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Why doesn't South Africa want to intervene in Zimbabwe? Too many problems at home? And why is Jacob Zuma still there?
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Nov 15, 2017 19:55
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Grouchio posted:Why doesn't South Africa want to intervene in Zimbabwe?
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Nov 15, 2017 20:14
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Grouchio posted:And why is Jacob Zuma still there? Why is Trump still president?
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Nov 15, 2017 21:38
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kustomkarkommando posted:Why is Trump still president?
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Nov 15, 2017 23:48
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Grouchio posted:Why doesn't South Africa want to intervene in Zimbabwe? Too many problems at home? And why is Jacob Zuma still there? Did you honestly expect a bunch of corruption trials, rape allegations and a state capture report to do anything to Zuma? Hell the Republicans in the USA can take a few ideas from the ANC.
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Nov 16, 2017 00:04
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Madkal posted:Did you honestly expect a bunch of corruption trials, rape allegations and a state capture report to do anything to Zuma? Hell the Republicans in the USA can take a few ideas from the ANC. Santorum tried that already. 
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Nov 16, 2017 00:57
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Grouchio posted:Why doesn't South Africa want to intervene in Zimbabwe? Ugh. I'm replying to Grouchio. Zanu-PF sheltered a lot of ANC members in exile during the 80s, and that wing (which includes Zuma) feel indebted to them. Given that it's the veterans wing of Zanu-PF revolting against a likely demented Mugabe, it's not really like Zuma has a dog in the fight. Also this Rent-A-Cop posted:Why would anyone want to put their dick in that particular mouse trap?
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Nov 16, 2017 01:24
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Madkal posted:Did you honestly expect a bunch of corruption trials, rape allegations and a state capture report to do anything to Zuma? Hell the Republicans in the USA can take a few ideas from the ANC. Let's see: purges of "non-loyalists" from government departments, consolidating control of the military and police forces, naked graft, being way too friendly with Putin, and pre-emptive power flexing to bury criminal charges. Yeah, I think the Trump administration have this covered already. They're even ahead of Zuma on the judicial capture front.
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Nov 16, 2017 01:29
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Important if true. https://twitter.com/govzimbabwe/status/931305734456913921
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Nov 17, 2017 02:09
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Asylum from what? Were they going to try and prosecute him?
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Nov 17, 2017 02:27
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I figured they would force him to step down but in such a way that he can say he is stepping down to prevent bloodshed and he is a true hero for doing so. Something to save face. Seriously though, gently caress Mugabe. He should have stepped down ages ago, and I'm glad his wife lead to his downfall (though how much of a downfall a 90-something year old with syphilis can have is up to debate).
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Nov 17, 2017 03:50
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The press reports that Mugabe is finished seem to be based on a lot of wishing and tea leaves. If this is Mnangagwa's coup then I'd expect him to have said so by now. This could just as well be an anti-coup operation on Mugabe's behalf without loyalty to either faction.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:46
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BBC News posted:Sources close to the talks say Mr Mugabe - who has been in control of Zimbabwe since it threw off white minority rule in 1980 - is refusing to stand down voluntarily before next year's planned elections.
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Nov 17, 2017 08:42
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Important if true. Mugabe's head has been granted asylum in South Africa, his torso in Namibia, his limbs in Angola.
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Nov 17, 2017 11:51
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Cat Mattress posted:Mugabe's head has been granted asylum in South Africa, his torso in Namibia, his limbs in Angola.
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Nov 17, 2017 11:56
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/931493089872629761
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Nov 17, 2017 14:46
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Grouchio posted:Best casket scenario. a rare  is justified here
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Nov 17, 2017 21:18
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Jesus with all the people manifesting in the street against Mugabe, now i am afraid of what would happen to the civilians if Mugabe managed an unlikely successful counter-coup.
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Nov 18, 2017 16:06
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Toplowtech posted:Jesus with all the people manifesting in the street against Mugabe, now i am afraid of what would happen to the civilians if Mugabe managed an unlikely successful counter-coup. There are almost no riot police on the street. He has 0 power now
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Nov 18, 2017 16:16
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:There are almost no riot police on the street. He has 0 power now
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Nov 18, 2017 16:29
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Oh, he's gone. The thing I wonder is if this joy will persist under a leader nicknamed The Crocodile.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:48
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I have doubts that the army wants Mnangagwa to stay in power for long.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:49
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He's keen to extend the command agriculture scheme rolled out to try to cut imports to other sectors, and the military is v keen on that as they have increasingly been put in charge of running the scheme and they are still being paid in funny money IOUs and have undoubtedly been making a bit of bank from the scheme. He's v v close to the command structure - he's very much their man
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Nov 18, 2017 22:10
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Aaaaaaand he's gone.
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Nov 19, 2017 18:03
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Grouchio posted:Aaaaaaand he's gone. No he's nooooot: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/nov/19/robert-mugabe-set-to-resign-as-president-of-zimbabwe-live I know, this is just the last desperate breaths of a fading relic, but still...
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Nov 19, 2017 20:51
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RagnarokZ posted:No he's nooooot:
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Nov 20, 2017 03:36
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I saw on the Guardian that they were planning a protest for Wednesday. I'm curious as to why they're waiting an extra two days.Grouchio posted:Duly taken. Slit his throat. What happened to you that you have zero chill
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Nov 20, 2017 03:41
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Sergg posted:Meet this new boss, same as the old boss, but probably not as grossly incompetent. But does that just mean that they'll be better at oppression?
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Nov 20, 2017 08:01
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Well there is a resignation letter now, from Mugabe apparantly. For what it's worth, so it looks like we will see so departure soon.
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Nov 21, 2017 16:58
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https://twitter.com/DougColtart/status/933002139596677121 I don't know what's going to happen but at least they get this moment.
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Nov 21, 2017 17:53
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Holy poo poo, it's over, finally. Crocodile will be landing in Zim flying via private jet from South Africa in a few hours. He's probably getting sworn in today as well. Businessman, very close tides with China.
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Nov 22, 2017 07:52
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I don't know that guy at all but he can't be worse than Mugabe. Right?  Volkerball posted:https://twitter.com/DougColtart/status/933002139596677121
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Nov 22, 2017 17:58
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They keep saying he was heavily involved with the massacres in Matabeleland in the eighties, so he's probably no angel.
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Nov 22, 2017 18:02
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So I just watched "Searching for Sugarman". It seems that all of Sixto Rodriguez's fans are white. Is his fanbase primarily white people, or does he have a lot of black fans as well?
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Dec 6, 2017 07:38
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punk rebel ecks posted:
What was access to popular culture like for black people in apartheid South Africa in general? Hopefully somebody with actual useful input will chime in, but I can't imagine the regime of the early 70s would be cool with large-scale dissemination of contemporary American pop music in the black communities - especially since Rodriguez wrote a lot about social justice and other lefty subjects.
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Dec 6, 2017 08:07
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Retarded Goatee posted:What was access to popular culture like for black people in apartheid South Africa in general? Hopefully somebody with actual useful input will chime in, but I can't imagine the regime of the early 70s would be cool with large-scale dissemination of contemporary American pop music in the black communities - especially since Rodriguez wrote a lot about social justice and other lefty subjects.
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Dec 6, 2017 08:22
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Retarded Goatee posted:What was access to popular culture like for black people in apartheid South Africa in general? Hopefully somebody with actual useful input will chime in, but I can't imagine the regime of the early 70s would be cool with large-scale dissemination of contemporary American pop music in the black communities - especially since Rodriguez wrote a lot about social justice and other lefty subjects. Let me tell you about anime dubbed into Zulu. Seriously though, the kind of music popular among black South Africans (at least to my knowledge, as I don't have that lived experience), tends to be locally created (eg African Jazz or house music variants like kwaito), or the music popular among African Americans. How many African Americans are into the kind of acoustic folk-rock Sixto Rodriguez makes? It's white people music, like Metallica or Insane Clown Posse or (insert country music band name here). Which is not to say that the documentary isn't steeped in white privilege, because it very obviously is. Just that there are and were factors other than censorship driving the fact that black South Africans aren't into it.
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Dec 6, 2017 09:31
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How could Sixto Rodriguez be that popular/sold half a million copies if his market was limited to liberal white South Africans? Especially if his music was illegal.
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Dec 6, 2017 18:38
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punk rebel ecks posted:How could Sixto Rodriguez be that popular/sold half a million copies if his market was limited to liberal white South Africans? Especially if his music was illegal. a) That 500K figure was an estimate, put forward by a lawyer, as part of a music rights lawsuit over pirate copy sales of two albums over a time period spanning decades. It's almost certainly much higher than reality. b) The White South African population has been between 4 and 5 million people over the time that Rodriguez has been popular.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:32
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Lead out in cuffs posted:a) That 500K figure was an estimate, put forward by a lawyer, as part of a music rights lawsuit over pirate copy sales of two albums over a time period spanning decades. It's almost certainly much higher than reality. Yeah. It would mean that like 1 in 2 liberal White South Africans legally brought his record then. He'd have to be like Michael Jackson Thriller popular.
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Dec 6, 2017 19:59
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