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if you're going to give a company a billion dollars to open a branch in your city, paying them in their employees' income tax isn't a bad way of doing it. at least that way you never pay them more than they would have paid in obviously you shouldn't give a company a billion dollars to open a branch in your city tho
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i dont understand why cities are tossing themselves at companies head-first to get them to move there and then reap none of the rewards
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Nov 26, 2017 02:10
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Fiedler posted:Somebody was watching Robocop and decided OCP's relationship with Detroit was a good idea. "they're supposed to" sounds laughably ominous
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Nov 26, 2017 02:11
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Suspicious Dish posted:i dont understand why cities are tossing themselves at companies head-first to get them to move there and then reap none of the rewards because then you get to run your mayoral election campaign by yelling I GOT 50000 AMAZON JOBS AND MADE BUMFUCK FLYOVER GARBAGE HELL THE SILICON VALLEY OF THE MIDWEST!!!
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Nov 26, 2017 02:12
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Suspicious Dish posted:i dont understand why cities are tossing themselves at companies head-first to get them to move there and then reap none of the rewards rising tide lifts all boats says man chaining himself to the bottom of the river
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Nov 26, 2017 02:12
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like it's obviously not in the cities' best interest for any of these cities but god drat does "I MADE 50,000 JOBS" make a really good 3 second sound bite
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Nov 26, 2017 02:12
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rjmccall posted:if you're going to give a company a billion dollars to open a branch in your city, paying them in their employees' income tax isn't a bad way of doing it. at least that way you never pay them more than they would have paid in maybe just give them a direct corporate tax break instead of taking from the employees like it's disgusting either way, and mathematically equivalent i guess, but man does "take all the taxes from the employees and make that go back to the company again because gently caress you" feel much worse
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Nov 26, 2017 02:14
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these aren’t exactly novel ideas that are being pitched, it’s not like places are whoring themselves out just because bezos came calling. they’d suck a golf ball through a garden hose if it got 5000 jobs, let alone 50k. there’s a certain theory that it’s still a benefit for the municipality because people will move there, those people buy houses, those property taxes will go to the city, etc.
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Nov 26, 2017 02:15
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Bulgakov posted:nasa has had some weird messy 'escape from the launchpad right now because rocket go wrong' plans, like an apc on the ready, but spacex will be the first with a zipline down to a ball pit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0w_xyePC_0
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Bulgakov posted:nasa has had some weird messy 'escape from the launchpad right now because rocket go wrong' plans, like an apc on the ready, but spacex will be the first with a zipline down to a ball pit The Elon Musk zipline would be the goon made child killing zipline.
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Nov 26, 2017 02:16
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at this point i'm pretty convinced that a majority of people in america would vote for a literal rabid baby-eating wolf if it promised them jobs not even good jobs just like, steady employment
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Nov 26, 2017 02:20
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uncurable mlady posted:these aren’t exactly novel ideas that are being pitched, it’s not like places are whoring themselves out just because bezos came calling. they’d suck a golf ball through a garden hose if it got 5000 jobs, let alone 50k. yep. also the jobs created to support those new 50k employees, the spending done by said employees, etc. it's still a toxic idea because it's only going to cause other companies to attempt the same race-to-the-bottom gambit i'm wondering how long it will be until pulling a stunt like this actually has the opposite effect politically. like 'i created 50k jobs!!' is outweighed by 'your motherfucker mayor sold this city out vote for me and i'll put them under a vice' seeing the tech fetishism in my generation probably never
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my favorite fact about this is that after that all happened, the rocket was now live, completely fueled, unbolted from the pad and with a bigass parachute attached to it - everyone was terrified that it was going to fall over and explode because of the parachute tugging at it. and it just stayed that way for hours, because nobody knew what the hell to do about it. one guy even suggested they go out and shoot holes in the side to drain it since that probably wouldn't blow it up 
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Nov 26, 2017 02:23
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ate all the Oreos posted:my favorite fact about this is that after that all happened, the rocket was now live, completely fueled, unbolted from the pad and with a bigass parachute attached to it - everyone was terrified that it was going to fall over and explode because of the parachute tugging at it. the most feared result from the trinity test was nothing, because some poor sap would have to go back to the live nuclear bomb and find out why
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Nov 26, 2017 02:43
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Suspicious Dish posted:i dont understand why cities are tossing themselves at companies head-first to get them to move there and then reap none of the rewards well you're neglecting that tons of those cities aren't actually doing that. the boston proposal, again, just has the city hire some guys for simplified relations with amazon, presumably for things like renovation and building licenses because that's what many other large employers/builders get. many of the other city proposals are like that. or they're very short time limited property tax reductions/exemptions.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:there probably needs to be a prohibition of targeted corporate welfare in every state constitution well you see all of these ping pong tables in our building make this a table tennis facility and furthermore
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Nov 26, 2017 02:59
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:The Elon Musk zipline would be the goon made child killing zipline. was that the one that hit some absurd speed with almost no braking area?
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Nov 26, 2017 03:59
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that’s the poo poo that was treepunk as hell yeah
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Shifty Pony posted:was that the one that hit some absurd speed with almost no braking area? 60+ miles per hour, no braking area at all (dirt wall), and the thread worked out that the guy had overshot the generally accepted safe descent angle for that type of zipline by a factor of nineteen (i.e. he had it at like 47 degrees when usually it should be 2.5)
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Nov 26, 2017 04:12
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quote:proposal: i am going to make a fun zipline for kids at camp
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ate all the Oreos posted:at this point i'm pretty convinced that a majority of people in america would vote for a literal rabid baby-eating wolf if it promised them jobs what if the jobs were as prison guards, but every other month you trade places with the prisoners and they get paid to guard you?
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Nov 26, 2017 04:15
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pseudorandom name posted:what if the jobs were as prison guards, but every other month you trade places with the prisoners and they get paid to guard you? I too have read The Heart Goes Last
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Nov 26, 2017 04:21
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ate all the Oreos posted:maybe just give them a direct corporate tax break instead of taking from the employees i guess the theory is they only get the benefit to whatever extent they actually employ people in the city, so it encourages jerbs otoh 50k people living and working in your city without contributing to the income tax base seems very stupid. in theory it's a net gain if the employees are hired locally and it leads to a comparable reduction in the unemployed population of the city. in practice i'm not trusting politicians to follow an unbiased economic analysis
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one of the finest posts
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fishmech posted:well you're neglecting that tons of those cities aren't actually doing that. i don't think anyone said every city is doing this
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did a kid actually die? where's the thread (do i need archives)?
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cis autodrag posted:did a kid actually die? where's the thread (do i need archives)? the goons smacked sense into the idiot before they opened the thing
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cis autodrag posted:did a kid actually die? where's the thread (do i need archives)? nah they figured it out before ever using it
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my dad made a fairly short zipline when i was a kid and it had like, a rubber end stop and you could get going just fast enough to hit it and swing out at the end and i got really good at letting go right as i swung out and dong this super cool like mid air half-flip and landing on my feet all badass  that's my zipline story thanks
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uncurable mlady posted:these aren’t exactly novel ideas that are being pitched, it’s not like places are whoring themselves out just because bezos came calling. they’d suck a golf ball through a garden hose if it got 5000 jobs, let alone 50k. also sales tax, school district taxes, etc., and the jobs will presumably stick around after the breaks end because once you've got a big headquarters in the area it's really expensive to move — more because of the people who won't relocate than the people who will. companies that abandon a headquarters generally do so because they're massively contracting, and amazon seems like it'll be super healthy for the foreseeable future dropping huge amounts of public money on a stadium is (in addition to all the moral arguments) really dumb because there's very little evidence that stadiums actually contribute very much to the local economy long-term, especially if you're just talking about an upgrade for an existing team. creating temporary tax breaks to entice corporate expansions is still pretty dumb, but mostly just because you're often "incentivizing" behavior that companies were already going to do, and also the point at which you need those revenues the most is actually the time you're not getting them: when the company shows up and starts demanding more local services. but like what boston is proposing seems fine
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cis autodrag posted:did a kid actually die? where's the thread (do i need archives)? it was a goon project, what do u think?
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rjmccall posted:also sales tax, school district taxes, etc., and the jobs will presumably stick around after the breaks end because once you've got a big headquarters in the area it's really expensive to move — more because of the people who won't relocate than the people who will. companies that abandon a headquarters generally do so because they're massively contracting, and amazon seems like it'll be super healthy for the foreseeable future https://twitter.com/abbyangriest/status/934458434803699718
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this is actually a very smart idea Quebec implemented province wide heavily subsidized child care and the effect on the GDP has been ridiculously positive because hey now it makes sense for single parents and parents of lots of kids to go back to work and also all the daycare teachers they had to hire but you don't hear about it because English media can't talk about Quebec positively, I think it's forbidden by the constitution or something
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FrozenVent posted:this is actually a very smart idea the suburbs will never let this happen
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the suburbs shut up real quick when they got told they'd pay $25/week for daycare too
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FrozenVent posted:the suburbs shut up real quick when they got told they'd pay $25/week for daycare too no suburban would ever be happy about knowing that poor minorities are being helped
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Emacs Headroom posted:I know this is like 5 pages old, but there are 2 good reasons for this the problem is that their machine learning and targeting doesn't loving work they offer segments and manual targeting because advertisers demand it. and they will continue to offer it because their poo poo is never going to loving work
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bump_fn posted:no suburban would ever be happy about knowing that poor minorities are being helped
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the trick is to make it happen for everyone, but that kind of requires a widespread social consciousness to do that
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