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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:here's a panel from the NPI conference. RIP your recommendations: spencer's wet dream is somebody trying to assassinate him.
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about their various adventures. it's kind of interesting in that spencer loves the opposition to him (attention) and it definitely comes across as him chasing an adrenaline rush. 'and then i had police escort me into the building! that never happened before! wow!' that kind of thing.
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BONGHITZ posted:why do all the men take videos of themselves exercising? they talk so much about so-called "virtue signalling" on the left because they are projecting. This is an example of them "virtue signalling" aka performative masculinity.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:lmao jesus how broke brained do you have to be to side with loving telecom companies, the people that invented hidden fees? Anglo depravity knows no bounds.
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whole lotta cis folx in this thread trying to tell me what i have to accept like they have some kind of moral authority. my life is already unsafe. please don't act like it's unreasonable of me to distrust tactics that have the potential to make things way worse. i hear what you're saying. but you clearly don't understand where i'm coming from and knee-jerk dismissal of anyone who doesn't agree that all tactics are acceptable against nazis fuckin sucks. edit: to clarify, i'm not saying that outing a trans nazi or a gay homophobe is necessarily wrong, but it's not necessarily right either. poo poo's complicated and pretending it's actually simple isn't helpful ijzer has issued a correction as of 15:09 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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ijzer posted:whole lotta cis folx in this thread trying to tell me what i have to accept like they have some kind of moral authority. my life is already unsafe. please don't act like it's unreasonable of me to distrust tactics that have the potential to make things way worse.
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ijzer posted:whole lotta cis folx in this thread trying to tell me what i have to accept like they have some kind of moral authority. my life is already unsafe. please don't act like it's unreasonable of me to distrust tactics that have the potential to make things way worse. Fascists are fair game for tactics that I wouldn't use anywhere else. And you could say, "poo poo man, that's one hell of a slippery slope" but I would counter by saying that we have Nazis marching through our streets and the president is an open racist. The slope already done slipped.
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it's cool that we can replace "punch" with "out" and "Richard Spencer" with "styx" and re-tread the same arguments that gave D&D conniptions last year Styx getting outed, or having been outed, or whatever, is not going to give some bigot permission to out people. It's not going to set Nazis on some eye-for-an-eye track. They're already trying to out people anyway. The bottom of the slippery slope we're hand-wringing about is already happening.
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ijzer posted:whole lotta cis folx in this thread trying to tell me what i have to accept like they have some kind of moral authority. my life is already unsafe. please don't act like it's unreasonable of me to distrust tactics that have the potential to make things way worse. Kinda ironic you're using the whole "you don't understand where I'm coming from" line in a thread where people are violently against nazism
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getting some wider press that jack follows cernovich https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/933347285043482625
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you shouldnt out anyone, thats somewhat rude. i dont care who ya gently caress or the mechanism via which said loving is accomplished. but nazis should be punched, as the prophecy says and i believe that is a non-gendered issue. well cept in like france or some country with gendered words.
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cernovich tried to start a witchhunt around vic berger being a pedophile based on nothing and get his child taken away, because vic made goofy videos about him and calls him weird mike
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ijzer posted:whole lotta cis folx in this thread trying to tell me what i have to accept like they have some kind of moral authority. my life is already unsafe. please don't act like it's unreasonable of me to distrust tactics that have the potential to make things way worse. cis folk aren't the only people making that argument though. I am trans and I have been pretty consistent in my "this is a fight to the death against opponents who are serious about their intentions no matter how incompetent they are" for quite some time now. I also have a pretty fair amount of insight both into the kinds of assholes who make up the Alt-Reich as well as the sociopaths who are manipulating them for their own ends. There is no morality to be had in this fight anymore. That is the simple truth of a fight to the death against Nazi's. Its a contest of intent and competence now- morality and ideals are gonna have to sit this one out.
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Do you think that nazi would hand-wring about doing literally anything at all to you? And you’re worried about a slippery slope? With nazis it’s kill or be killed.
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Yeah, but what about me? The circular firing squad of politics continues
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business hammocks posted:Do you think that nazi would hand-wring about doing literally anything at all to you? And you’re worried about a slippery slope? With nazis it’s kill or be killed. SOY BOYS  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3-cHMo1W8A
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It sucks that this Styx person is hanging out with fascists despite being some sort of crossdresser or transsexual, but ultimately it's their responsibility to realize that they are aiding and supporting people who will kill them once a fascist state is implemented, and whatever ill comes to them (most likel just getting yelled at and made fun of by other fascists) because of this is on them. And ultimately outting fascists causes their movement to fracture and weaken, so why not do it?
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double standards.
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the golden rule doesn't work when you're dealing with nazis
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you cant yell about the disrespect of outing anyone and still do it. you can and still should punch unrepentant nazis of any gender, or gender identifier, because it doesnt make a lick of difference.
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What's with the title change? The video it links to is offline.Prester Jane posted:cis folk aren't the only people making that argument though. I am trans and I have been pretty consistent in my "this is a fight to the death against opponents who are serious about their intentions no matter how incompetent they are" for quite some time now. I also have a pretty fair amount of insight both into the kinds of assholes who make up the Alt-Reich as well as the sociopaths who are manipulating them for their own ends. Claiming the fight against nazism somehow approves special measures and throws morality out the window is reprehensible, sorry. I'm a big fan of your project, but I'm not going to normalize trans/homophobic harassment because the fight against fascism somehow requires it( it doesn't).
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Tias posted:What's with the title change? The video it links to is offline. Who’s advocating transphobic harassment? This nazi’s buddies are the ones who are going after them.
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See my post about prefigurative tactics above. The end of a struggle will always be characterized by the means used during said struggle - so, accepting outing others to be harassed for it will remain after the nazis are gone, and that's not a net gain for society.
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im going to write that one off as a moral flexibility, the one thing i learned when you start justifying your own behavior with reasoning or whatever is that you start warping your own narrative. i dont want to do that over outing some stupid nazi who just as fine should just be punched with the rest of em. using the tools of the enemy is completely one thing but adopting the methodology is a complete different thing.
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i'll make a unique exception for violently assaulting nazis but lord in heaven don't out them, that's crossing the line
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i think its pretty easy to say that its good when bad things happen to bad people and bad when those bad things happen to good people
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punching people is also generally a bad thing, yet it's not hypocrisy to punch nazis. why should this be any different?
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Uranium 235 posted:i'll make a unique exception for punching nazis but lord in heaven don't out them, that's crossing the line so your suggestion is basically all rules are off for nazis then. friend, i try to stay in the punch once on tv or if they are actively hurting people territory. i might be a bit too weaksauce for you and your murderbrigades.
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nobody on this site is outing Styx, spreading the pictures around, advocating a campaign of harassment or any combination of the above. they are merely commenting that transphobia is rife among the alt right and any trans person associating with the alt right is putting themself in danger and should think long and hard about their associations.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:nobody on this site is outing Styx, spreading the pictures around, advocating a campaign of harassment or any combination of the above. they are merely commenting that transphobia is rife among the alt right and any trans person associating with the alt right is putting themself in danger and should think long and hard about their associations. no, actually several posters are straight up suggesting outing is a valid strategy, which is what I was adressing
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the few rl gay friends i have are pretty much in agreement that the only ethical outing is when you out people that want to do harm to the gay community because gently caress those people though according to fox news nazis were all gay and hitler was like a ssj gay  :e harassing them for being gay is wrong though since there is nothing wrong with that Gringostar has issued a correction as of 18:20 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:nobody on this site is outing Styx, spreading the pictures around, advocating a campaign of harassment or any combination of the above. they are merely commenting that transphobia is rife among the alt right and any trans person associating with the alt right is putting themself in danger and should think long and hard about their associations.
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i was the guy who'd tell my lefty friends years ago when we were drinking that gay nazis are a thing and they thought it was hilarious and i became known as the guy who talked a lot about gay nazis then gay nazis started coming out of the woodwork and i loving warned them!!!
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Gringostar posted:the few rl gay friends i have are pretty much in agreement that the only ethical outing is when you out people that want to do harm to the gay community because gently caress those people outing ted haggard was an undeniably good thing
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Listen man, I'm all for decapitating nazis with chainsaws, but OUTING THEM? Pretty hosed up if you ask me!
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if we don't condemn the outing of nazis in unison then how will we stop nazis from outing LGBT people
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