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kaesarsosei posted:I don't think the Nikolai is what it used to be (I don't actually own it). The Iron Duke is so ridiculous that I'm pretty sure its better than the Nikolai. I only got the Gremyaschy after the stealth fire removal thanks to a bonus code that a goon gave me and I can assure you that it's incredibly powerful.
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orange juche posted:lmao they have a sale bundle that has 45 premium ships in it. jesus gently caress Planes decided to charge just $589 for 84 planes in their bundle. Just to add to the discussion with regards to tanks also doing a giant bundle sale as well.
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orange juche posted:lmao they have a sale bundle that has 45 premium ships in it. jesus gently caress Yeah not paying that much for just a couple of decent ships, will buy them individually
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Try looking at the WoT one. Nearly $1000 and it doesn't even include most of the newer, OP tanks. Nor does it grant any special incentives like a "Mr. Moneybags" camo or emblem. And also then you'd have to play World of Tanks :-/ E: or be like me, and have spent a ton of money on a bunch of premium tanks and then get burned out on the awful high tier game and braindead pubbies.
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Nov 23, 2017 16:40
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The Nikolai is still really good. The superstructure is very minimal, so you get tons of HE shatters. The guns have magical accuracy, so if you're trading salvos with another BB you win the dpm race handily. Its just useless against carriers, but hey they even nerfed those by removing manual drops. The gremy seems really strong to me because its as shooty as any other DD at the tier, but also has 8km torpedoes so you can put your foot in battleships too.
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I'm not questioning either ship btw, I'm just saying that in the current game neither should be considered so OP as to be not sold. The Saipan is a much more OP ship for example.
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Yeah, but consider this: their policy with premium ships is that they never get their stats nerfed. This has caused the Gremyaschy (at tier 5) to be better than the regular tier 6 russian DD under every aspect, most importantly the torpedoes. It's a destroyer and you can't just drive into the enemy team and murder everything, but it's nearly a T7 ship that gets T5 matchmaking and MM weight.
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Brother finally got sick and burned out of botes and have me my account back. What's I miss?
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Cippalippus posted:Yeah, but consider this: their policy with premium ships is that they never get their stats nerfed. This has caused the Gremyaschy (at tier 5) to be better than the regular tier 6 russian DD under every aspect, most importantly the torpedoes. It is there policy, because in the EU where they actually give more than lip service to consumer protection, any “fundamental alteration of virtual goods,” which a stat nerf would be, entitles EU citizens to a refund. Incidentally this is also why they offered refunds on the premium smoke cruisers when they changed the smoke rules.
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There's been an awful lot of standard battles lately, and I really hate them. It's very hard for destroyers, and cruisers, to an extent, to use their limited range in creative ways when battleships just sit at range and duke it out. Everyone just sort of hangs back. There's no incentive to get closer than you need to in order to spot or land hits, and that grossly favors battleshits.
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demonR6 posted:What's I miss? Bunch of new ships got added, CVs are still broken, IJN DDs are still nerfed, WG still doesn't know how to balance.
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demonR6 posted:Brother finally got sick and burned out of botes and have me my account back. What's I miss? The most balanced line in the game...British Battleships...came out. Believe me, you don't need to watch any videos about the Conqueror. Also BBs and most CAs can't really stealth fire in smoke anymore.
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Victor Surge posted:The most balanced line in the game...British Battleships...came out. Believe me, you don't need to watch any videos about the Conqueror. Also there's no stealth firing of guns without smoke anymore
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ZombieLenin posted:It is there policy, because in the EU where they actually give more than lip service to consumer protection, any “fundamental alteration of virtual goods,” which a stat nerf would be, entitles EU citizens to a refund. ahaha no, even Wargaming games have nerfed premium vehicles without offering a refund. It is their policy because they sell more boats that way.
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James Garfield posted:ahaha no, even Wargaming games have nerfed premium vehicles without offering a refund. I'm sorry but Zombie is correct and this is wrong. Unless there is a game mechanics change that affects all ships or tanks or whatever across the board WG'ing must offer a refund per EU law/judiciary ruling. So when HEAT changed in tanks they did not have to offer a refund because it affected all HEAT rounds. Same for the stealth firing changes since it was a mechanic change. However, with the new smoke firing rules it changed a fundamental part of the Belfast/Kutuzov which is why refunds were offered. Much like when WG'ing changed the Super Pershing's armor layout they had to offer a refund. Tl;dr: Change to the digital good means a refund must be offered. Changing how the good functions in the construct of the game does not.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:I'm sorry but Zombie is correct and this is wrong. Unless there is a game mechanics change that affects all ships or tanks or whatever across the board WG'ing must offer a refund per EU law/judiciary ruling. So when HEAT changed in tanks they did not have to offer a refund because it affected all HEAT rounds. Same for the stealth firing changes since it was a mechanic change. However, with the new smoke firing rules it changed a fundamental part of the Belfast/Kutuzov which is why refunds were offered. Much like when WG'ing changed the Super Pershing's armor layout they had to offer a refund. reference please (to a source other than wargaming - I find it exceedingly unlikely that this law exists but manages to have no effect on anything other than wargaming) e: also pretty funny that anyone thinks smoke is a "fundamental part" of premium cruisers with smoke, but stealth fire isn't important to premium ships that can stealth fire, and AFT/BFT affecting 6" guns is important to the Kutuzov but not to any other premium ship with 6" guns James Garfield fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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James Garfield posted:ahaha no, even Wargaming games have nerfed premium vehicles without offering a refund. Ah... yes. That is also why they just stop selling broken premiums as well—see Nikolai and Konig Albert. Nerfs to premiums don’t happen for this very reason. Now, that does not mean premiums aren’t buffed or suffer from power creep. Also, keep in mind there is zero requirement to offer refunds to NA, Oceania players, or China players. To the extent they are offered to those players (see Belfast and Kutuzov) its more about the PR hit they’d get for giving EU players refunds and not anyone else.
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Got drunk and bought the Atlanta. She seems niiiice.
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*Pick TYL, not expecting anything.* *Supercontainer! *  "Woo!! Ok, please be 50k FXP! Or a Speed Boost mod!" *Opens supercontainer.* Gets the "you got a ship" dink. "Oh my Jesus n***a please be a Gremy..."   
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Got drunk and bought the Atlanta. Favorite ship in the game, that's including Belfast. You'll have to learn her quirks and and get a special snowflake of a captain but she's worth it.
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ZombieLenin posted:It is there policy, because in the EU where they actually give more than lip service to consumer protection, any “fundamental alteration of virtual goods,” which a stat nerf would be, entitles EU citizens to a refund. I live in the EU and this is just some rumor that has been circulating without any actual basis. The EU consumer law doesn't say anything even remotely close to this. The reason why they have this policy in place is simple: it's a good business practice and makes consumers feel safe. They do the same in Russia, where consumer laws state that complaining about an item purchased is rewarded with a strong punch in the dick.
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there's a proposal from 2015 as part of the european commissions' digital single market that includes an article talking about modification of digital content, but i'm not sure how it applies to this situation, or if it even has any current effect. i'm american scum, i just went and did some research because i've heard european friends say the same things as above.
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Proposals are what the name implies: proposals. To be effective they need to be delivered in a Directive. Directives don't directly apply in a member State, but they need to be formally applied through some kind of national legislation, and it usually takes years. In certain cases, such as here in Italy, if a national law isn't compliant with an European directive, the Judge might still rule against national law.
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Premium baguette spotted French Battleship Gascogne, tier VIII Hit points - 63200, plating - 32 mm, belt - 250 - 320 mm. Main battery - 2x4 380 mm. Firing range - 24.8 km. HE damage - 5400, AP damage - 11900. Reload time 30 s., 180 degree turn time - 36 s., maximum dispersion - 309 m. HE initial velocity - 830 m/s. AP initial velocity - 830 m/s. Sigma count - 1.8. Maximum speed - 32.0 kt. Turning circle radius - 850 m., rudder shift time - 15.3 s. Surface detectability - 16.2 km, air detectability - 13.8 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke - 15.4 km. Anti-torpedo defense damage reduction - 19%. Available consumables: Slot 1 - Damage Control Party Slot 2 - Repair Party Slot 3 - Spotting Aircraft Slot 4 - Engine Boost
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Mauzeraut posted:Favorite ship in the game, that's including Belfast. You'll have to learn her quirks and and get a special snowflake of a captain but she's worth it.
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Verloc posted:I bought one as well. How do I not be a potato with it? So far I've been playing it like a big shooty US DD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF3x0aeoPhc
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None of this is exactly a stunning revelation, but laws and regulations aside its just bad business to release overpowered premiums and then nerf the hell out of them. Do that a few times and then your customer base will lose confidence. Sure there are always going to be collector types who will buy just about anything (*cough* Prinz Eugen), or people who have some kind of personal connection through military service or family or even geography with certain ships. But most people buy a premium because it promises to do something special over the tech tree ships. Imagine if they released the low-dispersion test version of the Cesare and then nerfed it after release to the current version? The amount of butthurt would be accordingly measured in displacement. If anything, I think their policy of taking overpowered ships off the market pushes demand up slightly because some players worry about missing the next Nikolai.
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 French Battleship Alsace, tier IX Hit points - 69000, plating - 32 mm, belt - 275 - 350 mm. Main battery - 3x4 380 mm  . Firing range - 21.5 km. HE damage - 5400, AP damage - 11900. Reload time 30 s., 180 degree turn time - 36 s., maximum dispersion - 277 m. HE initial velocity - 830 m/s. AP initial velocity - 830 m/s. Sigma count - 2.0. Maximum speed - 30.4 kt. Turning circle radius - 910 m., rudder shift time - 23.2 s. Surface detectability - 16.7 km, air detectability - 15.1 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke - 15.4 km. Anti-torpedo defense damage reduction - 43%.Available consumables: Slot 1 - Damage Control Party Slot 2 - Repair Party Slot 3 - Spotting Aircraft/Catapult Fighter Slot 4 - Engine Boost NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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The speed of an Iowa, with the turning circle of...an Iowa!
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Playing a tier 7 game in my DD. The game starts, and I watch our top tier BB immediately turn toward the southern border, below our spawn. I watch, face like  , as he keeps driving in a direction where there is literally nothing to shoot at. He is completely unopposed, but he keeps going and going. Finally, I ping him, and I ask why he's been cruising along the border for the entire game. "What is your strategy? Why are you doing this?"
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I've seen that happen two or three times in just the last week.
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NTRabbit posted:
Jesus 2.0 sigma and 12 guns, that's gonna be a "fun" time for a lot of cruisers.
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wdarkk posted:Jesus 2.0 sigma and 12 guns, that's gonna be a "fun" time for a lot of cruisers. Unless the shells fly faster than it seems, its very likely going to struggle against kiting cruisers with 15 inch guns at T9. You might need a prayer to get the shells to land in a way to do real damage. It'll be kinda like a T9 Scharnhorst, I feel. Except at T7, the CAs are food. At T9... you're gonna be the food.
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Hazdoc posted:Unless the shells fly faster than it seems, its very likely going to struggle against kiting cruisers with 15 inch guns at T9. You might need a prayer to get the shells to land in a way to do real damage. Oof, I didn't think about that. Gonna be "interesting".
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wdarkk posted:Oof, I didn't think about that. Gonna be "interesting". Might have trouble hitting kiting cruisers, but with the same long lived engine boost as the Henri it's going to be a whole lot harder for cruisers to actually kite Alsace or... The Last Baguette  French Battleship France , tier XHit points - 92400, plating - 32 mm, belt - 350 - 400 mm. Main battery - 2x4 431 mm. Firing range - 26.1 km. HE damage - 6300, AP damage - 14500. Reload time 30 s., 180 degree turn time - 36 s., maximum dispersion - 322 m. HE initial velocity - 840 m/s. AP initial velocity - 840 m/s. Sigma count - 2.0. Maximum speed - 30 kt. Turning circle radius - 980 m., rudder shift time - 18.3 s. Surface detectability - 18.0 km, air detectability - 16.8 km. Detectability after firing main guns in smoke - 18.3 km. Anti-torpedo defense damage reduction - 36%. Available consumables: Slot 1 - Damage Control Party Slot 2 - Repair Party Slot 3 - Engine Boost They've both also got formidable secondary and good long range AA auras, specifically Alsace has 3x triple 6" centreline and 6+6 x the dual 100mm turrets that St Louis carries 7 of, while France looks like it has 4x triple 6" centreline and I think 7+7x dual 100mm. Or, they could possibly be the better 127mm turrets from Henri IV. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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It sure is a bigass boat for a ship with only 2 turrets... Unless it has a trollish armor layout or submarine citadel I don't think it's going to be very good. Or it has high pen rail guns for guns.
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Krogort posted:It sure is a bigass boat for a ship with only 2 turrets... It's the fastest shell velocity at tier until the Russian BBs come out, the question is how heavy the shells are for the long range stuff
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In other warbote news, RV Petrel has found the wreck of Yamashiro.
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Burnt myself out of Destiny 2, back to playing boates, what did I miss in the last 2 months ? Time to add some of my bad opinions: *Imagine if they had bundled the Black Friday package with a Kitakami....I would have thrown my credit card at them and then felt bad, especially since I already have all these ships. *The Gascogne's secondaries could be magical, if they have good range and fire HE. I really would love to have another ship, outside the Germans, with a strong secondary build option. *EU Goons - do we currently participate in Clan Wars in GOON ? I really want to get into that for the Stalingrad, although the experience will probably be bad now that we are getting into the late season. *BB France - I'm curious what that shell velocity does in game. The only other gun with such a high shell velocity would have been the Littorio's 15 inchers, http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNIT_15-50_m1934.php Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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