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So what if they're spending it on alcohol or drugs? What the hell were you going to spend it on?
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Nov 22, 2017 04:23
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More, better drugs owing to the additional purchase power that comes with buying bulk.
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Nov 22, 2017 04:26
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An investment property
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Nov 22, 2017 04:29
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Avocados. Not to eat though, i just want the pits to throw at poor people.
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Nov 22, 2017 04:29
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Milk.
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Nov 22, 2017 04:30
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Ghostlight posted:An investment property What? You can get one of these for free just sleep on that street with the really nice rangitoto view.
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Nov 22, 2017 04:33
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Has anyone linked this searing hot take yet: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/11/08/how-the-far-right-is-poisoning-new-zealand/?utm_term=.82ed73173245 e: for maximum hilarity, the dude who wrote this is pushing some kind of Russian conspiracy over Winnie meeting several times with the Russian ambassador El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 04:53
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https://twitter.com/samfromwgtn/status/933079951078596608 good one dude
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Nov 22, 2017 04:55
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Lady at work had a decent notion that the last year of university be free instead of the first, although I did point out that that would imply a diminishing incentive as you went along Dip-Deg-Mas-PHD. And that that effectively meant certs were free.
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Nov 22, 2017 05:06
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WarpedNaba posted:Lady at work had a decent notion that the last year of university be free instead of the first, although I did point out that that would imply a diminishing incentive as you went along Dip-Deg-Mas-PHD. And that that effectively meant certs were free. undergrad is already treated differently to postgrad so I don't see how that would make too much difference. Seems like a decent incentive imo, if it was last year of undergrad do people still use those terms, I don't know
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Nov 22, 2017 05:11
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Certs SHOULD be free, they're an awesome way for people to upskill whilst having something to put on their CV, especially in the fields where everyone is perceived as a dumbass and literally any tertiary qualification gives you a leg up.
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Nov 22, 2017 05:46
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A heart for the right, a head for the left.
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Nov 22, 2017 05:47
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BloodRed posted:What is more effective is systemic changes that put people in homes whether they like it or not; The choice we are all talking about is between an individual giving to charities or giving directly to the homeless, not between the state or individuals giving directly to the homeless Vs the state doing everything else.
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Nov 22, 2017 06:04
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WarpedNaba posted:Lady at work had a decent notion that the last year of university be free instead of the first, although I did point out that that would imply a diminishing incentive as you went along Dip-Deg-Mas-PHD. And that that effectively meant certs were free. This argument always gets brought up constantly in comments on articles/fb and it ignores that the aim is to have the entirety of it be free. But the rationale for starting with the first year (as I understand it) is that the incentive should be for people to try to upskill/train/retrain in the first place, and to prevent people heading down the NEET track because they're worried about being saddled with a big loan if they drop out.
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Nov 22, 2017 06:14
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Time for our annual reminder that Tony Veitch is a piece of poo poo. But somehow he keeps getting public facing work.
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Nov 22, 2017 06:19
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Varkk posted:Time for our annual reminder that Tony Veitch is a piece of poo poo. But somehow he keeps getting public facing work. Sky TV are desperately trying to backpedal after copping it from all sides. https://twitter.com/SKYNZ/status/933169920774258688
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Nov 22, 2017 06:34
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Vagabundo posted:Sky TV are desperately trying to backpedal after copping it from all sides. I can't believe someone literally gets paid to write these garbage patronizing tweets.
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Nov 22, 2017 08:05
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Also gently caress the internet for making me use the word "tweet" seriously in a sentence not about birds.
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Nov 22, 2017 08:07
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Welcome to 2007
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Nov 22, 2017 08:13
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Wandle Cax posted:Welcome to 2007 2007 was a good year though.
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Nov 22, 2017 09:09
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lol guys can you believe this new thing called Twitter and they actually call them "tweets"?!?! How ridiculous, it'll never catch on
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Nov 22, 2017 09:30
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Ten years later and it's now a platform for the most powerful man in the world to fling his lovely opinions at poor people. So basically it ended up like every other form of media and nothing really changed.
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Nov 22, 2017 10:19
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Luckily Trump is not the only person to use twitter. if you actually used it you would see a wide range of opinions, some even good, being expressed. Many of them terrible but it's far from just a trump vehicle. In fact it's mostly the mainstream media reporting his tweets that gets them, and other bad tweets attention
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Nov 22, 2017 10:27
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Inescapable Duck posted:So what if they're spending it on alcohol or drugs? What the hell were you going to spend it on? idk. I work on the front lines with drug dependent individuals. its not cool or fun. regardless.. it burns me out. watching people just do gently caress all with their existence, use the system to the extremes.. and .. I just don't know what to think. perhaps I just don't see some kind of sancitity of human life and think every human life is worth doing everything for. how much do we drag all of society down for the existence of a few? like antibiotic resistance. we need to accept that we might need to lose some people to death and not treat them to save antibiotics for people whose lives it might really turn around not everyone will agree with that concept. some might think it's worthwhile burning up all our antibiotic ability on each and every case they might be helpful. but this bodes poorly for the future. which side of this fence do you sit on? are some human lives worth it for the future masses?
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Nov 22, 2017 11:05
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I don't believe that shaving fractions of pennies off people's paycheques for social spending to address those needs drags society down more than having drug dependent individuals unable to find help, shelter, or any kind of lever with which to pry back their lives from addiction. Rather, I have the idealistic belief that drug dependency could be addressed better not by restricting access to the ambulances at the bottom of the cliff only for those subjectively deemed worth something with the excuse of fiscal responsibility, but rather by improving everyone's lives to the degree that people feel they are worth enough not to step off the cliff. This has nothing to do with the sanctity of human life but, to extend your analogy, the best cure is prevention.
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Nov 22, 2017 11:38
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echinopsis posted:idk. I work on the front lines with drug dependent individuals. its not cool or fun. regardless.. Don't let your overexposure to these people taint your view of all beneficiaries. NZ for sure has a drug problem but it's costs aren't "dragging all of society down". And I say this as someone who knows that 3 of my 7 cousins spend the bulk of their dole cheque each week on meth and cigarettes (and another one whose partner spends it on booze and weed). The answer certainly isn't to say "gently caress these people for not making use of the support they're given".
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Nov 22, 2017 11:46
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echinopsis posted:like antibiotic resistance. we need to accept that we might need to lose some people to death and not treat them to save antibiotics for people whose lives it might really turn around You have this is totally backwards. We are facing an antibiotic crisis because of a number of factors the primary two being unnecessary over-prescription of first line antibiotics, often for things that are not even antibiotic treatable (nobody is going to die from cutting this out) as well as people not complying with proper treatment courses and the other being the vast usage of antibiotics in the meat industry so they can keep their animals in inhumane and unsanitary conditions.
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Nov 22, 2017 15:38
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bike tory posted:But the rationale for starting with the first year (as I understand it) is that the incentive should be for people to try to upskill/train/retrain in the first place, and to prevent people heading down the NEET track because they're worried about being saddled with a big loan if they drop out. As I understand it, the proposed system is a write-off after completion of the course, and you have to pass more than half the points in a given year to be eligible, so it's entirely possible to have to front the cost if you drop out. It's still a good system, and I say this as someone who everyone would (seemingly, based on Facebook) expect to be salty about it since I went bachelors-masters-PhD with full cost apart from a PhD scholarship, and now live overseas with a near six-figure loan balance.
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Nov 22, 2017 16:32
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He/she isn't talking about antibiotics, its about abandoning people. The medical field or any toxic environment 110% saps you since you are always seeing people at their worse and empathy is a renewing but limited resource. If you have ever went "gently caress it I am done with these people and their dumb poo poo, I am not going to help them anymore" you have run out of empathy. You lost faith in those people whether it is a large group or a single person. I am feeling that right now. I am done playing fire fighter with people playing with matches all the time. I am done taking responsibility because a decision needed to be made only to get purposefully cut down for it right or wrong. I am done with the power plays, getting stabbed in the back and politics. I am done with the disgusting opinions and the absurd sense of entitlement. I am done getting yelled at for offering a solution to a problem and tone policed because I dare to sometimes say thank you after something has been done or acknowledged or not appending please to literally anything I ask like some beggar. I am done jumping front of the bullet for other peoples mistakes because I cared about that person. I am done being marginalised and disrespected for the work I have done for years, experience accumulated and was promoted for as a reward for. I am done having to repeat myself and chase people for information or actions both tiny and large. I am done having to be the person who has to say no because the idea is dumb, has been done and doesn't work or needs more thought or the question as to you should isn't asked. I am done with you sucking the joy and love I had doing for everyone's benefit. I am done putting on a smile. I am tired, I am done being a good person. I only hope I have not hurt the people I still care about. gently caress it I am out. That is the depth of despair you can feel when you run out especially if you really cared. It is not pleasant and you will feel bad for having to save yourself. You are abandoning people. It's poo poo and it can produce absolutely terrible view points which you know other people will lambaste you for. You are better off dropping the mic and just watch it burn or numb yourself silly. Maybe in time you can come back. Until then, be that lovely selfish person, cry, yell, write a wall of text on a dead gay forum, whatever because you need to get it out of you so maybe you can get better and regain your faith in that part of humanity.
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oohhboy posted:Words I've been like this for my whole adult life and I've got nothing to do with medicine, people are actually just pieces of poo poo for real and it's just a matter of tricking your brain otherwise. Like a neurological boy who cried wolf!
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Nov 22, 2017 19:06
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People are loving terrible, and we should still do everything we can to help those in need. This is the same hot take as "we should use prisons to rehabilitate people, instead of as purely punitive" Like, caring about your fellow human (as useless and horrible as they may or may not be) is at least 45% for you, not them. Unironically in my eyes the person with means who refuses to help those in need is a much worse person that the one who uses their state-supplied benefits to get drunk and/or high. I guess what I'm saying is: eat the rich? SuperiorColliculus fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Nov 22, 2017 19:15
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It's interesting, I can't decide if it's a side effect of getting old and aware or of it's a sign of the times but every conversation I have with friends IRL about this kind of stuff pretty much always boils down to eat the rich even if we disagree about the details. Like literally everyone besides the truly deluded wants to bring down the wealthy.
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Nov 22, 2017 19:22
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at what salary band do the executions begin?
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Nov 22, 2017 20:17
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BloodRed posted:at what salary band do the executions begin? i think it depends on whether you're a renter, homeowner or a stupid peace of poo poo
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Nov 22, 2017 20:21
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BloodRed posted:at what salary band do the executions begin? The rich who own you don't have anything as plebian as a salary dude.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:53
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BloodRed posted:at what salary band do the executions begin? Executions are not for wage-slave salarymen unless they are collaborators.
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Nov 22, 2017 20:55
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BloodRed posted:at what salary band do the executions begin? This might be too nuanced for you, but I don't mean literally eat the rich. Also true re: salaries.
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Nov 22, 2017 21:02
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shoot then mulch the rich, and give the gore to the poor people as fertilizer because we know noone in a position to effect change will want to do anything beyond suggest poors grow a vegetable garden in their statehouse once a new batch of bourgeois overlords inherits the assets of the dead
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Nov 22, 2017 21:14
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You're an optimist if you think people will be encouraged to grow vegetable gardens at their state home over people being evicted after the neighbours reported them to council due to believing that the house looking like it was owned by a poor was affecting their property values.
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Nov 22, 2017 21:23
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not to mention that social housing (not to mention flatting) can be unstable and any investment they make into planning, planting and maintaining a garden, assuming they have the time skill and knowledge to do so, will amount to sweet gently caress all when they have to move out because their ma died and it's a 3 bedroom house they don't deserve any more but thats cool, we should deffo keep telling them to starve for several months, their tomato crop will be coming in any day
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