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wedgekree posted:Two crippled CVE's - are either likely to sink or not? Also ow on those plane losses. Good luck wtih replacing them and getting yoru pilots up. Probably not, unless there are other hits not listed. There's something of a possibility that Natoma Bay might sink (or rather be hulked, then scuttled), if they can't get the fires under control, but Anzio should be fine. Really, not a single torpedo bomber landing a hit really hurts the likelihood of a kill.
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Despite all the hits on enemy carriers, this could easily be a Pyrrhic victory if those dozens of planes going down every day are filled with experienced pilots. It's bad news when the combined Japanese naval air power has trouble dealing with a few CVLs and CVEs.
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If going for a Midway sort of solution works if you could draw the Americans to an area wtih a lot of built up land based airpower, use that to stalemate/slow the USN and then send in the carriers after the Americans ahve been attrited by a couple days of airstrikes to get in more hits if that sort of thing was managable in game.
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Lord Koth posted:Probably not, unless there are other hits not listed. There's something of a possibility that Natoma Bay might sink (or rather be hulked, then scuttled), if they can't get the fires under control, but Anzio should be fine. Really, not a single torpedo bomber landing a hit really hurts the likelihood of a kill. What was the saying? Bombs let air in, torpedoes let water in?
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Mikl posted:What was the saying? Bombs let air in, torpedoes let water in? Yup. The calculus changes a little when it comes to carriers since a bomb putting a hole in the flight deck means no air ops, and a carrier tends to carry enough combustibles that a bad bomb hit can deal a lot of damage anyway, but torps are still better for actually sinking a hull.
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wedgekree posted:Two crippled CVE's - are either likely to sink or not? Also ow on those plane losses. Good luck wtih replacing them and getting yoru pilots up. Probably won't sink. They're also CVEs, assuming they make it back to port, it might not even be worth repairing the things - the US built more than 100 of them during the war.
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Almost 200 more points today compared to yesterday. Could that mean that CVE have been sunk?
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Some stories from Japan 1941. Before the war started, this interservice research group from the Total War Research Institute ran a simulation of a proposed Japanese attack on the US as a result of Japanese attacks on Indonesia/the Dutch East Indies. Their conclusion was that Japan would win a bunch of initial battles but then be forced into a war of attrition where the Americans would destroy their merchant marine and steamroll Japan with superior resources. They reported to Tojo, who heard this, went pale, and then answered, "Well, look, this is just a desktop exercise. Actual wars don't go as you imagine. We didn't go to war with Russia thinking we'd win, but we did." At another point, just before the war started, the emperor was briefed on the proposed attack, and asks how long the war will last, and army chief of staff Sugiyama tells him "We intend to complete the mission in the South Seas in three months. Hirohito responds, "When the China Incident broke out, you were army minister. I remember you telling me then that the conflict would be over in a month. But it's been four years! Four years and the war hasn't ended!" Sugiyama answers, "China is huge with a huge hinterland. That's why we couldn't carry out our plans as we originally envisioned." At this point, Hirohito gets pissed off and yells at him, "If you say China is huge, the Pacific is even bigger! So why are you telling me three months?"
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22 November 1943 Risks of the job: the British minesweeper Hebe strikes a mine off Bari.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:22 November 1943 Honestly it seems like the best way to sweep for mines back in the day would have just been build a whole bunch of cheap boats, tie them together starboard to port, point them toward where you think the mines might be, then start the engines and jump off. Yes I know sweeping for sea mines is more complicated then that.
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Kibayasu posted:Honestly it seems like the best way to sweep for mines back in the day would have just been build a whole bunch of cheap boats, tie them together starboard to port, point them toward where you think the mines might be, then start the engines and jump off. NavWeaps posted:In essence, countering attrition mining is a simple task. It is necessary to carve a single path, once, through the suspected choke point. The problem is that since the target is, by definition, of the highest value, the mines laid will be of the most sophisticated and dangerous types. The enemy will also make every effort to lay them in the largest possible quantities. The situation is complicated by the fact that the mine countermeasures ships cannot afford to make a single mistake (the commander of a minehunter responsible for mine clearance when, for example, the USS Abraham Lincoln hits one is unlikely to have much in the way of career prospects afterwards). To make matters worse, getting such assets to sea is often time-critical. At its most extreme, this could be to get the ship or submarine out before its base is incinerated. In such cases, low value ships are likely to be used as mine bumpers, accepting their loss to save the crucial unit. Emphasis mine.
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In Das Boot Buchheim writes about a "blockade breaker" used to guide the boats into the base proper. He describes it as a freighter with a cargo hold full of empty oil drums and some AAA.
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Jesenjin posted:Almost 200 more points today compared to yesterday. Most certainly
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Is having the score visible a fog of war setting? Can you turn it off to prevent using it as an intelligence tool like we are here?
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Ron Jeremy posted:Is having the score visible a fog of war setting? Can you turn it off to prevent using it as an intelligence tool like we are here? Nope.
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   These are more the losses I'm looking for.  We see off an air attack as well.  We sink a troop convoy – this is always a good thing.   A nice calm day of murdering defenceless ships.  And a destroyer. That's not defenceless!
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Kibayasu posted:Honestly it seems like the best way to sweep for mines back in the day would have just been build a whole bunch of cheap boats, tie them together starboard to port, point them toward where you think the mines might be, then start the engines and jump off. The problem is that to sweep for mines effectively you need people on the boats.
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Nov 23, 2017 14:01
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Little wooden boats with nets/sacrificial motor launches
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The problem is that to sweep for mines effectively you need people on the boats. That's what German POWs are for.
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   Somehow these allied ships escape!  These guys don't however!  Confirming the kill.  The murder run continues.  Oh! Oh! Oh! I might be able to get a battleship duel! Please oh pleaseohplease.  Two torps should give these guys something to worry about!  Heavy flak costs us more bombers.  This is amazing. A medal for the captain of that sub!   I start playing the blood price for Sian.  Another good day! And tomorrow may be interesting – BATTLESHIPS AWAY!  Okay, the Tennessee is optimistic even for me!
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Who knew that Japanese submarines carried 800lb AP bombs on them to attack with? That combat report seems ambitious indeed.
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So the Allies have at least two BB's, oen of which is escorted by a cruiser squadron and the other which has some Destroyers? Think you can get them both presuming the Tenessee is still up but slowed from the torp?
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Decoy Badger posted:Who knew that Japanese submarines carried 800lb AP bombs on them to attack with? That combat report seems ambitious indeed. Japanese naval intelligence believes the torpedo did not arm, but in fact triggered the detonation of a dud bomb (dropped during the Pearl Harbor attack) deep inside the ship's bilge. When asked about this improbable sequence of events after the war, the intelligence office reported that they selected this theory as "more probable" than the competing theory of the kill being made by an improbable shot from Tokyo Bay Fortress.
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On the upside withdrawing hte sub cordon from Pearl and having them be engaged in the South Pacific seems to be paying off..
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23 November 1943 USS Gudgeon torpedoes and sinks the Japanese escort Wakamiya 70 miles south of Shushan Island, China.
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Grey Hunter posted:
 She's alive! I thought for sure the West Virginia was sunk on day two of the war.
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Why not both? 
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Might as well give up now. The rituals have been performed. The sacrifices have been made. 
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SS-18 Satans in 1948? Seems legit.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Might as well give up now. The rituals have been performed. The sacrifices have been made. Your new gods have no power over this realm silly hu man.
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So like, how many liberty ships does a cruiser sortie need to kill to make a dent in their weekly production?
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Yeah the liberty ships seem like pretty effective ablative armor for the rest of the US fleet tbh
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:So like, how many liberty ships does a cruiser sortie need to kill to make a dent in their weekly production? Quick math (2710 built/4 years/12 months/4.5 weeks) tells me that the US built an average of about 12.5 a week, so....
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:So like, how many liberty ships does a cruiser sortie need to kill to make a dent in their weekly production? One every few days would make a dent.
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goatface posted:One every few days would make a dent. Judging by the math above, more like a few a day.
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Nah, even discounting all the ones used in the Atlantic and on coastal shipping, two or three a week by those maths is ~20%. That's a dent.
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 When contact is made, the Allies get the drop on us. We do more damage to their heavier ship though!  This puts us in a bad position when the second task force hits us. We still trade fire though.  The battleships miss the main fight, but do find and sink a troop transport and it's escorts.  The Quincy flees south, right into our big guns. It seems the Battleship captain was planning something different.  In a stroke of luck, one of the carrier groups is just getting home.  We leave her burning.  Then two Jills come in. The pilots had previously lost the rest of their wing, but now they come in low and slam their torpedoes into the West Virginia!  It's a luck shot day!  Two in one day!  Despite the forts, our veteran troops begin to overwhelm the defenders of Sian.  We hurt the Allies today, once again I get lucky and have the right assets in the right place.  This is going to look bad on the morning papers.
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Well, it looks like Haguro's going to be out of action for the rest of the war. On the plus side, a battleship and 1~2 cruisers isn't a bad trade. Edit: Also glad to see Katori got in on the action for some real hands-on training. Triggerhappypilot fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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