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Oh, I'm definitely trying out Patriot and Reilly. If nothing else so I can continue watching them. Thanks!
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GobiasIndustries posted:Does it have a lovely ending? One of the reasons I haven't watched it was because I heard it got cancelled and just assumed I'd be left unsatisfied with a cliffhanger or something. It looks like a cliffhanger ending but it's obvious what's going to happen. The main mystery that starts off the show gets solved by the end. It's a good enough ending to me, though I would have loved a second season.
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I'm just starting episode seven of Godless, and it hasn't felt plodding to me at all. I'm really invested in these characters. The kid is a terrible actor, though. e: yeah Terriers ended well enough. drat shame that show never took off.
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Nov 26, 2017 09:28
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Reilly, Ace of Spies is really, really dope. But also dated in a few ways. An incidence of yellowface and a general amount of misogyny. Buy in general, it's very good.
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Mu Zeta posted:It looks like a cliffhanger ending but it's obvious what's going to happen. The main mystery that starts off the show gets solved by the end. It's a good enough ending to me, though I would have loved a second season. Exactly that. The one cliffhanger bit was answered by a writer after it was apparent there would never be a season 2
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Nov 26, 2017 10:23
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Don't bother trying to get someone into BCS if they don't like breaking bad, I don't really see the point and a lot of the nuance is lost I'm not sure, I think BCS stands pretty well on its own and is so outstanding that it could be enjoyed even without having watched BB.
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Nov 26, 2017 11:52
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Yeah, the best parts of BCS, like the whole Chuck/Jimmy relationship, have loving nothing to do with BB. In fact I find a lot of the overt references more annoying than anything - it's worth watching either way.
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Nov 26, 2017 12:04
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Did either of you watch BCS before BB? Not saying that I don't think the show is extremely good, but I don't know anyone who watched the show that hadn't already finished BB. e: and for those who like it who haven't seen BB, I get the feeling it's going to spoil the gently caress out of BB at some point, like watching Episodes 1-3 before the Original Trilogy.
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Nov 26, 2017 13:45
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Snak posted:Reilly, Ace of Spies is really, really dope. But also dated in a few ways. An incidence of yellowface and a general amount of misogyny. Martin Campbell directed a bunch of episodes for Reilly: Ace of Spies. His other big series for the BBC in the 1980s was the thriller miniseries Edge of Darkness with Bob Peck, which should also be checked out. Sam Neill was screen tested to be James Bond on the strength of his performance in Reilly. It ended up not happening, of course.
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GobiasIndustries posted:Did either of you watch BCS before BB? Not saying that I don't think the show is extremely good, but I don't know anyone who watched the show that hadn't already finished BB. No, but I don't really revere BB the way most people do and generally find that the connection between the two shows holds back BCS more than it helps it narratively. The show is definitely constructed in such a way that you don't need to have watched BB to just follow the plot. Also I don't see how BCS would end up spoiling BB that much, it's not like it has a great amount of Star Wars-like twists that would change the entire context of either show. At least I really don't think they are going to go in that direction. BCS is not a particularly plot-heavy show anyway, it's largely a character study held up by brilliant direction and atmosphere. I just think BCS is a way better show than BB ever was and it would be a huge shame for anyone to miss it just because they haven't trekked their way through BB. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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After burning off basically all of season 2 of The Shannara Chronicles, the last episode ends with a cliffhanger and a "will be continued..." I'd be surprised as poo poo if it comes back.
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Everything you mention in that post is kinda... serious. Maybe try some light-hearted things? Braindead is a single amazing season that is very funny, with only some tense moments. If they like politics stuff, Veep and Alpha House are the obvious next steps. Pushing Daisies is flawless and adorable, and if they like it there's also Dead Like Me (though it's definitely not as good). Speaking of Brian Fuller, American Gods might be pushing it, because it does obviously have supernatural stuff, and it gets bloody at times, but it's slow and heavily character focused, so I never thought it got too intense. UnReal might be very hit or miss. If they realize how insane the whole thing is, they'll probably find it hilarious; if they don't it might be too dark. If you're going to stay with serious stuff, my personal pet favourite that has some flaws is ReGenesis, which you can watch on Hulu I think. Hard sci-fi, except biology themed instead of space stuff. Also, this will only last half an hour, so it won't grant you much reprieve, but Dr. Horrible is worth a shot as a funny intermezzo  .
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Hakkesshu posted:Yeah, the best parts of BCS, like the whole Chuck/Jimmy relationship, have loving nothing to do with BB. In fact I find a lot of the overt references more annoying than anything - it's worth watching either way. This most recent season is definitively the best season of BCS and it's at times virtually incomprehensible if you haven't seen BB, especially with whatever Gus or Mike are doing. Maybe before season 3 that was a true statement and you could recommend watching BCS without having seen BB, but definitely not now. Also BCS is great but it is absolutely of the same tonal and thematic piece with BB. Pretending like they're two fundamentally different shows is really silly when they're shot the same way, have the same style, use the same or similar framing narratives, have similar pacing, and have the same tonal perspective. Really, the biggest difference between BCS and BB is that one is pretty action focused and one isn't, but even that's been changed with the most recent season having a fairly heavy focus on action. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Nov 26, 2017 17:46
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I've seen BB and what Mike is doing in BCS is incomprehensible anyway. You don't need to see BB at all to watch BCS.
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How about some Due South? That's all family as hell.
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Snak posted:I've seen BB and what Mike is doing in BCS is incomprehensible anyway. What Mike is doing is "Being Mike From Breaking Bad, Remember Breaking Bad?" Which is maybe even less jarring if you don't, because he would just be mysterious instead of shoehorned in. But yeah you definitely do not need to have seen Breaking Bad for BCS.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:This most recent season is definitively the best season of BCS and it's at times virtually incomprehensible if you haven't seen BB, especially with whatever Gus or Mike are doing. Maybe before season 3 that was a true statement and you could recommend watching BCS without having seen BB, but definitely not now. I'm pretty split about whether knowledge of the connection between BB and BCS is a good thing. BB is this huge cloud that looms over BCS's characters. It lends a huge sense of dread to Jimmy's relationship with Kim and (until very recently) Chuck. It creates plot armor for Tuco, Nacho, Mike and Gus (can't loving die). It constantly invites you to wonder how Jimmy becomes Saul. But maybe that futurity lends a kind of flavor to the show, too. Show's really fuckin' good is what I'm saying.
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Nov 26, 2017 18:25
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IRQ posted:Which is maybe even less jarring if you don't, because he would just be mysterious instead of shoehorned in. Shoehorned in? He's in the show from like the first four episodes. What are you talking about NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Nov 26, 2017 18:29
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Shoehorned in? He's in the show from like the first four episodes. What are you talking about
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Vegetable posted:Mike generally hasn't been integral to the plot of BCS and doesn't have much of a story of his own. The best episode in season one is a Mike solo. Did...did we watch the same show?
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Shoehorned in? He's in the show from like the first four episodes. What are you talking about Shoehorned in as in he doesn't really belong on the show other than to give people something familiar.
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Nov 26, 2017 18:34
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Better Call Saul is a much better show than Breaking Bad, missteps or not.
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I just saw a tv spot for a new X Files season. I guess nobody cares this time around, as apparently it starts in a few days and this is the first I’ve heard if it. Decided to stop watching the last one after the Kumail/Rhys Darby episode, because it was such perfection it seemed pointless continuing.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Better Call Saul is a much better show than Breaking Bad, missteps or not. This is very true. But, yeah, I also agree with the people who think that the more it references Breaking Bad the more it suffers, especially because those references aren't really pushing our understanding of the Breaking Bad characters forward. The only person from the original show that I feel I've gained any more of an understanding of is Jimmy, and that's pretty bad for a character driven drama.
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Vegetable posted:I don't see how one needs to watch Breaking Bad to understand what Gus or Mike are doing. Their stories function perfectly on their own. Can you point to a specific event or behavior that wouldn't make sense without knowing Breaking Bad? The tonal focus of the show is bizarre and confusing in S3 if you haven't seen Breaking Bad, especially the extended Gus introductions (any of them, since there were multiple, from Don't to the highway scene to the fast food intro), especially especially the fast food tracking shot introduction of Gus. If you don't know who Gus is or why he's important to the larger mythos of Breaking Bad it's this weird overfocus on this random, sorta intimidating and compelling (because Giancarlo Esposito is an incredible actor regardless) dude, but if you do know who he is, his relationship to Mike, and the genuine level of malice and violence he brings it brings this whole other textural level to his scenes where you're essentially watching a pot about to boil over and you're just waiting for it to pop. You get none of that sense if you haven't seen BB. I just think it's super weird that TVIV is doing it's, quite frankly sorta childish and annoying intentional contrarian "You don't need to see X and just skip to Y" thing with Whatever Show They Don't Like where every single tv show needs a GameFAQs guide to speedrun through it to get to "the good parts". Especially in the case of Breaking Bad, an entire loving television program, which BCS serves as a prequel to, which is not only, like, a good tv show but objectively speaking one of the best tv shows ever made. Not to mention, again, as I aforementioned, how they're incredibly similar shows from tone to presentation to perspective to characterization, not to mention the latter being a literal prequel to the former. They're incredibly similar shows, and watch Breaking Bad first, the way the shows were designed to be consumed. If you don't like Breaking Bad, you probably won't like Better Call Saul and you'll definitely get way less out of it because it's literally designed as a prequel to Breaking Bad, never mind the, again, extreme similarities between the two programs on every level. How is this a difficult concept to grasp.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:They're incredibly similar shows, and watch Breaking Bad first, the way the shows were designed to be consumed. If you don't like Breaking Bad, you probably won't like Better Call Saul and you'll definitely get way less out of it because it's literally designed as a prequel to Breaking Bad, never mind the, again, extreme similarities between the two programs on every level. How is this a difficult concept to grasp. I think, for me, you definitely should watch Breaking Bad first, as the show will be much richer for it in every way. However... do you HAVE to? No. As the weakest parts of the show without the Breaking Bad knowledge are the weakest parts with it too.
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PriorMarcus posted:I think, for me, you definitely should watch Breaking Bad first, as the show will be much richer for it in every way. The Gus fast food intro and the Mike solo in S1 are among the best parts of the show, and they are absolutely enriched by knowing who the characters are. There's also a ton of just textural, blink-and-you-miss-it stuff like the first time Jimmy calls himself Saul Goodman or the evolving relationship between him and Francesca, which you can't point to specifically, but it's all among the best stuff the show has produced. There are times when the show leans a bit too heavy on the BB references but calling Mike, one of the show's two leads, a "shoehorned in" member of the show when he, again, was the star of its first season's best episode is absurd.
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EL BROMANCE posted:I just saw a tv spot for a new X Files season. I guess nobody cares this time around, as apparently it starts in a few days and this is the first I’ve heard if it. It starts on January 3rd.
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Oh, must’ve misheard the commercial. Still, haven’t seen anyone mention it at all this time around. Obviously not as big a deal as before, but I wonder if it’ll do much in the ratings if it’s against anything vaguely popular.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Better Call Saul is a much better show than Breaking Bad, missteps or not. When I say Mike is shoehorned into the show I hope that doesn't come across as saying the show is in any way bad. I don't know if I'd go this far, but that's only really because BCS isn't done. Season for season BCS is probably better, but man that plane season dragged on BrBa.
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I was thinking about tv shows which were adapted into movies I like recently; I think my favourite one is The Fugitive with Harrison Ford. There were a lot of big movies in the 90s that were adapting tv shows from the 60s. What's the best feature film adaptation of a tv series? I also learned recently that some production company's got a Charlie's Angels movie reboot scheduled to show up in a couple of years. If they reused the cast of the 2016 version of Ghostbusters that would be ideal. Wasn't there a tv reboot of Charlie's Angels a few years ago, and wasn't it really, really bad?
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Wheat Loaf posted:What's the best feature film adaptation of a tv series? 21 Jump Street
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IRQ posted:When I say Mike is shoehorned into the show I hope that doesn't come across as saying the show is in any way bad. I don't know if I'd go this far, but that's only really because BCS isn't done. Season for season BCS is probably better, but man that plane season dragged on BrBa. I'm watching it right now, and it really doesn't. Like, I guess if you're hung up on finding out what the black and white flashforward stuff is, yeah you're gonna be waiting till the end of the season. But it's got tons of poo poo happening. we find out hank acts macho because he's actually insecure. Gretchen finds out Walt has been lying to Skylar and cuts off the money (well, the alibi). The ATM crackhead incident happens. Tortuga happens. Saul goodman gets introduced.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:There are times when the show leans a bit too heavy on the BB references but calling Mike, one of the show's two leads, a "shoehorned in" member of the show when he, again, was the star of its first season's best episode is absurd. Well that wasn't me. What I will say though is that Better Call Saul, to experienced TV watchers, is definitely enriched by all the callbacks and allusions. However, to 90% of the television audience they don't notice them. My mum for example watched all of Breaking Bad and then went immediately into the three seasons of Better Call Saul and had to be reminded of who Gus was when he showed up.
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Lol if you don't think Kim Wexler is one of Better Call Saul's "two leads".
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:This most recent season is definitively the best season of BCS and it's at times virtually incomprehensible if you haven't seen BB, especially with whatever Gus or Mike are doing. Maybe before season 3 that was a true statement and you could recommend watching BCS without having seen BB, but definitely not now. loving what You mean the season whose most action packed episode is in a loving courtroom? Also how is the Mike/Gus stuff even remotely incomprehensible? Everything about their actions is explained entirely within the context of the show. You're right about the stylistic stuff, but how is that relevant to what we're discussing? I didn't say they were dissimilar shows in terms of direction. Lick! The! Whisk! posted:If you don't like Breaking Bad, you probably won't like Better Call Saul And here's a fun one for you, I didn't really like Breaking Bad that much, but I adore BCS. For the record, I am generally against skipping anything, ever. I just genuinely think the two shows stand apart in the ways that actually matter, despite their overt connections. They're fundamentally about two incredibly different characters. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:I was thinking about tv shows which were adapted into movies I like recently; I think my favourite one is The Fugitive with Harrison Ford. There were a lot of big movies in the 90s that were adapting tv shows from the 60s. What's the best feature film adaptation of a tv series? I hate picking one "best" but here's some of the best: The Addams Family, The Man from UNCLE, Dragnet, Blues Brothers, Wayne's World, Mask of the Phantasm, The Naked Gun, Star Trek II, Batman '66.
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IRQ posted:When I say Mike is shoehorned into the show I hope that doesn't come across as saying the show is in any way bad. I don't know if I'd go this far, but that's only really because BCS isn't done. Season for season BCS is probably better, but man that plane season dragged on BrBa.
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Dat Godless finale tho
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