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Mr Interweb posted:Since we're on the subject of Peterson, I've mentioned this in the thread already the other day, but what do you say to someone who insists that he's right about the idea of "compelled speech". These people argue that it's fine to prevent certain speech, but being forced to say something specifically is a different matter. I don't know how good that argument is, especially since if you care about "free speech" so much, then you would also agree that being prevented to express certain words is just as bad (since that is literally stifling speech). Well he's dead wrong about pronouns as far as on a private, personal level. But when you're in certain positions, like a professor or an employer, you are legally required to act in a nondiscriminatory manner, and gender identity falls under that. If, say, an employee makes a reasonable request to address them by a particular pronoun, yeah you have to abide by that. Keep in mind that for Peterson, this was already the case prior to C16: Ontario already had added gender identity to their non-discrimination statute.
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Compelled speech falls under the same rules as free speech surely, you can sign up to things which prevent you from saying things (such as confidential information) and you can sign up to things that also compel you to say specific things (advertising for a brand). If you don't like it you're free to gently caress off out the thing you signed up for.
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Nov 23, 2017 23:35
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I’m sure that old dildo doesn’t have a problem with clerks being required to ask him if he found everything he was looking for or wishing him a good day even though it must be obvious that anyone who meets him in a casual interaction must despise him after three minutes.
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Nov 24, 2017 00:15
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it's such a bizarre hill to die on. one of my old coworkers went away for a semester and came back dressing as a guy and went by a new name and it wasn't hard to call him dude and i just naturally thought of him as a dude even though for years he'd been a woman to me.
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Nov 24, 2017 00:23
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Does he get his jockstrap in a twist over PhDs wanting to be called Dr instead of Mr, Mrs, or Ms?
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Nov 24, 2017 01:31
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So the EA lootbox kerfuffle has started leaking into non-gaming related YouTube, here's Level1Techs hot take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YnY6bitNAI It was all going so well, but I forgot that these guys are really pro free market, which led to this hilarious nonsense argument when discussing regulating gambling in video games: quote:Regulation is never the answer, your favourite game is now hate speech. Like, how do you even get there.
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Nov 24, 2017 03:09
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Measly Twerp posted:Like, how do you even get there. axiomatic hatred of "regulations" while ignoring that literally all of society is, in fact, regulations
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Nov 24, 2017 03:29
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If you don't want to use someone's pronouns, you can use 'they' or 'one' or change your sentence to avoid pronouns entirely. Jerks do it all the time. Preferred pronouns don't compel acknowledgement of gender, because gendered pronouns are not already compelled speech. Jordan Peterson is not being marched into a courtroom by the state to face a trans/nb person and forced to address them by a specific pronoun, or else face legal penalties, which he pretends is figuratively happening.
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Nov 24, 2017 10:54
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Sax Solo posted:If you don't want to use someone's pronouns, you can use 'they' or 'one' or change your sentence to avoid pronouns entirely. Jerks do it all the time. I use 'they' pretty much standard for everyone for a good reason, it's an actual neutral way to refer to anyone. 
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Nov 24, 2017 11:03
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Yes, not all they-sayers.
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Nov 24, 2017 12:17
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Measly Twerp posted:So the EA lootbox kerfuffle has started leaking into non-gaming related YouTube, here's Level1Techs hot take: 'regulation is never the answer', delivered so casually and absolutely, was pretty revealing. what was also revealing imo was tiptoeing around the word 'boycott'... possibly it it smacks unacceptably of collective action. they don't address at all that this is the Star Wars game, and a monopoly in that sense.
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Nov 24, 2017 14:29
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he's right *chokes to death on smog after living a an intellectually deficient life due to lead poisoning while constantly riddled with worms from drinking tap water*
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's such a bizarre hill to die on. one of my old coworkers went away for a semester and came back dressing as a guy and went by a new name and it wasn't hard to call him dude and i just naturally thought of him as a dude even though for years he'd been a woman to me. it's something a lot of people struggle with, even if they aren't assholes or bigots. i've had the conversation with a few friends/family members where they've never had a trans person in their life and you need to repeat "just call them whatever they identify as, and don't worry about what their genital situation is" a handful of times before it sinks in.
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Without watching I'm willing to put a blind bet on turbolibertarian techbros?
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They understand that real life casino gambling is regulated right? A minor can't go in and gamble without at least a guardian there?
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little munchkin posted:it's something a lot of people struggle with, even if they aren't assholes or bigots. i've had the conversation with a few friends/family members where they've never had a trans person in their life and you need to repeat "just call them whatever they identify as, and don't worry about what their genital situation is" a handful of times before it sinks in. it's such an adolescent mindset tho. when i was a teen i was probably all "eww gross a guy dressing as a woman????" but when you grow up you realize people are different and as long as they aren't hurting anyone who the gently caress cares. maybe if more people knew someone who transitioned they'd have some empathy there but it's frustrating how conservatives especially have an inability to care about anyone but those directly related to them or in their circle of friends.
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Raenir Salazar posted:They understand that real life casino gambling is regulated right? A minor can't go in and gamble without at least a guardian there? REPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT REG-U-LAT-ION INHIBITING THE SPIRIT OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP I think you can safely assume that there is a lot these guys haven't thought through.
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Nov 24, 2017 17:13
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i love how tech bros don't realize without the government there's no internet. the department of defense created it.
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Everything bad is the government's fault, everything good would have happened anyway. It's airtight logic.
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Nov 24, 2017 19:03
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Nov 24, 2017 19:07
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I feel like as a person that doesn't live there, I would know at least as much about London as noted unable-to-leave-house-man PJW. "Oh god I saw a brown man out of the window on the street below gang terrorism is OUT OF CONTROL"
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Nov 24, 2017 19:09
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PJW keeps bringing the beautiful three structure punchline. The man is legend and I commend him for constantly dunking on himself and the far right.
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Nov 24, 2017 20:08
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He's just exercising his right of self ownership.
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Nov 24, 2017 20:20
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Wait, so there was literally nothing happening in this Oxford Circus, the Daily Mail reported there was, and now ???
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Nov 24, 2017 22:16
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Mass panic, coppers have been there and can't find anyone dead or injured. Seems like some people got freaked out by something and it spiralled. But don't let that stop the mail or twitter idiot brigade claiming oceans of blood in the streets.
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Nov 24, 2017 22:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmsoVFCUN3Q New Contra video. Would like to note that I disagree with the initial premise that Violence is used because it is "fun" I personally think that most people use vilence because it works. Call it a more materialist take on the whole thing.
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Nov 24, 2017 22:58
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Yeah, violence isn’t fun unless your dominance over your target is all but assured, as in lynchings, police murdering people, and nazis going out in big mobs. Also you pretty much have to buy into a politics of dominance and absolute power to enjoy it. I fear violence to some degree every time I go out to demonstrate against the nazi chuds in my town, and even if I had a deadly weapon or something that ensured my survival I can’t imagine I’d enjoy it at all.
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Nov 24, 2017 23:03
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Maybe crime wouldn't be "out of control" in London if it wasn't for this lovely, right-wing government constantly slashing the budget of the police and holding utter disdain for the poor, you complete poo poo stain PJW.
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business hammocks posted:Yeah, violence isn’t fun unless your dominance over your target is all but assured, as in lynchings, police murdering people, and nazis going out in big mobs. Also you pretty much have to buy into a politics of dominance and absolute power to enjoy it. True, however I would argue that violence is inherent in almost everything and is the last resort of choice because of that underpinning. Hence "violence is always an option". It might not be a good option but it exists to be used, its threat and usage helps to build the world, both as we would want and as it is. I find this saddening, but also understandable.
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its a perverse way of looking at things. the entire point of civil democratic society is agreeing to resolve things nonviolently.
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Nov 24, 2017 23:39
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Well no it's to maintain a state monopoly on violence to the benefit of the state. Allegedly under democratic control, though practically, arguably just self sustaining.
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Nov 24, 2017 23:49
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:its a perverse way of looking at things. the entire point of civil democratic society is agreeing to resolve things nonviolently. It is what we aim for, but in truth violence is always a last resort, a threat and, ultimately, what a lot of our institutions run on. The state monopoly on violence should mean that it is used for the betterment of all, but more frequently it is used simply as a way of maintaining what is currently "okay". I have the utmost respect for people who come from a place that says "no, I disagree and hold that violence should only be used in the following circumstances, and we should call it out outside of that" or "I am always opposed to all violence", but to say things about being against violence when we see it every day and say nothing about it is sad. Also, in its own sad way, violence represents a potentially freeing thing. Both in its use and none use. Not saying that "freedom" is good either, but violence breaks your chains as well as builds the new ones, as it were. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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New Shaun vid today as well, talking about the attempts to stir up some Goobergate style drama over Cuphead and games reviewers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-P9_oUV9Gw
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Nov 25, 2017 00:43
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Here's a great video David Pakman did recently on race and IQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE9jiPyLYZA
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Nov 25, 2017 00:55
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i can't imagine whining about sjws while thinking the 80s hair metal look is ok in 2017.
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Nov 25, 2017 01:19
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Just made the bad, perhaps terminally so, move of reading how some leftists are reacting to Contra. Holy fuuuuuck these people cannot take not being taken seriously, some of the stuff on gamerghazi is just... holy poo poo.
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Nov 25, 2017 01:19
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Josef bugman posted:Just made the bad, perhaps terminally so, move of reading how some leftists are reacting to Contra. What are they saying?
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Nov 25, 2017 01:41
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Mr Interweb posted:What are they saying? It's a bunch of different things mostly.
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Josef bugman posted:Just made the bad, perhaps terminally so, move of reading how some leftists are reacting to Contra. You went looking for dumb Internet comments on Reddit and found some? Oh my gooooooooood!
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Violence owns and is hard coded in our reptile brain. Democracy is good at curbing unnecessary violence until we can do full communism.
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