn't a murderous revenant bound by pain and rage. quote:I guess the real problem is that the storytelling is not that clever, making a 13-episode show that slow-burns really obvious plot beats that are never twisted on. Like if you didn't figure out that Billy Russo was a bad guy like 3-4 episodes before the show gets around to just saying it, I'm sure it's gripping. Meanwhile we also spend a lot of time wondering if Madani will ever catch up to the plot, or if Micro will stop staring longingly at his wife. It's not a mystery or suspense series, it's a neo-western. Instead of a harmonica, Frank has a guitar and instead of forcing the town to paint all the buildings red he does it himself. Teek posted:Yeah, I knew going in that he was a bad guy, but I felt that they did a good job hiding that aspect of it until the reveal. They actually did a pretty good job of both being obvious about it and throwing out enough misdirects that it's a little surprising when the truth is revealed. It helps that Curtis is about the only guy in the whole series who is totally a good guy, so we're willing to buy that another guy as hosed up as Frank might also be "good".
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Gyges posted:Oh, so he doesn't really blame the cartel, tertiary players, linked lawyers, ex-squad mates, and the police who helped cover it up? Guess ol' Frank just kills people at random and isn't a murderous revenant bound by pain and rage. Actually what I mean is Frank spends most of the season so far in a cramped room talking his problems out with a homeless hacker, and we start to divide between that homeless hacker, Madani (who looks increasingly incompetent and pointless), and strangely enough a right-wing extremist with no direct threads to the main plot. To me it comes off as bloated. Maybe it's just over-familiarity with the concept in general, but Madani figuring out that the Punisher is actually the good guy (!!!) holds no suspense for me. quote:It's not a mystery or suspense series, it's a neo-western. Instead of a harmonica, Frank has a guitar and instead of forcing the town to paint all the buildings red he does it himself. I guess they took the wrong lesson from '60's westerns--the movie doesn't have to be 13 hours long.
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