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Improbable Lobster posted:Atlas has been ignoring LGBT people for years and I doubt that's going to change any time soon. Japan is still very conservative. Japan is conservative because the average age is like 50 but those aren't the people playing videogames
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Manatee Cannon posted:what flaws were more obvious as the femc? I can't think of anything that was worse or felt off about that route except ken This Shinjiro's portrait: 
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Improbable Lobster posted:Atlas has been ignoring LGBT people for years and I doubt that's going to change any time soon. Japan is still very conservative. no, the people who make persona are very conservative. Japan kind of is too, but there's plenty of Japanese games with decent gay stuff. Like Persona 2.
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Nov 29, 2017 08:13
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i hate bigotry. also the japanese are all homophobes.
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Nov 29, 2017 08:15
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Am I bigot if I hate everyone in this thread
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Nov 29, 2017 08:17
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i think the solution to everyone in this thread's problems is to stop playing poo poo games like persona or watching poo poo anime like persona and start watching badass stuff like akuma no riddle and playing badass stuff like kindred spirits. peace.
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Nov 29, 2017 08:20
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chrono trigger is good
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Nov 29, 2017 08:28
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I really dislike Persona 5. The Fighting system is boring as hell and there are way too many dialogues. Also it reminds me of Pokémon because of all that Persona hunting.
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Nov 29, 2017 08:29
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Y'all gotta play a real Chin Megoomi Tensai game 
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Nov 29, 2017 08:36
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Out of the PC emulatable ones where should I start? I was thinking Nocturne.
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Basing all your conclusions about an entire culture off of a random JRPG company being shitheads is moronic and some of the poo poo people have said these past few pages is insanely racist and also not really material to the point. There's gay and trans positive poo poo from Japan from 1995, and at this point in Japan there is a slow but growing acceptance of homosexuality and transsexuality. There are a variety of reasons why it's not immediately reflected in all of its media ever. Atlus is an old company with heads that are old, you can see this in everything from Persona using fairly outdated school systems to, yes, its attitudes towards LGBT stuff. Furthermore, you have to understand how these things are categorized in nerd media in Japan. 'Yuri' and 'Yaoi' are genres onto themselves - they run in magazines specifically dedicated to them, their marketing heavily features these things even if it's just implied. On the one hand, this means that there's a thriving corner of the market for independent creators who want to tell these stories - on the other hand, the stories told can be repetitive and 'safe' due to needing to appeal to fairly small demographics. Likewise, it means that companies that are bigger than those small magazines don't feel any need to pander to them, feeling that their needs are met. There is an abundance of incredibly well-written LGBT media in Japan, and this stuff has been published for years and actually made money off of, but you have to go to the places that are specifically designated for it, which means there's little cross-pollination with more 'mainstream' things. Combine that with a conservative company like Atlus and you get the situation with Persona. Similarily, unlike in America where a series' target demographic is generally associated with the gender of its protagonist, Japan doesn't really make that assumption. This isn't even a recent thing - Gundam is and always has been insanely popular with women ever since it first aired, and its only recently that women have dropped off. List of gundam series with female protagonists: 0. List of gundam series where the women even do that much: Like, Turn-A. And when they wanted to reach that demographic again, they hired a female writer known for her dramas... who made a story where the entire main cast is male save for one character. And it wasn't a breakthrough success, but it was decently popular with women. Likewise, sports anime like Haikyuu and Slam Dunk - things where the roles for female characters are extremely limited just because they're about male sports teams - are *insanely* popular with women these days, to the point that they've basically supplanted the male fanbase in the eyes of the people who promote and publish those series. So a female protagonist is not a decoder ring to tapping into a female fanbase. If you spend five minutes watching video of Persona live reveals and stuff, listen to the audience. Lots of female cheering. And who do they cheer loudest for? The male self-insert protagonist. Yu, Minato, and Akira are all incredibly popular with women. And Persona already *has* been pandering to a female fanbase in this method. Adachi was insanely popular with women, so they added stuff that gave him and Yu interactions and made him more sympathetic, and made him playable in Ultimax, and played up his tension with Yu in the Golden anime. Goro is basically a calculated attempt to achieve that kind of popularity in a slightly more marketable character - a teenage boy who does bad stuff but at least isn't a serial rapist. And it worked, from what I've seen - the male fanbase is ambivalent towards Goro or outright hates him, but most women I've seen - especially on Japanese boards - love him. Japan is a very conservative country, I'm not arguing that, but you do have to actually understand the ways in which it is conservative and the ways in which what marketing thinks and what the audiences expect differ from the US, instead of just going 'no female main character? they must hate women and not want them to play these games!" For the record, I want a female protagonist too, all the female characters in P5 get really shafted except Futaba, and the director of P3-P5 is a gigantic creep. also be sure to go to rainbow burrito in japan if you want a good gay burrito.
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Nov 29, 2017 08:41
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if anyone wants recommendations on jrpgs with good gay stuff, anime with good gay stuff, manga with good gay stuff, or burritos with good gay stuff, hmu
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Nov 29, 2017 08:43
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Give me all of the above OP
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Nov 29, 2017 08:52
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the games are all in japanese, the anime is about girls and not boys, the manga only has three chapters, and i already mentioned the only gay burrito in the world
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Nov 29, 2017 08:54
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Yeah, women like reading about two two men loving but women also want to gently caress the hot men so just let them have their female protags!!
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Nov 29, 2017 08:56
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gently caress, I was into gay stuff about girls way before guys, gently caress but I'm used to it, I somehow doubt this
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Tired Moritz posted:Yeah, women like reading about two two men loving but women also want to gently caress the hot men so just let them have their female protags!! DisDisDis posted:gently caress, I was into gay stuff about girls way before guys, gently caress but I'm used to it, I somehow doubt this
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Nov 29, 2017 08:59
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Oh god I had forgotten about how Double House exists and how hosed up it is that more of it doesn't exist. These are fresh wounds for me! I swear I'm gonna get around to Wixoss eventually. Once I catch up on Symphogear...
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Nov 29, 2017 09:07
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I read it for the first time this year!!! I'm mad!!!
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Nov 29, 2017 09:10
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Thank you for the good post, Endorph
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Endorph posted:if anyone wants recommendations on jrpgs with good gay stuff, anime with good gay stuff, manga with good gay stuff, or burritos with good gay stuff, hmu Yuri on Ice
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I've clocked about 60 hours into SMTIV as my first megami tensei game and I've got to say, I love the pokemon-on-steroids recruitment and combat system, but don't so much enjoy how this game basically expects me to know the geography of Tokyo with really obscure instructions on where to find the things I need to complete a quest.
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:I've clocked about 60 hours into SMTIV as my first megami tensei game and I've got to say, I love the pokemon-on-steroids recruitment and combat system, but don't so much enjoy how this game basically expects me to know the geography of Tokyo with really obscure instructions on where to find the things I need to complete a quest. Luckily Apocalypse actually has a usable map.
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Gaius Marius posted:Luckily Apocalypse actually has a usable map. Unluckily diving in Apocalypse straight after IV is a good recipe for burnout.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Yuri on Ice 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepXZN3Pw8o https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/935893663057551365
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Dehry posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepXZN3Pw8o 
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Dehry posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepXZN3Pw8o I feel like this was a foregone conclusion anyway but good on them for confirming it
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I've been playing P3P and it seems... really easy? I don't know if it's just because I've played through 4 and 5 but it seems easier than those (which weren't that difficult anyway)
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If SMTV sells well, guarantee you we'll get the Persona 5 Deluxe Edition whatever on the Switch (and all the rest). Heck, probably independent of sales, they'll wanna get it on there. I know I'd probably buy Persona 5 again if I could get it portable.
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Pablo Gigante posted:I've been playing P3P and it seems... really easy? I don't know if it's just because I've played through 4 and 5 but it seems easier than those (which weren't that difficult anyway) If you've figured out P4's combat system P3P has very little challenge, yeah. It's already easier than vanilla P3.
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Pablo Gigante posted:I've been playing P3P and it seems... really easy? I don't know if it's just because I've played through 4 and 5 but it seems easier than those (which weren't that difficult anyway) P3 was built around all of your party members being AI controlled. It is much much easier when you can control them in P3P.
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Nov 29, 2017 17:23
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Pablo Gigante posted:I've been playing P3P and it seems... really easy? I don't know if it's just because I've played through 4 and 5 but it seems easier than those (which weren't that difficult anyway) P3's wasn't terribly difficult to begin with, but backporting P4's battle system and throwing things like skill cards in just shatters the difficulty.
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Nov 29, 2017 17:24
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Do I need fusion booster or the level cap breaking dlc to summon Satan in smtiv, or is he a special case where I can summon him anyway?
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Nov 29, 2017 17:29
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I'm still really enjoying it and it's cool to see how the systems have evolved in 4 and 5, and sometimes I don't mind being able to steamroll through a game. I was just surprised
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Nov 29, 2017 17:49
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The challenge in P3P is not falling asleep in Tartarus.
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Nov 29, 2017 18:05
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Endorph posted:if anyone wants recommendations on jrpgs with good gay stuff, anime with good gay stuff, manga with good gay stuff, or burritos with good gay stuff, hmu What's in the burrito and where can I get it?
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irlZaphod posted:The challenge in P3P is not falling asleep in Tartarus. Do you mean IRL. Because I think you can't actually get tired in game until you leave
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