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1500quidporsche posted:You've got some serious rose tinted glasses. The pirelli tires for 2012 were like loving jello and nobody understood how they worked, I don't think Pastor was as bad as others said he was but to act like he won that day on any amount of skill instead of the tire lottery that produced a different winner for the first 7 races that year is laughable. He was on pole.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:He was on pole. So was Rosberg and Vettel when they won races before him... infact they actually earned those poles as opposed to inheriting it.
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Stroll got a podium in an era where car performance is relatively close and bunch of top runners dropped out. This isn't Johansson dragging an Onyx into 3rd place here. Stroll also looked really, really out of depth on various occasions during the season. Vandoorne, in a vastly inferior car (well, engine) has looked much better to use an example.
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I agree that Pastor Maldonado is comparable to Nico Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel. IIRC Pastor's one-lap pace was routinely excellent in 2012.
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Vandorne has looked like poo poo this year and has been my disappointment of the year tbh. If you want to talk about being wildly inconsistent and looking out of his depth at times then the conversation starts with strudel boy.
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Wirth1000 posted:This right here is Liberty's dream. WWE style entrances like in the USGP, the metric system being thrown away and replaced by the imperial system, slowly phase in more and more US locations while introducing artifical cautions and safety cars. As an American, 
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1500quidporsche posted:Vandorne has looked like poo poo this year and has been my disappointment of the year tbh. If you want to talk about being wildly inconsistent and looking out of his depth at times then the conversation starts with strudel boy. It starts with Stroll and you know it, not are waffles
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I witnessed, firsthand mind you, Stroll barley able to hold off Stoffel at Suzuka. He was visibly struggling to do so.
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I would love it if Liberty brought back giant gently caress off wreaths for the podiumers
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GramCracker posted:It starts with Stroll and you know it I fully expected Stroll to be poo poo this year, I thought Vandorne was going to match Alonso and he fell flat on his face until half way through the season.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjyh-nDxmsU
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1500quidporsche posted:I fully expected Stroll to be poo poo this year, I thought Vandorne was going to match Alonso and he fell flat on his face until half way through the season. So you're saying that Lance Stroll being shithouse at the start of the year but gradually getting to just about the pace of a completely washed up Felipe Massa is more impressive than Stoffel Vandoorne being bad at the start of the year but gradually getting up to the pace of one of the greatest drivers of the modern era. OK.
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He's too young and has basically no experience, and was pushed though into the big time because of 1.) His results in junior formulae 2.) Money and 3.) The bad precedent Max Verstappen set.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:So you're saying that Lance Stroll being shithouse at the start of the year but gradually getting to just about the pace of a completely washed up Felipe Massa is more impressive than Stoffel Vandoorne being bad at the start of the year but gradually getting up to the pace of one of the greatest drivers of the modern era. OK. I would not say he's at Alonso's pace, he's been faster than him in qualifying on occasion (which never was Alonso's strong suit anyways) and then looked miles off the pace of Alonso in the races.
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Shark fins confirmed gone for 2018. Lance Stroll admitted he's a big fan of Harvey Weinstein personally.
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I want to make a complete list of drivers in the last 5 years who I'm pretty sure would outscore Stroll in the same car. Vitaly Petrov. Jolyon Palmer. Max Chilton. Maybe not Bruno Senna or Marcus Erricson.
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I'd argue that even Bruno & Ericsson could do it.
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gently caress, Narain Karthikeyan could do it.
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Much like Pastor, Vitaly Petrov also needs to come back.
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Wirth1000 posted:gently caress, Narain Karthikeyan could do it. Bold statement. How about Nelson Jr?
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Ericsson has been getting the better of Pascal on more than one occasion and it's drat hilarious.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Ericsson has been getting the better of Pascal on more than one occasion and it's drat hilarious. I always thought Pascal was overrated, loving Rio would get the better of him.
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Norns posted:Lol max chilton We all love Big Max who came close to winning the Indy 500. IMO what that race proved is that Max Chilton is every bit as good as world class drivers like Fernando Alonso and Ryan Hunter-Reay.
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1500quidporsche posted:I always thought Pascal was overrated, loving Rio would get the better of him. He was ovutqualified by Haryanto 5 times. Jesus.
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Pascal Wehrlein looks like a off-brand Lewis Hamilton .
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Feels Villeneuve posted:We all love Big Max who came close to winning the Indy 500. IMO what that race proved is that Max Chilton is every bit as good as world class drivers like Fernando Alonso and Ryan Hunter-Reay. It definitely doesn't prove that the Indy 500 is a giant clusterfuck where if you just keep the car on the track until the end you have a decent chance of winning because your stops happened to sync beneficially with the endless cautions
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Tsaedje posted:It definitely doesn't prove that the Indy 500 is a giant clusterfuck where if you just keep the car on the track until the end you have a decent chance of winning because your stops happened to sync beneficially with the endless cautions Please don't be rude to Ryan "World Class" Hunter-Reay, Alex "World Class" Rossi or Takuma "World Class" Sato
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List of actual poo poo people that never should have been given a chance in F1 if we lived in a just and fair world and money didn't matter anywhere near as much as the ability to learn, grow, be quick and consistent aka merit in the past 5 years: 1. Lance Stroll 2. Esteban Guiterrez 3. Rio Haryanto 4. Jolyon Palmer 5. Marcus Ericsson 6. Will Stevens (who the gently caress honestly wa sthis???) 7. Giedo van der Garde
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Lol Will Stevens
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Giant Clusterfucks ftw.
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On the one hand Indy is kind of random but on the other hand Takuma Sato winning was one of the greatest moments of my life so I'll take it.
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Will Stevens was garbo.
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Wirth1000 posted:List of actual poo poo people that never should have been given a chance in F1 if we lived in a just and fair world and money didn't matter anywhere near as much as the ability to learn, grow, be quick and consistent aka merit in the past 5 years: You appear to be missing Max Chilton there
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I still love Big Jo Palmer. What a driver
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Feels Villeneuve posted:On the one hand Indy is kind of random but on the other hand Takuma Sato winning was one of the greatest moments of my life so I'll take it. Oh no doubt, I loved every minute of it
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I have no opinion on Roberto Mehri. He probably didn't have enough skill to warrant a top drive but then again I don't think he was somebody that brought tons of money.
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Remember Andre Lotterer's F1 career? I'd totally forgotten it and I'm kind of annoyed that it's back in my brain wasting space
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The revolving doors of the dying/broke teams is always fun to watch. Andre "1/2 Lap" Lotterer
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Tsaedje posted:Remember Andre Lotterer's F1 career? I'd totally forgotten it and I'm kind of annoyed that it's back in my brain wasting space I remember people drawing Schumacher parallels.
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