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fridge corn posted:Knowing what we do of Leia, a woman who is completely fearless in front of darth vader, do you not think she would be able to handle someone like Han? You don't think she wouldn't crack him one round the jaw if she really didn't want him going there? You give her too little credit. I know you mean well but your reading of the scene is unfortunate. I suggest maybe educating yourself a bit on the matter and having another look at it. It absolutely is a product of its time, and a product of being a scene in a film (as opposed to being an observed occurrence in real life). You'll note that pretty my my first comment on the matter was something to the effect of "This plays a bit differently in 2017 than it did in 1980"
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jivjov posted:1) ableist slurs aren't necessary; we're talking about some films here. Like... I am not sure I want to continue your awful derail and soapboxing, but I've read the post you quoted with this, and uhhh... I can't find any "ableist slurs" in it? You have my affirmative consent to explain it to me though. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AlternateAccount posted:Like... I am not sure I want to continue your awful derail and soapboxing, but I've read the post you quoted with this, and uhhh... I can't find any "ableist slurs" in it? You have my affirmative consent to explain it to me though. fridge corn posted:retards
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Aha, thanks. For some reason I was hung up on the physical. Like someone making a joke about Luke giving a high five after being rescued in ESB.
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The film portrays a relationship in which the woman is in denial about being attracted to the man in spite of his annoying qualities, and the man correctly intuits that this is the case and pressures her uncomfortably into acknowledging that their attraction is mutual. Since the movie was made, there is an increased awareness of the fact that a leading cause of rape is garbage dudes wrongly thinking they're in the same kind of situation as Han, when in reality they're delusional creeplords who are getting away with a crime through coercion. The film, interpreted in the current social context, takes on a different meaning than it did at the time of its release. We know this because a more sincerely romantic interpretation was commonplace within living memory. Contemporary films increasingly include depictions of unambiguous consent in order to preempt the increasingly easy "delusional creeplord" interpretation of their male leads. And I say: good. Bongo Bill fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Mark Hamill is the world's dad.
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And with that, I am no longer tired of these Star Wars.
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Star Wars...heh...what a great franchise.
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[quote="Lincoln" post=""47877846"] [/quote] Jabba is a hermaphroditic slug creature with a sexual attraction to humanoid females, not a hermaphroditic slug creature with a sexual attraction to humanoid males. This attempt to redefine Jabba as a homosexual character is just the latest example of SJW's ruining Star Wars. Non-traditional sexualities have no place in this franchise. Jabba is a straight sexless masculine-identifying Hutt with a vore fetish, and he should stay that way.
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Cnut the Great posted:Dude I want to defend the Han/Leia romance on the grounds of it being inherently a fantasy and not necessarily something intended to be emulated in real life The scene is neither fantasy nor something to be emulated in real life. The point of the scene is simple characterization: Han is a misogynist, in the same way Quigon Jinn is a racist. Before you leap into moralistic value judgment here, you must first accept that this is simply true. From there, you can point out how C3PO plays a structural role in the relationship narrative: “When the lovers meet for the last time at the desolate train station in David Lean’s Brief Encounter, their solitude is immediately disturbed by Celia Johnson’s noisy and inquisitive friend who, unaware of the underlying tension between the couple, goes on prattling about ridiculously insignificant everyday accidents. Unable to directly communicate, the couple can just desperately stare in front of themselves. This common prattler is the big Other at its purest: while it appears as an accidental unfortunate intruder, its role is structurally necessary. When, towards the film’s end, we see this scene for the second time, accompanied by Celia Johnson’s voice-over, she tells us that she did not listen to what her friend was saying, not understanding even a word of it – however, precisely as such, this prattling provided the necessary background, a kind of safety-cushion, to the lovers’ last meeting, preventing its self-destructive explosion or, even worse, its turn into banality: the insignificant prattling has to go on in order to prevent the catastrophe, so the intruding friend arrives exactly the right moment. That is to say, on the one hand, it is this very presence of the naïve prattler which ‘understands nothing’ of the true tension of the situation that enables the lovers to maintain a minimum of control over their predicament, since they feel compelled to ‘maintain the proper appearances’ in front of this gaze. On the other hand, one should recall that, in a couple of words the lovers succeed exchanging in privacy prior to being interrupted, they come to the edge of confronting the unpleasant question: if they really love each other so passionately that they cannot live without each other, why don’t they simply divorce their spouses and part together? The prattler arrives just at the right moment, enabling the lovers to maintain the tragic grandeur of their predicament – without this third intruder, they would have to confront the banality and the vulgar compromise nature of their predicament. The shift to be made in a proper dialectical analysis is thus the one from the condition of impossibility to the condition of possibility: what appears as the ‘condition of impossibility,’ as the obstacle, is a position, enabling, condition to what it appears to threaten.” -Zizek It’s no coincidence that Leia only reciprocates at the point where Han is about to be permanently removed from the picture.
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Can we change the thread title to If this Corellian YT-1300 light freighter's a-rockin', don't come a-knockin' plz and thx
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Thursday night on ABC is something called The Wonderful World of Disney: Magical Holiday Celebration is airing, and on that show is brand new TLJ footage. I’m hoping One Bean Cannoli, Karate Farmer, Door Ladder and Paul Saltines make an appearance.
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UmOk posted:Goons don't require that. They just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. They don’t even wait. And when you’re a scoundrel, they let you do it. You can do anything. i like this post also im putting a stop to this discussion by saying that han solo and leia scene is at the edge of being "not ok" but its ok and totally legal Blade runner sex stuff is not ok, deckard should've not done that Wild Horses fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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Rian Johnson will be answering questions through the Star Wars Twitter account in a few minutes. Not sure if anything good will come out of it, but maybe he'll at least drop a nugget about his new trilogy? https://twitter.com/starwars
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Teek posted:Rian Johnson will be answering questions through the Star Wars Twitter account in a few minutes. Not sure if anything good will come out of it, but maybe he'll at least drop a nugget about his new trilogy? So what did he say?
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banned from Starbucks posted:So what did he say? He said, "PIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS".
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It really disturbs me how similar Adam Driver's emo Kylo Ren is to Hayden Christensen's emo Anakin Skywalker.
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There’s a really cool 3D printer store at the mall that makes neat stuff to put in the storefront window:   
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viral spiral posted:It really disturbs me how similar Adam Driver's emo Kylo Ren is to Hayden Christensen's emo Anakin Skywalker. Pretty sure that's the purpose
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banned from Starbucks posted:So what did he say? Not a whole lot. https://twitter.com/i/moments/935668632746463232 In other news, Daisy Ridley gave an interview and said she was done with Star Wars after Episode 9. Who knows what that means for Rey in another sequel trilogy, but could just be smart $$$ talk so Disney backs up the dump truck in the future. Teek fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Teek posted:Not a whole lot. https://twitter.com/i/moments/935668632746463232 I mean, the trilogies are kind of supposed to be a generational thing. If Disney wants to keep with the spirit of the series it wouldn't make much sense to immediately launch into another sequel trilogy with all the same characters, unless they wanted to put Daisy in old age makeup. And it would still feel kind of artificial. The past two trilogies really have felt like they were separated by a generation from the original movies because they were made so long after, but an immediate sequel sequel trilogy wouldn't. Maybe that's why Disney is dipping its toes into doing trilogies unconnected with the main saga. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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UmOk posted:Pretty sure that's the purpose I know. Disney isn't known for originality. I'll still see it, regardless. However, here's hoping they go balls to the wall and have Rey become Kylo's apprentice as portrayed in the trailer. It's not going to happen, though. 
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I'm not sure how intentional the similarities between Kylo and Christensen's Anakin are. As we talked about earlier, take away the cool mask and JEJ's voice, and what you unavoidably get is a guy who comes across like a moody adolescent. For all I know, that's something Abrams discovered by accident.
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Jewmanji posted:U2 on the cover of Rolling Stone? Has that ever happened before? Not sure if this is a joke post. U2 were huge in the 80s and early 90s.
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Cnut the Great posted:I'm not sure how intentional the similarities between Kylo and Christensen's Anakin are. As we talked about earlier, take away the cool mask and JEJ's voice, and what you unavoidably get is a guy who comes across like a moody adolescent. For all I know, that's something Abrams discovered by accident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAtnU2a1u0&t=390s
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Cnut the Great posted:I'm not sure how intentional the similarities between Kylo and Christensen's Anakin are. As we talked about earlier, take away the cool mask and JEJ's voice, and what you unavoidably get is a guy who comes across like a moody adolescent. For all I know, that's something Abrams discovered by accident. He cast Adam Driver, who's pretty much the canonical moody perma-child for the 2010s. Abrams was definitely leaning into it.
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Cnut the Great posted:I'm not sure how intentional the similarities between Kylo and Christensen's Anakin are. As we talked about earlier, take away the cool mask and JEJ's voice, and what you unavoidably get is a guy who comes across like a moody adolescent. For all I know, that's something Abrams discovered by accident. Or he could've just watched the prequels
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Cnut the Great posted:I'm not sure how intentional the similarities between Kylo and Christensen's Anakin are. As we talked about earlier, take away the cool mask and JEJ's voice, and what you unavoidably get is a guy who comes across like a moody adolescent. For all I know, that's something Abrams discovered by accident. I think having the villain as some dumb adolescent with daddy issues (with the intentional look of a hipster) was probably pushed by Disney, too. They mostly do bland villains in favor of the protagonists. Just look at the MCU.
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