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Bear in mind that even if you're a leftist you can still buy all the guns you want, and you probably should after getting the appropriate training.
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bird food bathtub posted:I think the line from loving over net neutrality to stealing elections is a long, tenuous and tortured one. Dismantling net neutrality is all about letting telecom megacorporations get their return on investment for shoveling money into politicians. It's not the GOP trying to subvert democracy. True they've been working on voter suppression and election steal since before Net Neutrality became an issue.
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socialsecurity posted:True they've been working on voter suppression and election steal since before Net Neutrality became an issue. Yeah but you see, voter suppression is baked in to democracy
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Kilroy posted:Bear in mind that even if you're a leftist you can still buy all the guns you want, and you probably should after getting the appropriate training. A failure to own at least one AK pattern rifle is indicative of a lack of revolutionary vigor.
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Argas posted:Yeah but you see, voter suppression is baked in to democracy To the point that IF a democracy has 100% participation, we assume it's actually an autocracy.
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Nov 27, 2017 12:55
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Chilichimp posted:To the point that IF a democracy has 100% participation, we assume it's actually an autocracy. If you can't get so smashed you forget about democracy you don't live in a democracy.
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Nov 27, 2017 13:04
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Rent-A-Cop posted:In any free state there is always at least one eligible voter too drunk to vote.   Republicans posted:I doubt that much but I'm sure we'll be paying more for worse service. You can see that already with television channels, a lot of them have poo poo that you don't watch baked in that bump up the cost by 30%.
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Nov 27, 2017 13:08
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Office Pig posted:The democrats would never do any such thing. Has something not being likely or even possible ever been a particular barrier to Republicans being afraid of it? bird food bathtub posted:I think the line from loving over net neutrality to stealing elections is a long, tenuous and tortured one. Dismantling net neutrality is all about letting telecom megacorporations get their return on investment for shoveling money into politicians. It's not the GOP trying to subvert democracy. This would be more comforting if you're second sentence didn't immediately invalidate your first, since it simply posits that stealing elections will be the immediate and natural result should the telecoms ever see doing so giving them a "return on investment". Like I agree, I don't think that this is part of their plot to subvert democracy, it's part of their plot to let their allies take over and make loads of money and get loads of power. Just like the media deregulation in the 90s. I don't think subverting democracy was the intent - it's just the natural byproduct. BrandorKP posted:What is the material thing in the world that allows for neo-liberalism? When they set up the systems after the war, what's the first one they set up? When one is critical of this ideology, that pushes for more and freer movement of capital, people, and goods, if that critque does not seem to fit the systems that allows for the movement of goods... then there is a problem with the critque. But blow me off if you want. The problem isn't me blowing you off. It's a fundamental disconnect between the things you claim to be trying to say and the things you are actually saying. Seriously, dude, introspect a little bit. Work on fitting your arguments into the conversation actually being had, try to understand the things people are saying and then say things that make sense. That's all I'm asking. I'm not blowing you off - you are just not saying things that actually cohere, so there's nothing I can get out of them without a tortured and mangled hypothetical interpretation that might have nothing to do with whatever it is you are aiming for.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:A failure to own at least one AK pattern rifle is indicative of a lack of revolutionary vigor. AK rifles were manufactured by a state capitalist country to perpetuate a system of imperialism and economic exploitation, hth
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Nov 27, 2017 16:30
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Ironically we also have mandatory voting with a moderate fine. But true patriotism is showing up to vote while incredibly drunk.
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Nov 27, 2017 16:51
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Rent-A-Cop posted:In any free state there is always at least one eligible voter too drunk to vote. So nationalize booze?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:In any free state there is always at least one eligible voter too drunk to vote. It is actually pretty common for Democracies to ban the sale of alcohol on election day.
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Nov 27, 2017 17:43
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Nov 27, 2017 18:06
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I have a few suggestions about where the rich could go
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I though the rich were all building doom bunkers in New Zealand
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FuturePastNow posted:I have a few suggestions about where the rich could go https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1H83mAqO6_XcHAU6Hp6tj_JkZqew&hl=en_US&ll=48.865392000000014%2C2.3208620000000337&z=17
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Ytlaya posted:It's kind of strange that you're specifically bringing international regulation of shipping into this, though. It's something I know very well and from the beginning I've been thinking about this technocrat conversation in terms of it. I wear a lot of hats in my proffesional life. Occasionally one hat is as a proffesional appointed by a nation state to carry out it's international treaty obligations and national laws. Hell forget me as an individual, there are whole bodies that do that, mostly non-profits that fit some of the descriptions of technocrat presented. Are not the classification societies technocratic bodies? Ytlaya posted:Like, this sort of reminds me of when I'd see people complaining about finance fat cats around the time of the financial crisis and thought "man these people don't know anything about the way the industry works," and I was often correct in thinking this. But, at the end of the day, their opinion was still more correct than mine, despite having less information. At the end of the day, you have to balance the experience of being involved in an industry with the inherent bias that goes along with it. I find that the best source of information is often the minority of people who are opposed to an industry despite having experience in it. These people aren't always correct - there might be some personal vendetta involved or something - but you can usually tell pretty easily if what they say is valid. It's also helpful to listen to people sort of "adjacent" to the industry. To use finance as an example, this could be people who study finance academically (and have never worked in the industry) or people who used to work in the industry and aren't likely to ever work there again. People who are both defensive of the industry and actively involved in it are generally too biased/compromised to be useful sources. This isn't to say they're wrong, but just that there's no way to really ensure they're reliable. You should at least seek out the sort of people I mentioned to corroborate their perspective. It's not that I'm trying to be defensive. It's that what I see doesn't fit with what many of you are describing as "technocrat". I fit some (but not all ) of the definitions presented. I do take a bit of offense in that. Especially when I've been out in the rain all night, making sure hazardous isn't going to gently caress up everyone's day. Ytlaya posted:By the way, as a side comment I'm sorry if my earlier post came off as really condescending. Don't worry about it. I unintentionally come off like a dick all the time. I'm sorry if I do. GlyphGryph posted:Seriously, dude, introspect a little bit. Work on fitting your arguments into the conversation actually being had, try to understand the things people are saying and then say things that make sense. That's all I'm asking. I'm not blowing you off - you are just not saying things that actually cohere, so there's nothing I can get out of them without a tortured and mangled hypothetical interpretation that might have nothing to do with whatever it is you are aiming for. What's being said in the thread doesn't make full sense in my context. Those awful technocrats spreading neoliberalism, that doesn't describe the people I work with, whose mission is to save lives. But I'm sympathtic to and agree with many of points being made. Of course I'm not going to be coherent. That's not a bad thing. Your response ,well fine you go work that out, isn't irrational either. But my context is the systems that allow international trade to happen. It's a problem that what you have to say didn't fit what I see.
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BrandorKP posted:Those awful technocrats spreading neoliberalism, that doesn't describe the people I work with, whose mission is to save lives. This is exactly the bias that Ytlaya was talking about, where they worked in finance and thought "No, the finance system can't be bad, look at all these great people I work with!"
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WampaLord posted:This is exactly the bias that Ytlaya was talking about, where they worked in finance and thought "No, the finance system can't be bad, look at all these great people I work with!" Finance doesn't keep the explosives from blowing up in transit.
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BrandorKP posted:Don't worry about it. I unintentionally come off like a dick all the time. I'm sorry if I do.
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Nov 27, 2017 21:53
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BrandorKP posted:Finance doesn't keep the explosives from blowing up in transit. That doesn’t change the validity of regulatory capture, which is a real phenomenon.
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Guess who just got caught trying to make another selectively edited video? This guy:  A woman approached The Post with dramatic — and false — tale about Roy Moore. She appears to be part of undercover sting operation. There's a lot more in the link and it's interesting reading, but it seems O'Keefe is doubling down on Moore by trying to smear the accusers against him.
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dammit came here to post that it turns out that you should probably delete your gofundme saying you're headed to work for project veritas before you go to work for project veritas
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I say we start a gofundme to shoot Shkreli, O'Keefe and Spencer into space. And leave them there.
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Koalas March posted:I say we start a gofundme to shoot Shkreli, O'Keefe and Spencer into space. Is Space X or Virgin Space doing charity/humantarian space flights? Might be able to get them to don't for free if we can prove the net good it would cause.
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Koalas March posted:I say we start a gofundme to shoot Shkreli, O'Keefe and Spencer into space. Stop polluting space. we have a perfectly good ocean they can be thrown in, or perhaps a very deep mine, or a volcano. If you put them in space then someone will likely find them again one day.
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I just read this and was coming to post it. The article does a good job of showing how journalists work and check sources and verify things. Phillips is the false accuser, McCrummen is the journo. "Again, Phillips had arrived early and was waiting for McCrummen, her purse resting on the table. When McCrummen put her purse near Phillips's purse to block a possible camera, Phillips moved hers." lolling for days, gently caress you James O'Keefe
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Koalas March posted:I say we start a gofundme to shoot Shkreli, O'Keefe and Spencer into space. #gogetthosegestapos
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Instant Sunrise posted:Guess who just got caught trying to make another selectively edited video? O Keefe's wingnut welfare slush fund paid him $317k last year.
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In other Net Neutrality news, people over on Tumblr have been reporting that Net Neutrality posts are disappearing from their dash. Additional testing shows that after ~20 minutes the tag automatically unfollows. Reddit's got posts about it, people are reblogging it on Tumblr like crazy, and there's an Imgur post discussing it. Tumblr's owned by Oath (AOL + Yahoo merged) which in turn is owned by Verizon. But it's OK guys we don't need Net Neutrality, companies will be 100% transparent right?
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It's gonna be a real bummer when someone competent starts doing O'Keefe-style ratfucking.
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Republicans posted:It's gonna be a real bummer when someone competent starts doing O'Keefe-style ratfucking. Any news organization worth their salt will figure this poo poo out by doing due diligence. Like, that's literally what journalism is. Determining what is true and what's total bullshit.
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Republicans posted:It's gonna be a real bummer when someone competent starts doing O'Keefe-style ratfucking. Like the Russians?
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Democrazy posted:That doesn’t change the validity of regulatory capture, which is a real phenomenon. I don't disagree. But it still works different in shipping. Captured or absent regulatory systems in shipping cause things to blow up in a literal sense. See ningbo and tianjin. The insurance side has a strong stake in keeping the independant organizations independent. Unrelated Krugman posted an incredibly good graph about financial regulation in this article : Voodoo Too: The GOP Addiction to Financial Deregulation https://nyti.ms/2k0lnFh
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BrandorKP posted:I don't disagree. But it still works different in shipping. Captured or absent regulatory systems in shipping cause things to blow up in a literal sense. See ningbo and tianjin. The insurance side has a strong stake in keeping the independant organizations independent.
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khy posted:In other Net Neutrality news, people over on Tumblr have been reporting that Net Neutrality posts are disappearing from their dash. Additional testing shows that after ~20 minutes the tag automatically unfollows. Almost real time cencorship is pretty wild. LOL this cyberpunk future sucks.
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PhazonLink posted:Almost real time cencorship is pretty wild. Ajit Pai is also apparently suffering from Harassment. https://twitter.com/BrendanBordelon/status/934418166620524544 I don't condone this but honestly I really am having a difficult time working up any sympathy for him either.
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khy posted:Ajit Pai is also apparently suffering from Harassment. He shouldn't have as much power as he does, congress can save him.
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RuanGacho posted:He shouldn't have as much power as he does, congress can save him. They can, but will they? Most have long ago been bought out by big companies and support anything that lets the corporations line their pockets.
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