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nael posted:Are there any Pro-MRA trans men? I'm surprised I haven't encountered at least one yet. Maybe? There used to be a subculture of trans guy misogynists which is probably still kicking around in some corners of the internet. There was a whole shtick about how being on testosterone made you hate women and performative misogyny being how trans men affirmed their maleness. That's died down in recent years now that trans issues are talked about more. These days, if you say "being on testosterone has made me hate women because that's what being a man is about" most people will look at you like you're nuts (and rightly so). Also, those types of trans guys aren't usually going to be open about being trans, so you're less likely to know about them.
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Pseudo-God posted:I am not a communist (I like owning things) we are coming for your toothbrush
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Communists, famously obsessed about the state owning all things rather than a very specific category of things. 
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MiddleOne posted:Communists, famously obsessed about the state owning all things rather than a very specific category of things. Can't really own personal property if you cannot buy anything because you're in a gulag or a mass grave, though.
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Randler posted:Can't really own personal property if you cannot buy anything because you're in a gulag or a mass grave, though. "Kill and imprison everyone you don't like" - Peter Kropotikin
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Randler posted:Can't really own personal property if you cannot buy anything because you're in a gulag or a mass grave, though. Not everyone ends up in a gulag or mass grave Some people end up winning It's different to the current system because the current system takes longer
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CONTRAPOINTS INNOCENT!!!!!
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Where does this stuff about PJW not leaving his house come from?
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Pseudo-God posted:I appreciate the time you took to write this, and even though I am not a communist (I like owning things), I understand why something like that would be appealing to you. I would suggest that authoritarian systems function to minimize the participation of the populace, however. That's almost tautological. If you take representative democracy but magically set voter turnout to 100%, what do you have? You have, for most of the time, oligarchy. Because people are told they cannot have input into their political system outside of designated election years and that unilateral use of force, like beating up nazis, or striking, or seizing and redistributing property in dire need, is threatening the system. It is a system which, in the case of high engagement, works to disengage people which makes it actively malevolent. Now I'm going to be charitable and argue that there is a reason to have authoritarian systems and that's if you cannot facilitate the communication necessary for mass participatory systems. You couldn't run the roman empire via direct democracy because there would be no practical way to organize it. You could have a huge network of communes but they wouldn't be in very good communication with each other and you'd get a lot of drift between separated ones which would make resource transfer impossible and forming consensus also impossible. But I think that with the advance of technology it is becoming more and more possible to have bigger networks of people communicating effectively. Much like how antifa is able to organize across entire countries on a distributed basis and use travel links to get people where they need to be. This I think is promising for the prospect of highly engaged and highly responsive democracy. Also there's the very key point that I think justifies a lot of stuff and that's that a future where people are free of the oppression of wealth and self appointed rulers and racial prejudice is better than a future where powerful despots genocide sections of the population they don't like while engaging in forever war against everyone else. Which is why communists are good and nazis are bad, hth. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:We just gotta maybe accept that we have yet to figure out the ideal society yet the nordic model is as close as we've got probably.
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Pseudo-God posted:However, consider this. To prevent authoritarianism in its many forms, several social organizations have been formed to counter each of them. Corporate authoritarianism requires a counterbalancing regulatory system, individual authoritarianism requires a vast legal and law enforcement system, state authoritarianism requires oversight and accountability, opposing state authoritarianism requires a military system. All of these systems combined form a vast and complex state which in many ways can't be made smaller without compromising it's function. When you realize how complex the world truly is, it's a miracle anything works at all. Anyone who messes with the system is doing so at their own peril. It's important to keep in mind that antifa generally aren't coming at this problem with your worldview. They aren't making the claim that the systems have failed, they're making the claim that the Nazis marching in the streets are the result of the system functioning exactly as it was meant to, as a tool of entrenched power against justice, rather than the other way around. They don't attempt to "take over," they attempt to deal with a situation that the system you're talking about has decided isn't actually a problem.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Communiwm is as close as we've got probably. FTFY.
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we've never got good communism irl tho.
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Even the Soviets agreed their system wasn't true communism. They felt it was socialism, though (they were wrong  )
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But have we had communiwm? Which I assume is welsh communism. Or is it related to the much vaunted commulism?
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Welsh communism is coffullywm and I will not have you besmirch its good name with your antics.
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I thought you meant the Nordic model was the best you could think of, so at least you're not being unimaginative. OwlFancier posted:But have we had communiwm? The W stands for weaboo, uphold Namtab thought.
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Trump will be an obstacle for the Welsh and their attempts to implement full covfefe.
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Praseodymi posted:I thought you meant the Nordic model was the best you could think of, so at least you're not being unimaginative. when i said as close as we've got i meant what we've actually had as opposed to dreamt up.
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Guavanaut posted:Trump will be an obstacle for the Welsh and their attempts to implement full covfefe. There's a dude in my neighborhood who has a big ol Welsh flag on his car, dunno if he's Welsh or just a Waleaboo.
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Groovelord Neato posted:when i said as close as we've got i meant what we've actually had as opposed to dreamt up. Are you factoring ability to defend itself in that? Because we've have lots of better societies, they've just all been crushed by capitalists or fascists.
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I put all that work into my Laci Green analysis (I typed that poo poo on my phone!!!!!) and no one cares, which is a pretty good summary of the Green situation so I'm not mad at all 
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Lightning Lord posted:I put all that work into my Laci Green analysis (I typed that poo poo on my phone!!!!!) and no one cares, which is a pretty good summary of the Green situation so I'm not mad at all Maybe it was simply that for once no one disagreed?
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Praseodymi posted:Are you factoring ability to defend itself in that? Because we've have lots of better societies, they've just all been crushed by capitalists or fascists. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch was a worker's paradise until the English smothered it. :wales:
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Lightning Lord posted:I put all that work into my Laci Green analysis (I typed that poo poo on my phone!!!!!) and no one cares, which is a pretty good summary of the Green situation so I'm not mad at all Yeah, she’s a people-pleaser who feels a compulsion to find common ground and to make friends and keep the peace, and she’ll give up ground to do it because it’s not a rational desire and is grounded in mormon brainwashing. I pity her, honestly.
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Goon Danton posted:Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch was a worker's paradise until the English smothered it. :wales: https://twitter.com/ChrisMcCusker67/status/934438927531958273
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I didn't know about the miners in Wales, but I can't say I'm surprised. That poo poo happened way more than modern politics likes to admit. I live a stone's throw from Homestead (of Strike fame), and if you go there, the only thing that would let you know what happened is a little historical marker on the edge of a strip mall parking lot.
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OwlFancier posted:I would suggest that authoritarian systems function to minimize the participation of the populace, however. That's almost tautological. If you take representative democracy but magically set voter turnout to 100%, what do you have?
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Which is to say, oligarchy.
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This is apparently a paid event (by which I mean tickets cost $30/$80), put on by a conservative student group, and her being part of essentially a fundraiser for a bunch of chuds... idk it doesn't sit quite right with me
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aware of dog posted:This is apparently a paid event (by which I mean tickets cost $30/$80), put on by a conservative student group, and her being part of essentially a fundraiser for a bunch of chuds... idk it doesn't sit quite right with me What the gently caress Contra  Adding to it from another similar thread Yardbomb posted:This is super hosed up and yeah, Contra's been dumping all my goodwill super hard lately, I don't know what's going on with her all of a sudden but boy, raising money for the Gas The Kikes Racewar Now Foundation is a little far. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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I think the other members of the Youtube Leftist kinda circle need to pull Contra aside and have a chat with her because jfc she's edging dangerously close to falling down the useful-idiot hole for these loving White Supremacist scum.
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aware of dog posted:This is apparently a paid event (by which I mean tickets cost $30/$80), put on by a conservative student group, and her being part of essentially a fundraiser for a bunch of chuds... idk it doesn't sit quite right with me Are we sure it’s a fundraiser and not just a university event? Colleges charge for tickets to Richard Spencer, but he doesn’t get a cut.
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business hammocks posted:Are we sure it’s a fundraiser and not just a university event? The ticketing page says its specifically the club presenting the event and doesn't mention the university itself, so it seems so, yeah.
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Praseodymi posted:Are you factoring ability to defend itself in that? Because we've have lots of better societies, they've just all been crushed by capitalists or fascists. yeah, like, I'm not that well read about anarchist/socialist societies admittedly, but off the top of my head, revolutionary catalonia sounds like it would've been a pretty rad place to live until the fascists and soviets ruined everything it's really hard to make any concrete statements about any of this stuff because the CIA is gonna do their damnedest to smother any potentially promising libertarian socialist societies before they can do much of anything also +1 to wtf contra
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aware of dog posted:The ticketing page says its specifically the club presenting the event and doesn't mention the university itself, so it seems so, yeah. That’s really bad if true and something I’d expect Contrapoints to consider in accepting an invitation. She understands ethics on a professional level.
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