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CommonShore posted:From reddit: What I like about examining older stories is that we can look at history and fables and realize that the past was really hosed up and didn't give women agency even in stories. When we look at folklore tale #69 we realize that forcing a kiss on someone or raping them is horrible so we modify the story to give the woman agency. Then we can have stories like The Fifth Element (bear with me here) that make declarations of love as equal as older folklore tales that used a sleeping woman or rape as the reason for why they lived happily ever after. poo poo changes. We don't look at wars of conquest as the natural order of things anymore so why should we look at folklore and think that we should still be able to make out with someone without their consent. The only people who get bent out of shape about it are salacious dill holes that mutter "Well, I mean there's nothing else to be done hehehhehehehe, I guess I have to RAPE her to dispel the curse!"
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No surprise that the Princes are resorting to that sort of thing - they probably have a lot of difficulty finding someone considering they probably smell terrible after loving all those corpses. They just got lucky and found one that was actually not dead.
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Thank you for explaining the Veritas thing. Thought it had something to do with the Verrit Twitter thing. Maybe it does? 
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Bombadilillo posted:Implied consent exists in relationships too anyway. You can walk up behind your wife and kiss the back of her neck and give her a spank. If she's not into it you stop. The people who don't understand consent are ironically really touchy when it comes to their own consent- they often tend to be physically possessive of their stuff (flip out if a roommate borrowed their egg beater even though they cleaned it and put it back afterward) and often pretty drat homophobic as well. I mean if they woke up to a guy kissing and fondling them I'm sure they would panic and freak out so why wouldn't a woman in that situation? Of course the big thing here is that they are unable to connect between the two things or show empathy for others.
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CommonShore posted:I think that the point they want to make is that nonconsentual sexual contact is good for women and it helps them. I'm friends with the artist, and someone asked him if the joke is how the Prince shouldn't have been considerate He responded: "I intended the joke to examine how dark/creepy the premise of a celebrated children's fairy tale is." Womp womp
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Nov 28, 2017 20:18
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fables are neat, and talking about how hosed up they are though a modern lens is played out attention seeking behavior
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hawowanlawow posted:fables are neat, and talking about how hosed up they are though a modern lens is played out attention seeking behavior No
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Nov 28, 2017 20:26
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why don't you give your spiel to your bored uncle at christmas dinner?
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Nov 28, 2017 20:28
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Perhaps there are multiple types of critique that can be employed with respect to analyzing media!
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Mak0rz posted:Comas cured by kisses from strangers: a thing that is real and happens in real life A wealthy man of high status seriously considering the personal agency of a sleeping woman? Now that is a fairy tale! 
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Brawnfire posted:Perhaps there are multiple types of critique that can be employed with respect to analyzing media! yeah, maybe one that's less fuckin played out
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hawowanlawow posted:yeah, maybe one that's less fuckin played out From where I'm standing, the position of the social lens is constantly shifting, thus continually adding nuance to the interpretation of older stories, but if that's not how you feel, that's fine. I just feel like this same line of reasoning could be used to torpedo, say, most feminist critiques of literature.
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Everyone in Greek mythology was a monster. Like, the actual monsters were more trustworthy than the Gods and heroes. loving Jason, man.
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Brawnfire posted:From where I'm standing, the position of the social lens is constantly shifting, thus continually adding nuance to the interpretation of older stories, but if that's not how you feel, that's fine. I just feel like this same line of reasoning could be used to torpedo, say, most feminist critiques of literature. I doubt even the most passionate people in academia want to read another critique of a fuckin fairy tale
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Rick_Hunter posted:Then we can have stories like The Fifth Element (bear with me here) that make declarations of love as equal as older folklore tales that used a sleeping woman or rape as the reason for why they lived happily ever after. Corben tries to kiss Leeloo while she's sleeping and she pulls a gun on him for trying that stunt.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Corben tries to kiss Leeloo while she's sleeping and she pulls a gun on him for trying that stunt. "Care to translate?" "Oh, she said, 'Never without my permission.'"
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Volcott posted:Everyone in Greek mythology was a monster. Like, the actual monsters were more trustworthy than the Gods and heroes. To be fair, if Jason wasn't such a poo poo we wouldn't have Medea, the baddest bitch ever to have a starring role in a tragedy.
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Werong Bustope posted:To be fair, if Jason wasn't such a poo poo we wouldn't have Medea, the baddest bitch ever to have a starring role in a tragedy. She also had a rad Christmas movie 
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hawowanlawow posted:fables are neat, and talking about how hosed up they are though a modern lens is played out attention seeking behavior Calm down, edgelord.
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Bombadilillo posted:Implied consent exists in relationships too anyway. You can walk up behind your wife and kiss the back of her neck and give her a spank. If she's not into it you stop. No sir, I get consent forms signed in triplicate before I even hold my SO's hand. No false claims against this guy!  Some idiots think this is how consent is "supposed" to work
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I stopped reading before it all apparently went to poo poo plot-wise (the last one I bought was Arabian Nights and Days, which I liked), but I liked Fables the graphic novel series. They had some neat ideas based on the myths in question, even if it sometimes got really weird, like Goldilocks shagging (now full grown) Baby Bear.
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Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a prince, they let you do it. You can do anything.
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hawowanlawow posted:I doubt even the most passionate people in academia want to read another critique of a fuckin fairy tale Why not, if you want to exam shifting societal trends they make a great jumping on point, especially with how fairy tails themselves have changed over the years based on said trends.
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Werong Bustope posted:To be fair, if Jason wasn't such a poo poo we wouldn't have Medea, the baddest bitch ever to have a starring role in a tragedy. I think she'd rather have a non-poo poo husband and intact children, personally, but being rad as hell is a good consolation prize.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Why not, if you want to exam shifting societal trends they make a great jumping on point, especially with how fairy tails themselves have changed over the years based on said trends. because I'm sure it has been done a million times this year already I said it was played out from my very first post, and y'all keep acting like I'm saying it's irrelevant and not just boring as gently caress
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hawowanlawow posted:because I'm sure it has been done a million times this year already take your own advice and shut up
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Yawgmoth posted:and you keep posting like it's not the most played out whinging in the known universe see, couldn't y'all just make this post from the beginning instead of putting words in my mouth? this guy has a spine at least
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Volcott posted:I think she'd rather have a non-poo poo husband and intact children, personally, but being rad as hell is a good consolation prize. I dunno, cutting up relatives was kinda her gimmick. Stone cold.
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hawowanlawow posted:because I'm sure it has been done a million times this year already You know that you don't really have to care if other people critique old stories with a modern lens. hawowanlawow posted:see, couldn't y'all just make this post from the beginning instead of putting words in my mouth? this guy has a spine at least Oh gently caress off.
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hawowanlawow posted:see, couldn't y'all just make this post from the beginning instead of putting words in my mouth? this guy has a spine at least Great, now seriously, shut up.
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hawowanlawow posted:because I'm sure it has been done a million times this year already Oh poo poo sorry, guess I was confused because I personally find it kind of interesting and responded as such, but next time I'll just tell you to Yawgmoth posted:shut up
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hawowanlawow posted:because I'm sure it has been done a million times this year already Everything has been done a million times, who loving cares about petty poo poo like that
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hawowanlawow posted:fuckin played out https://twitter.com/KELLYWEILL/status/935335673380397056
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lol I think I hit a nerve
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hawowanlawow posted:lol I think I hit a nerve
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god bless america  Grraarrgghh posted:This is the best thing https://twitter.com/illMakeit/status/831128450169700354
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BioEnchanted posted:"Care to translate?" "Oh, she said, 'Never without my permission.'" I love the tone she uses. She's not scared, confused, or even surprised. She's loving pissed, and repeats herself slowly like you would to an impaired child that doesn't understand why you can't write on the walls with poop or sexually assault sleeping women.
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Eric Trump is pretty dumb. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a1d98b8e4b00c8a328dbce1?ncid=APPLENEWS00001
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