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John Murdoch posted:At least with Morde they intentionally decided "let's see what happens when we warp the game as much as possible to try and make a melee carry work, consequences be damned". Skarner's capture point mechanic is just pure and somehow, they figured giving him a BKB effect wouldn't be essential there
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A bkb summoner spell could at least be a good alternative to flash. But in reality ranged ADCs would just start running flash+bkb.
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Nov 24, 2017 14:38
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I mean I guess they could gently caress up j4, vel'koz, or zed, but it seems pretty unlikely
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Nov 24, 2017 15:12
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I think riot has had more hits then misses with their visual and gameplay overhauls, Sion went from my most hated visuals -and- gameplay character to by far my favorite in both categories, there are no skills as satisfying or visceral to land then charging his Q and trying to get greedy for the extra stun duration and damage, or hitting his ult on a squishy target from across a lane and winning the game off it.  A bit of a self promotion, but I uploaded a lot of Sion clips last season here if anyone is interested in checking some out. https://www.twitch.tv/a_wizard_did_it/videos/all
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Nov 24, 2017 15:26
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Killed By Death posted:Unstoppable Force is now a linear skillshot with unlimited range but you only stop upon hitting a champion; if you fail to connect you will travel off the map, never to return for the rest of the game. I'm behind this change if Malphite orbited on and off the map like Sgt. Hammer ult for the rest of the game
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Nov 24, 2017 16:19
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I think every 'VGU' since Sion has been good and all of the duds have come from the 'class reworks' where they rework a bunch of champs at once. They seem to have stopped doing those luckily.
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Nov 24, 2017 16:24
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Tales of Woe posted:I think every 'VGU' since Sion has been good and all of the duds have come from the 'class reworks' where they rework a bunch of champs at once. They seem to have stopped doing those luckily. I think what they've realized is that doing a proper rework requires a lot of effort to make it ring true stylistically and give that champion a proper, defined place in the game. Eve was designed from the ground-up to be a jungler with her own unique strengths and weaknesses, and she's fully succeeded as a reworked champ. Comparatively, I think someone like Quinn is only being played because the quirks of itemization (specifically Lethality) have made her passably okay in toplane, and that's a direct consequence of her being one of eight or nine champions they were trying to simultaneously revamp.
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Nov 24, 2017 16:28
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Vermain posted:I think what they've realized is that doing a proper rework requires a lot of effort to make it ring true stylistically and give that champion a proper, defined place in the game. Eve was designed from the ground-up to be a jungler with her own unique strengths and weaknesses, and she's fully succeeded as a reworked champ. Comparatively, I think someone like Quinn is only being played because the quirks of itemization (specifically Lethality) have made her passably okay in toplane, and that's a direct consequence of her being one of eight or nine champions they were trying to simultaneously revamp. To be fair, Quinn wasn't being played before her rework either. She really just feels like a bad design experiment overall, similar to Morde. Her old ult was awful since it required an ADC to get into melee range to use, which was basically suicide when every other ADC tries to stay in the backline for a reason. Most people just used it for the execute. Issue now is her new ult is great for a roaming top laner, and awful for an ADC, but in a game where most top laners are tanky she just screws your team comp unless she can abuse broken mechanics (like Lethality).
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Tales of Woe posted:I think every 'VGU' since Sion has been good and all of the duds have come from the 'class reworks' where they rework a bunch of champs at once. They seem to have stopped doing those luckily. This is true I think. Going by this list of Full Relaunches in order... http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Champion_updates -Karma: was a dud for a while gameplaywise. Today a hotly contested pro pick. -Trundle: Didn't really change. Doesn't count for or against. -Sion: Huge success. -Poppy: Huge success. -Taric: Huge success. -Warwick: Huge success. -Galio: Huge success. -Urgot: Probably the most debatable one? He has an actual role in the game but I think some people miss his chasers. I'd call it a big win myself though. -Evelynn: Huge success. It's the reworks that aren't full relaunches where poo poo gets sketchy and their track record is worse. But the total remakes have been almost certainly all good for the game by a lot.
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Nov 24, 2017 19:31
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I wish they would let Galio do damage again. That would be neat
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Nov 24, 2017 19:38
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Primetime posted:To be fair, Quinn wasn't being played before her rework either. Sure, but neither was old Poppy. The point of a modern VGU is to boil down an existing champion's aesthetic/stylistic considerations ("Poppy is a Yordle with a big hammer that's hard to kill and smashes people into walls") and then turn that into a modern gameplay design. They weren't really able to do that with Quinn as a consequence of her being on a list with a bunch of other champions that had to be completed within a few months.
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Nov 24, 2017 19:52
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Rygar201 posted:I wish they would let Galio do damage again. That would be neat you just need to wait until like 30 minutes in, then he does damage...just not tons. RoA / Frozen Fist / Liandry's is fun with the big boy right now.
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Nov 24, 2017 19:58
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TheTofuShop posted:you just need to wait until like 30 minutes in, then he does damage...just not tons. Did you see the PBE stuff they are testing on him? Nerfing his passive and E damage, giving him a scaling nuke on his W based on channel time? Why 
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Transient People posted:This is true I think. Going by this list of Full Relaunches in order... Galio was better before.
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Rygar201 posted:Did you see the PBE stuff they are testing on him? Nerfing his passive and E damage, giving him a scaling nuke on his W based on channel time? booo I thought he was safe after seeing the most recent patch.
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Nov 24, 2017 21:32
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I unironically prefer old galio come at me
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Monicro posted:I unironically prefer old galio come at me I would too because I could just run the other way
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Nov 24, 2017 22:15
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Reality Winner posted:I would too because I could just run the other way As opposed to now, when you might have to take a few steps out of your way to avoid his incredibly telegraphed dash
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Nov 24, 2017 22:24
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I think new Galio's abilities are a worthy update but I prefer the old lore 
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Nov 24, 2017 22:31
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I liked old gali0's flappy wings
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Nov 24, 2017 22:32
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Gonna shoot wind at you and then follow it
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Nov 24, 2017 22:33
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JerryLee posted:I think new Galio's abilities are a worthy update but I prefer the old lore Instead wish they'd get him do actual damage
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Nov 24, 2017 22:35
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As far as the Visual Update, they ruined crabgot. I legit payed for a B Movie crabman and now I have some terrible Kaiju crap I never wanted.
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I want old Galio back as a support with this new rune system. Manalink Bond to shoot Q's all day for harass, Aerie procs with his W on the ADC to shield, Aerie shield in turn procs Athene's heal, IT'S ALL TOO BEAUTIFUL
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Nov 24, 2017 22:55
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What about Fiora? I never played old Fiora because I'm a new scrub, but I really enjoyed the mechanics of new Fiora when I started actually dedicating time to playing League. She's still one of my favorite champions. But I have no context because I never experience the original version.
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amazeballs posted:What about Fiora? I never played old Fiora because I'm a new scrub, but I really enjoyed the mechanics of new Fiora when I started actually dedicating time to playing League. She's still one of my favorite champions. But I have no context because I never experience the original version. Old Fiora was a boring ball of stats that eventually just won the game because she had an ult that made her invincible and did a zillion damage if you ever got a single target isolated or had Hydra.
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If you didnt like wind speed boost > flash > ulting into the entire enemy team as old galio and 1-shotting the enemy vayne who didn't know to buy qss because she'd never played against a galio before then I dunno what to tell you
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Nov 24, 2017 23:01
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Old Galio Q SFX was objectively one of the best sounds in the game and here we are with some vague wooshing sound. Ruined.
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The Mash posted:Nunu Laffo look at this guy, Rammus ulti is bonkers since they changed it given it's a stacking slow (up to 96% or something ridiculous) and does like a 120 damage a second. That's more than Mundos W does and he's kinda notorious for standing on people with that on and waiting for them to die from the aoe.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Laffo look at this guy, Rammus ulti is bonkers since they changed it given it's a stacking slow (up to 96% or something ridiculous) and does like a 120 damage a second. That's more than Mundos W does and he's kinda notorious for standing on people with that on and waiting for them to die from the aoe. yeah imagine an ult doing more damage than a regular no-cooldown ability lol
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Nov 25, 2017 02:51
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 eat poo poo motherfucker vayne
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There's the distinct possibility that Leona might be a little too strong right now.
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Verviticus posted:
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Vermain posted:There's the distinct possibility that Leona might be a little too strong right now. Unpossible
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Nov 25, 2017 04:56
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shyvana is amazing. just stand in front of your team and dare the enemy tanks to engage you
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Nov 25, 2017 05:52
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d0grent posted:shyvana is amazing. just stand in front of your team and dare the enemy tanks to engage you Watchoo takin on on her rune wise
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gowb posted:Watchoo takin on on her rune wise Press the Attack and whatever else you want 'cause you literally need no other help.
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Nov 25, 2017 07:06
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gowb posted:Watchoo takin on on her rune wise Press the attack is a must have because 1 auto + Q procs it instantly since her Q counts as 2 auto attacks. I take sorcery secondary because celerity (4% movespeed + AD) is really helpful for her constant in and out playstyle in teamfights. Farm to level 6 ASAP unless there's a REALLY obvious gank to be made. At level 6 you can 1v1 anyone as long as you have room to chase them. In teamfights just fight their frontline because you will be just as tanky as their tank but you'll do more damage than them always. Build is bloodrazer and deadmans is core. You can go titanic hydra if you want a little more dmg or frozen mallet if you need help sticking to people, otherwise go full tank after that.
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Vermain posted:There's the distinct possibility that Leona might be a little too strong right now. I think you';re right (partially due to aftershock and the way it applies w/her w) but at the same time i sincerely hope they don't nerf her so hard she vanishes for like two year like they did the last time leona was popular because it seems to happen to her Constantly
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