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StabbinHobo posted:I don't get why people are so hung up on meat. every time someone digs into the numbers its somewhere between #4 and #10 on the priorities list depending on how you break stuff down. Animal Agriculture contributes more to climate change than the entire transportation sector.
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I had 0.6 lbs of brisket today for lunch and I thought of this thread. Seriously I'll do everything I can to combat climate change, including not having kids, but you can't make me not eat meat. I'll fight you.
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StabbinHobo posted:I don't get why people are so hung up on meat. every time someone digs into the numbers its somewhere between #4 and #10 on the priorities list depending on how you break stuff down. Beef is a luxury that has a huge GHG impact yet in practical terms is easy to give up, substituting it for other types of meat that are more environmentally friendly like poultry. Giving up vehicles can be economically impractical and giving up air conditioning can dramatically reduce your creature comforts, but giving up beef is just a psychological/cultural inconvenience.
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Also it's a huge driver of landcover change in the tropics, which has a ton of ecological implications.
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VideoGameVet posted:Animal Agriculture contributes more to climate change than the entire transportation sector. i don't believe you, and the first page of googling for it doesn't seem to either.
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StabbinHobo posted:i don't believe you, and the first page of googling for it doesn't seem to either. This old UN report says it likely overshadows the transportation sector. http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM And really, it is animal husbandry that is the big problem, which includes diary products etc too. So the world should ideally go mostly vegan and not only vegetarian.
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Zudgemud posted:This old UN report says it likely overshadows the transportation sector. If you go strictly by greenhouse gases per calorie, chicken and eggs are more environmentally friendly than many vegetables. And most people would probably find it easier to get rid of their car than to go vegan. "Eat less red meat" is something of a compromise. If we're going to do behavior modification stuff at all, it's a good starting point because there's not many downsides besides having certain foods less often.
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Zudgemud posted:And really, it is animal husbandry that is the big problem, which includes diary products etc too. So the world should ideally go mostly vegan and not only vegetarian.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Going against milk products is a direct attack on populations along genetic lines, and completely unacceptable.  what??
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Nov 23, 2017 17:50
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How are u posted:
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Lactose tolerance is not universal, and taking away a food option from peoples that have evolved to consume it undermines their fitness against peoples who've evolved other positive traits.  Anyway, eating pork is more environmentally friendly than beef, if you have gotta have read meat. Otherwise, there's chicken.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Lactose tolerance is not universal, and taking away a food option from peoples that have evolved to consume it undermines their fitness against peoples who've evolved other positive traits. man the white nationalism is getting ever more abstract.
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that's why white supremacists started putting milk emojis next to their names a year ago or smth
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Nov 23, 2017 18:23
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If whites can't eat cheese then the inscrutable Oriental may take over the world!
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Nov 23, 2017 18:31
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Yeah if anything matters to human society in 2017 AD it's whether your ancestors ate cheese in 2017 BC.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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What if, instead of everyone going vegan, everyone just ate so much meat that we took the population of chickens/cows/pigs to near extinction levels?
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Nov 23, 2017 18:49
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Increasing the fitness of the people with baconators
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How are u posted:If whites can't eat cheese then the inscrutable Oriental may take over the world! The various biomes of the ocean are going to collapse into a tepid acid pool and put a damper on that.
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pidan posted:If you go strictly by greenhouse gases per calorie, chicken and eggs are more environmentally friendly than many vegetables. And most people would probably find it easier to get rid of their car than to go vegan. That metric is really really dumb though because caloric value is a pretty bad indicator for nutritional value, and neither vegetables nor eggs are mainly eaten for their caloric value (unless you count base crops as vegetables). The better animal food source is likely hydroponic farmed fish or something. But otherwise I agree, eating no red meat is a decent first step in decreasing greenhouse gas emissions. However, our culturally and financially entrenched food habits need to be drastically changed over time to help tackle climate change.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:What if, instead of everyone going vegan, everyone just ate so much meat that we took the population of chickens/cows/pigs to near extinction levels? We would create demand, raise prices, and make farmers producers more chickens/cows/pigs (especially cows) 
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Arglebargle III posted:How would you make a scary climate change Halloween costume? Run around with a bullhorn promising to kill everyone's children
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Nov 23, 2017 20:12
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enraged_camel posted:I had 0.6 lbs of brisket today for lunch and I thought of this thread.
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About that... quote:As far as I know, scientists agree the basic theory of marine ice cliff instability by Jeremy Bassis and Catherine Walker is sound (it’s a shame Catherine’s joint contribution to that key 2011 paper wasn’t mentioned). Ice is not strong enough to form a sheer cliff taller than about 100 m above the water line. And indeed, we don’t see any ice cliffs taller than this, which gives us indirect evidence their calculations are correct. We also have the recent study led by Matthew Wise of marks left by the keels of ancient icebergs, scraping along the bedrock like heavy ships, which point towards this kind of cliff collapse in the distant past. https://www.theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2017/nov/23/climate-change-how-soon-will-the-ice-apocalypse-come-antarctica
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Evil_Greven posted:
What about Muslims who like red meat?
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enraged_camel posted:What about Muslims who like red meat? Make a choice?
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Evil_Greven posted:
Maybe from a climate only perspective pork is better but mass-produced pork has lots of environmental issues associated with it, especially because pig poo poo is more hazardous to humans.
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Trabisnikof posted:Maybe from a climate only perspective pork is better but mass-produced pork has lots of environmental issues associated with it, especially because pig poo poo is more hazardous to humans. Yeah but the climate perspective is the only one that matters unless you propose pig poo poo is displacing millions of people + the most wasteful form of land use known to man and can't be treated.
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enraged_camel posted:What about Muslims who like red meat?
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Pander posted:same thing as non-Muslims who like red meat. Eat less. 
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enraged_camel posted:I had 0.6 lbs of brisket today for lunch and I thought of this thread. We're all going to die and it's your fault.
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It's an odd quirk of American culture that otherwise "conservationist" folks will melt down about reducing/zeroing out their meat consumption. I don't see that with Europeans or Asians
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Climate change is already great again
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Climate Change is going to end civilization as we know it no matter what. gently caress if I'm going to give up delicious meat in a futile attempt to stop the inevitable.
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shrike82 posted:It's an odd quirk of American culture that otherwise "conservationist" folks will melt down about reducing/zeroing out their meat consumption. idk i'm already going against the grain of owning a home + a car, and having kids, I've recycled my whole life and use CFLs and take public transport and air dry my clothes, and also nothing matters and I can't change poo poo so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ of course most of that is due to being poor as hell but I would not have kids or a home anyway haha
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Zudgemud posted:This old UN report says it likely overshadows the transportation sector. that page is dated 2006, doesn't actually say anything (its an outline) and when i tried to read the executive summary pdf (which is really going the extra mile in an internet debate) it was a 404 if this is the best anyone can do then basically we're in agreement: meat is fine as long as we do some modest curtailing of beef and land use change for it
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shrike82 posted:It's an odd quirk of American culture that otherwise "conservationist" folks will melt down about reducing/zeroing out their meat consumption. Tell Asians that they need to stop consuming all fish products because they are destroying the oceans. They won't melt down, they'll just laugh at you and continue sending trawlers halfway around the globe to strip the seabed clean.
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Rime posted:Tell Asians that they need to stop consuming all fish products because they are destroying the oceans. Climate change is doing a lot more to destroy the oceans than Asian fishing fleets.
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enraged_camel posted:What about Muslims who like red meat? Goat is a far superior red meat to cow and goats are assholes that aren't amenable to factory farming.
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