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Hand Row
May 28, 2001
I used to work at Kohls corporate and knowing what their Black Friday numbers were, I can't imagine the disaster this may be for Macys.

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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
My Black Friday experience this year: I saved £6.10p on a amazon warehouse toaster because of a 20% off on Black Friday thing, that I was going to get anyway because my old toaster kept blowing the main house fuse. It is the only toaster being sold in the UK especially designed for normal sized sliced bread.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Canadian retailers keep trying to hype up black friday here but it doesn't work out because they don't give the big discounts like in the US and people here also just don't seem to give a poo poo.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

FistEnergy posted:

Probably gonna be some fun 'retail is dead' stories in about a week, after the Black Friday numbers come in.

There were already some damage control articles this week to downplay expectations

DACK FAYDEN posted:

not-USPol crosspost:

That's genuinely unfortunate for Macy's.

Hahaha

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
My Black Friday experience is staying up until 12:01 to buy a new toaster oven from frys.com. Retails for $120, discounted to $30, not many reviews about it good or bad because it's a brand new design. It took 17 minutes for the order to process.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
My retailer experience of Black Friday in the UK.

Sent 2 eCommerce e-mails that took all of 35 minutes to produce. received over 1000% higher daily takings.

noyes
Nov 10, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
my experience of black friday: weeping silently while a gathering of strangers whipped my rear end with a vacuum hose

snoo
Jul 5, 2007




my husband works in a small store (but still a national chain) and their normal sales are about $3,000-$4,000, more or less. they stayed open two hours later for black friday and their corporate expected $8,000.

they made less than $2,000. :nallears:

e: this is really funny to me but I know they're just gonna use it to cut hours and gently caress over everyone

snoo fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Nov 25, 2017

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

The Snoo posted:


e: this is really funny to me but I know they're just gonna use it to cut hours and gently caress over everyone

Literally anything can be an excuse for this.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

noyes posted:

my experience of black friday: weeping silently while a gathering of strangers whipped my rear end with a vacuum hose

Working retail sucks

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




got any sevens posted:

Working retail sucks

My father has worked 20 Thanksgivings in a row, retail blows.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

The Snoo posted:

my husband works in a small store (but still a national chain) and their normal sales are about $3,000-$4,000, more or less. they stayed open two hours later for black friday and their corporate expected $8,000.

they made less than $2,000. :nallears:

e: this is really funny to me but I know they're just gonna use it to cut hours and gently caress over everyone

In store purchases were by all accounts very low in the UK yesterday, however online was mega.

TyroneGoldstein
Mar 30, 2005
I got a nice pair of Timberland leather insulated gloves yesterday for like 60 percent off at Macy's. I love the Macy's near me. That said, the traffic wasn't actually that bad yesterday even around 2 pm...and I live in metro NYC.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



My Black Friday experience?

Arriving at the local mall only to find the whole parking deck and the normally-empty back lot completely filled and thinking to myself "gently caress this, I'm heading back home."

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

His Divine Shadow posted:

I have to say I don't recognize myself at all in most of your lives. I don't have amazon prime, I've never used uber, never bought stuff on black fridays etc etc. I've built and live in a house with the intention of spending the rest of my life here, I've had the same job for 15 years. Sometimes I feel like I'm partially outside the flow of the world, but in a good way.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I guess I'm happy for you that you're a unicorn.

It's rare indeed to find a job that continues to exist, with raises that meet or beat inflation, for 15 years and doesn't subscribe to the up-or-out management philosophy.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
UNIONS

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I'm genuinely ashamed to say that I recently started a retail job for lack of any better prospects and one of the training modules was quite literally one of those propaganda reels wherein they try to dissuade you from joining a union because IT WILL GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND ARBITRATE BY YOURSELF (while failing to point out that one single worker has no leverage regardless). It was all I could do not to get up and walk out of the room. The sad part is that I am totally, honestly, genuinely sure that that probably works on a lot of people, especially Americans, because they have been conditioned for decades by social bullshit to be terrified of anything collectivist.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

JustJeff88 posted:

I'm genuinely ashamed to say that I recently started a retail job for lack of any better prospects and one of the training modules was quite literally one of those propaganda reels wherein they try to dissuade you from joining a union because IT WILL GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND ARBITRATE BY YOURSELF (while failing to point out that one single worker has no leverage regardless). It was all I could do not to get up and walk out of the room. The sad part is that I am totally, honestly, genuinely sure that that probably works on a lot of people, especially Americans, because they have been conditioned for decades by social bullshit to be terrified of anything collectivist.

It works on a lot of people because it is literal propaganda being force-fed down their throats by their employers.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Liquid Communism posted:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I guess I'm happy for you that you're a unicorn.

It's rare indeed to find a job that continues to exist, with raises that meet or beat inflation, for 15 years and doesn't subscribe to the up-or-out management philosophy.

We're like 10 people total at this company, so that helps.

E: I remember when I started working their, my employer gave me the signup papers for the union, because everyone has to be in a union.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

MiddleOne posted:

It works on a lot of people because it is literal propaganda being force-fed down their throats by their employers.

Also because of a very valid fear that the employer will just fire everyone if they try to unionize.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Liquid Communism posted:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I guess I'm happy for you that you're a unicorn.

It's rare indeed to find a job that continues to exist, with raises that meet or beat inflation, for 15 years and doesn't subscribe to the up-or-out management philosophy.

I’m guessing that both his Devine shadow and I live in the arse end of nowhere with house prices significantly below average. My 3 bed semi is worth £100k, average national price is 300k, and in London it would be about £800k.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Liquid Communism posted:

Also because of a very valid fear that the employer will just fire everyone if they try to unionize.

You can't really have a functioning authoritarian regime if you don't expel dissenters now can you? :v:

Sorus
Nov 6, 2007
caustic overtones
We were busier than normal on Black Friday which was super strange because that's usually a day we catch our breath before the next sprint to another eating holiday.

We lost a poo poo ton of money though for Thanksgiving because someone in charge of category at corporate hosed up and we ran out of fresh turkeys 2 days before the holiday.

Noctone
Oct 25, 2005

XO til we overdose..
I stopped by a JC Penney this evening out of morbid curiosity and holy poo poo that place was a disaster.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

learnincurve posted:

I’m guessing that both his Devine shadow and I live in the arse end of nowhere with house prices significantly below average. My 3 bed semi is worth £100k, average national price is 300k, and in London it would be about £800k.

I got municipal land for super ultra cheap and since then this place has taken off, so my place is worth more than we put into building it at the moment. But we weren't building a house, we were building a home.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

His Divine Shadow posted:

I got municipal land for super ultra cheap and since then this place has taken off, so my place is worth more than we put into building it at the moment. But we weren't building a house, we were building a home.

Old house was bought at auction. I got a loan secured on my parents house, rather than a mortgage. It was dirt cheap because it was basically a shithole that people buy to flip or rent out. Slowly did it up, sold it at auction again, paid off the rest of the original loan and bought this bigger, nicer, house at auction with what was left.

People forget that house auctions exist, and that not everything in there is four walls and a leaking roof. Banks sell repossessed houses and the gubberment/police sell confiscated property. Banks are also far more likely to give you a loan than a mortgage, and as a bonus your loan is fixed rate and you don’t get charged for paying it off early.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

HEY NONG MAN posted:

Like just go in your back yard and light a fire in the fire pit and hangout in the cold together. You could probably get drunk and high too and it would be fun.
That is also terrible.

I went out on Black Friday to get a handful of things, and I was a little bewildered. I remember when every chain was offering huge deals on tons of merchandise that was falling off the shelves, and it was insanely crowded--although those sales were partially because everyone was broke. This Black Friday the sales were unremarkable and it wasn't very crowded in my city. The only place with long lines was Best Buy, and it was way down from a few years ago. I go to Best Buy maybe twice a year, so I was also surprised by the shift to mobile devices and home automation. Last time I was there to buy a cable, the new Blu-Ray releases were the first thing you see when you walk in.

Have the big box adjusted to the retail contraction? The local Kohl's used to have literal heaps and piles of merchandise marked down 75% or more to get it off the shelves, but no longer.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

Halloween Jack posted:

That is also terrible.

there is nothing more human than getting shitfaced sitting around a fire for the hell of it

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I was worried when my wife wanted a fire pit, until we clarified that she wants to sit outside for awhile, roast marshmallows, and then go back inside, not sit in a circle staring at a fire for seven goddamned hours like some weirdos I know.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
meanwhile, amazon marches on

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

boner confessor posted:

meanwhile, amazon marches on



Maximum laziness in product design. Though I'm sure someone will buy one as a novelty.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I’m not sure I want to meet that target demographic, or let them near my children tbh.

SeductiveReasoning
Nov 2, 2005

382 BC - 301 BC
It's made by a bot, guys.


cf. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/tldr/2017/7/10/15946296/amazon-bot-smartphone-cases

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Nonsense posted:

HEB makes the rest of American grocers look like Soviet food depots.

Wegman's would like a word. :colbert:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

CFox posted:

As someone that inherited a ton of those old, solid, real wood furniture pieces I can pretty safely say that your children/grandchildren won't want it since it's huge and heavy and the style clashes with what we actually like.

Unless it's mid century modern, that poo poo is timeless.

My parents are actively trying to get rid of a whole set of MCM furniture that they'd inherited from their parents.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

learnincurve posted:

Old house was bought at auction. I got a loan secured on my parents house, rather than a mortgage. It was dirt cheap because it was basically a shithole that people buy to flip or rent out. Slowly did it up, sold it at auction again, paid off the rest of the original loan and bought this bigger, nicer, house at auction with what was left.

People forget that house auctions exist, and that not everything in there is four walls and a leaking roof. Banks sell repossessed houses and the gubberment/police sell confiscated property. Banks are also far more likely to give you a loan than a mortgage, and as a bonus your loan is fixed rate and you don’t get charged for paying it off early.

People are well aware. They simply lack the capital. Most banks aren't going to give them tens of thousands of dollars unsecured outside of a mortgage loan to speculate with, as buying 'as-is' property is fraught with risk. Especially when you are intending the property as a primary residence, and can't just write it off if it is discovered to need, say, several thousand more dollars of asbestos remediation, a new roof, or foundation repair.

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

learnincurve posted:

Old house was bought at auction. I got a loan secured on my parents house, rather than a mortgage. It was dirt cheap because it was basically a shithole that people buy to flip or rent out. Slowly did it up, sold it at auction again, paid off the rest of the original loan and bought this bigger, nicer, house at auction with what was left.

People forget that house auctions exist, and that not everything in there is four walls and a leaking roof. Banks sell repossessed houses and the gubberment/police sell confiscated property. Banks are also far more likely to give you a loan than a mortgage, and as a bonus your loan is fixed rate and you don’t get charged for paying it off early.

Okay, a couple questions here:

1. How did you get a loan secured on your parents house? As in, you put up your parents house as collateral?
2. Dirt cheap...can you be more specific? Are we talking $20,000, $50,000 , $100,000?
3. "Slowly did it up again"...how slowly? How much time and money did you spend to get it into shape? Like, theoretically, if someone spends $10,000 on supplies, and works 10 hours a week (on average) for two years fixing a house up, and makes $40,000 dollars profit on it, then what they have is a part-time job where they make 15,000 dollars a year. I mean, in that example, it isn't a bad deal, but I would have to know exactly how much money and time it takes to do it.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

glowing-fish posted:

Okay, a couple questions here:

1. How did you get a loan secured on your parents house? As in, you put up your parents house as collateral?

Yes, that is exactly what he did.

Sorus
Nov 6, 2007
caustic overtones

Nonsense posted:

HEB makes the rest of American grocers look like Soviet food depots.

I mean, sure. My company is poo poo. And the merger with Giant didn't really help things.

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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Okay, a couple questions here:

1. How did you get a loan secured on your parents house? As in, you put up your parents house as collateral?

Exactly this, I’m in the UK so I don’t know how American laws work. It meant instead if having to borrow money for a deposit from my parents I just had to promise to keep up on the payments.

2. Dirt cheap...can you be more specific? Are we talking $20,000, $50,000 , $100,000?

Loan was £50k. House was £35k plus the fees and it sold for £180k

3. "Slowly did it up again"...how slowly? How much time and money did you spend to get it into shape? Like, theoretically, if someone spends $10,000 on supplies, and works 10 hours a week (on average) for two years fixing a house up, and makes $40,000 dollars profit on it, then what they have is a part-time job where they make 15,000 dollars a year. I mean, in that example, it isn't a bad deal, but I would have to know exactly how much money and time it takes to do it.

The house was livable in but needed everything in it replaced, electrics, central heating, roof, kitchen were the main ones. Cost around £50k total over 10 years and I payed other people to do it. It could have been done in 2 years and a lot cheaper if I didn’t have children.

Warning, you have to know or have somone around you who really knows thier poo poo when it comes to inspecting houses. You also see a lot of very cheap houses that will be shells, don’t be tempted, wait until a better one comes up, you may be out bid on that one but not on the 4th one.

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