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dexefiend posted:If you charge a unit with 18 flamers... that's 18d6 overwatch shots that always hit, right? That is hilarious. Only if you charge from within range of the flamers.
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Couldn't you also technically just walk/advance into melee instead of charging
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goose willis posted:Couldn't you also technically just walk/advance into melee instead of charging You can't move within an inch of an enemy unit unless you're charging them.
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Nov 26, 2017 23:01
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Oh I didn't know that I haven't had a situation where that rule would've applied
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Safety Factor posted:I hope that's a sign they finally let Dark Angels use cataphractii and tartaros too. What does your heart tell you?
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So in general I think 8th ed is a big win in game design - I do a reasonable amount of system design for LARP games, and the elegance and promise of the 8th ed rules on a read of the core rules and Index Xenos were what lured me back in to 40k after >10 years out. Things certainly aren’t perfect, but I think it’s easy to underestimate how good of a basic canvas 8th ed provides to build balance on top of, and recent codex releases are showing good signs that they have taken 6 months of data and are starting to “get it”. I also feel like I can look at the less well costed factions in the indexes and point to which emergent properties of how 8th ed plays out were what led to things being (mostly) overcosted. If they work at it, and they show all signs of intending to try, I hope that 8th can do great things. They do seem to be falling into a laundry list of traps for a company trying to produce a balanced game in the internet age, though hopefully not badly enough to scupper the project. You have “wedded ourselves to a dodgy design principle” in the idea that you should be able to make a legal matched play army out of anything - how many of the really abusive lists go away if you remove the supreme command and triple Super Heavy detachment? You have “over responsive to internet bitching” - filling a smoking crater with Ynnarri and Commissars comes to mind. Finally, they do seem to be underestimating the speed at which the best possible uses of things in a book can be “solved” when the best players can share everything online. On the other hand I think thee are some good signs. I don’t agree with the Ynnarri nerf, but I think the brutal culling of FW options in chapter approved is a good sign that they’re willing to act to bring a problem under control - I cannot tell you how annoying it was to jump back into the game, read the index and see how relatively well balanced things looked, and then play my first actual game at a club and have my opponent whip out some FW bullshit, and then discover online that pretty much everyone who had played competitively in 7th was using it. It may suck for people who’ve bought in to FW, but I think it displays a relatively good level of savvy to understand that the time when you have a surge of new interest in your game is not the time for all of your existing players to be armed with a less well scrutinised parallel rules system to dunk on new players. I firmly hope that they involve their core rules team in writing new FW rules so that the problem doesn’t arise again. I did have what might be a cool idea (that I’m sure they’ll never do) - they have warhammer world, why not run community play test weekends? Sign up, turn up with as many models of one army as you can carry, sign an NDA, be told “right, here are some rules/points changes we’re trialling, play six games over the weekend, half with the worst nonsense you can come up with out of your army, half with armies we give you, write some good feedback, the people who provide the best feedback get priority booking next time”. I would bite their arm off and even pay them money to get in on that, and once they’d done it a few times I think they’d have a good chance of having a core group of 30-40 play testers who they knew, trusted and could rely on to provide good feedback both at such events and possibly to consult on for proof reading codices etc. Sadly “no good channel for sending suggestions” is one of my current gripes.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:What does your heart tell you? 
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I got to pull out my shiny red space bois to play my first game of 8th! And it was fun! I remember 5th edition being this 3-hour long ordeal, but we got through a 100 PL game in just under 1.5 hours. Beautiful. I brought my 30k 1k Sons (being run as 40k 1k Sons), and they obliterated my friend's SM Primaris army. I think she managed to kill 5 rubric marines by the end of the match? She got salty af, but I enjoyed myself (lol). Oh, and apparently you can't put a Leviathan in a dreadclaw? It was an honest mistake but, if you feel like cheating, it's hilariously effective  Standouts were
Full list was: Ahriman, Exalted Sorceror, 3x 5 man rubric squads with upgrades in the 3cp detachment, and then a normal sorcerer, a sicarin, a deredeo, and a leviathan in a dreadclaw (oops) in one of the 1CP detachments. Opponents list was a bunch of primaris marines, a bigly dread, and a hilariously useless vindicator (I think my icons of flame did more more wounds than this thing did). 8th is good, cheating is bad (but also good), and playing with a painted force is v good.
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dexefiend posted:If you charge a unit with 18 flamers... that's 18d6 overwatch shots that always hit, right? That is hilarious. The first time I did it was with triple flamers that homing beacon dropped into the middle of a bunch of guardsmen squads. His turn, they all walked up, shot point blank, and then charged. None left standing. He really should have backed to just outside 8".
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Way back in 7th I was playing Chaos and my friend was playing Dark Eldar and he was doing warrior-on-raider spam and I had two five-man squads of infiltrating chosen with flamers I managed to get the first turn and he ceded the game after my shooting phase resulted in half his army being killed due to the open-top rule and flamers 
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Moola posted:gently caress MY rear end Tell me more
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SPACE M<ARRIRIIIINES
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Moola posted:SPACE M<ARRIRIIIINES same????
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sorry im hosed up
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For Stealth suits, do you give them fusion or bursts? Commanders with 4 fusions or 3 missiles and advanced targeting? Thanks for all the help, trying to figure out if it's worth it for me. Edit:vvvvvv thanks bro. I think I have 9 old metal stealth suits. Is there going to be any issue using them? dexefiend fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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dexefiend posted:For Stealth suits, do you give them fusion or bursts? For Stealths I give the Shas'vre a fusion, but you can only ever have one fusion per three suits so it's kind of a moot point. For Commanders I think four fusions is the height of meta-gamey bullshit and I avoid it even though I know it's the superior option until the Cyclic Ion Blaster gets unfucked with some decent AP or something. I've been running mine with Cyclic Ion Blasters and Advanced Targeting. It's better against a variety of units, but suffers against hard targets.
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Moola posted:gently caress MY rear end Weclom,,Moola
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Some Objectively Incorrect Dipshit posted:Taudar at the height of 6E/7E were underpowered and Nids were OP. 
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GW does need some credit, imo. Shadespire is a tight, competitive, balanced game. So far. Probably their first really purely competitive game.
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goose willis posted:Oh I didn't know that there's literally eight (8) pages of rules man come the gently caress on
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Moola posted:SPACE M<ARRIRIIIINES
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Moola posted:sorry im hosed up Did you give GW money?
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Moola posted:IM SO hosed Moola posted:gently caress MY rear end Moola posted:SPACE M<ARRIRIIIINES Moola posted:sorry im hosed up 
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Some leaks from White Dwarf on the two Angel codexes: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/white-dwarf-reveals-lieutenants-and.html and http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/dark-angels-and-primaris-marines.html The second one confirms that Dark Angels will get some more codex stuff. They specifically list Hunters, Stalkers, Stormhawks, and Scout Bikers for Dark Angels.
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 I wanted to build Old One EYe. I didn't have any crushing claw bits leftover. But I did have Haruspex claws. I think that almost works better. Just got these two idiots done today, and about halfway through a third. Arms are all magnetized, so turning OoE into a regular fex is pretty easy.
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Moola posted:IM SO hosed Moola posted:gently caress MY rear end Moola posted:SPACE M<ARRIRIIIINES Moola confirmed Biff Tundrish?
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So the second open day was a dud then?
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TKIY posted:So the second open day was a dud then? Basically. Who'd have thought that a leak found on 4chan would be a dud?
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I knew it was too soon for the Lion. Every other Primarch release was preceded by quite a lot of fanfare (Magnus was in the second part of the last warzone supplement, Guilliman was the third part of the 'Gathering Storm' lead up to 8th edition, and Mortarion had literal months of teasers until the Death Guard codex came out) and expecting one to just pop up in three weeks without even a peep before hand is ridiculous. Far more likely that we'll see Leman Russ next since GW has enough time to start putting the marketing gears into motion and even then its entirely likely we won't see any more Primarchs until the 8th edition warzone supplements start dropping.
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Moola posted:gently caress MY rear end
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Finally finished these guys.      
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So I'm assembling my death guard after exploiting some local black Friday deals and while I was in line to buy my stuff one of the store regulars made a comment about chapter approved and how I needed to pick it up so "I could actually use plague marines". I've also seen similar comments in that hellscape called /40kg/. I'm not necessarily into my Death Guard codex being the metagame king but I was curious if this take on plague marines was justified or completely overblown (as I suspect).
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Wrapped up my Trygon Prime, completing the starter box. I'll take some group pics later. This guy won me a small 500 point skirmish tonight so I'm pleased.  
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xtothez posted:As Pendent said, GW are just finding their feet at this. They haven't spent 30 years doing this at all; it was nearly 3 decades of beerhammer and forging the narrative, then only the past year or so has been about designing games actually intended for balanced, competitive play. That said, you're right in that there's a big difference between "can see that there's stuff wrong with the game and what might be causing it," and "can be arsed to actually fix it." It's abundantly clear from the treatment of Orks and (especially) Tyranids for over a decade that GW didn't give a poo poo about competitive play; there were armies that were just not competitive unless you surprised someone with a gimmick. But my hope is that they've figured something out about miniatures wargames - if certain factions don't completely loving suck, people will actually buy them! Shocking! A well-balanced game is good for their bottom line. But right now it feels like they're still sort of flailing around a little bit. Maybe that will smooth out as more codices are released - but then again, historical precedent on that score means I wouldn't bet money on it. EDIT: That's a loving baller Trygon!
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Moola posted:SPACE M<ARRIRIIIINES Moola posted:sorry im hosed up 
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Question with overwatch and flamers and similar weapons. If the range is 8 inches and I charge outside of that do I still suffer overwatch?
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For_Great_Justice posted:Question with overwatch and flamers and similar weapons. If the range is 8 inches and I charge outside of that do I still suffer overwatch? Yes. The flamers still get their autohits. Makes for some real fun when people charge into my d-scythes.
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AnEdgelord posted:So I'm assembling my death guard after exploiting some local black Friday deals and while I was in line to buy my stuff one of the store regulars made a comment about chapter approved and how I needed to pick it up so "I could actually use plague marines". I've also seen similar comments in that hellscape called /40kg/. Well they got a two point discount per marine, and the blight launcher dropped four points - I think that's it. Not a big change at all.
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