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NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

Just caught up with the thred

:lol:

# ? Nov 29, 2017 10:54

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# ? May 21, 2024 18:01

Strangler 42: Jan 8, 2007; SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Dark Off posted:

~~ben~~ roberts fat

Edit: hey CIG peon reading this thread! Flag this post and forward it to Sandi for review!

Strangler 42 fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Nov 29, 2017

# ? Nov 29, 2017 10:54

Orange Carlisle: Jul 14, 2007

This game is going to kill Erin and Chris is going to laugh all the way to the bank/director's chair for his next lovely B-movie bomb

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:16

lazorexplosion: Mar 19, 2016

pay2qa

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:18

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

hot balls man no homo posted:

Edit: hey CIG peon reading this thread! Flag this post and forward it to Sandi for review!

Sandi looked pretty baked in the video.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:19

Sandweed: Sep 7, 2006; All your friends are me.

To be fair none of the transactions you can do in Star Citizen can be classified as micro.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:20

Rugganovich: Apr 29, 2017

Dusty Lens posted:

Hey I get it.

Sounds like a gas. :wink:

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:24

kilus aof: Mar 24, 2001

Mirificus posted:

I'm the game company that is going to sue my customers that dare to ask for a refund on my years long delayed game with no clear path to release.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:51

Star: Jul 15, 2005; Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.; Fallen Rib

One of my favorite things about this shitstorm is the loop between CIG promising utopian gameplay components to get cash, then having to try and deliver them to backers, which they invariably fail, forcing them to promise even more things to get more money so that they can try and continue development, and so on. They will never be able to catch up.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 11:57

no_recall: Aug 17, 2015; Lipstick Apathy

Citizens just keep funding this thread?! As long as Star Citizen remains in development, our laughs will never end.

Buy a 890J!

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:16

Golli: Jan 5, 2013

no_recall posted:

I must've missed the memo. Could you explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIz3klPET3o

Hall of the Mountain King. Pro click

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:18

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Even as new laffs are born with all the pomp and circumstance of a star, old laffs slowly spread through the cosmos.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/935822288318017536

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:18

VictorianQueerLit: Aug 25, 2017

The Kins posted:

Even as new laffs are born with all the pomp and circumstance of a star, old laffs slowly spread through the cosmos.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/935822288318017536

Someone should tell this guy that you can't use the gift cards for things like the land sales either.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:27

Golli: Jan 5, 2013

The Kins posted:

Even as new laffs are born with all the pomp and circumstance of a star, old laffs slowly spread through the cosmos.

https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/935822288318017536

I think it's lazy-cute that a gift card has PC requirements associated with it. Because in a sane world, the giftee could purchase a Star Citizen t-shirt with their gift card, if they didn't actually want the game.

Golli fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Nov 29, 2017

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:31

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/TheFaithslayer/status/935833209933389825

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:32

Incitatus: Dec 16, 2005; The Meat Man was out of wings, Mr. William Ash More!

How long until different currencies that have real time exchange rates and you pay real money to exchange currencies? I, for one, can't wait to take out a loan from the virtual bank in UEE Dunning-Krugerrands to take advantage of a favorible exchange against Vanduul currency.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:35

AbstractNapper: Jun 5, 2011; I can help

SelenicMartian posted:

The AtV ending is amazingly bad. Chris and Sandi sing.

Exceptionally tone deaf singing, that sounds like a Decepticon powering down.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:37

Toblakai: Jul 11, 2017

TheAgent posted:

its so weird seeing almost the exact same thing happen to every shitshow game over the last decade

hear about another game new game that will finally do everything

get hyped to gently caress with all the cool never done before features

get super into poo poo, like knowing every loving thing about everything and each individual devs name

start thinking the developers are some unknowable creatures that have godlike skills for attempting such groundbreaking things, they must, they have to

defend every poor or dumb design decision with "it's in alpha/beta/early access/the first week, don't worry, they'll fix it"

defend every poor performance, crash or generally buggy poo poo with "it's in alpha/beta/early access/the first week, don't worry, they'll fix it"

upon release, shout over the people with valid complaints with "yeah, well, I'm not experiencing any real bugs and I'm having a ton of fun"

as the playerbase starts to die out, make posts or comments like "I'm glad those people are gone, they aren't contributing anything to the community anyway"

something then happens to trigger you the gently caress out, like the head of the company leaving or your favorite gameplay feature getting nerfed or the company is intending to charge or give away feature x

start attacking that one issue over and over and over again because you've been a staunch supporter for years at this point

get banned on the official forums

flip the gently caress out even harder on every possible social media account you have

post a long winded "well this is it guys. after x amount of time/x amount of money spent, I'm done with the company and this lovely game"

here about another new game that will do it right this time

get hyped to gently caress with all the cool never done before features

Yep, FTR has still to do the last two steps of the above list.

Scruffpuff posted:

Someone can buy all the same poo poo for $20, and now, instantly, they've got what the other dude spent 180 hours unlocking. I think the guy who drops $20 is making the smarter choice. If his earning potential is just $15 an hour, and he chooses to work during the time he's not grinding, he saved $2685 by just buying the loving thing. The first guy is basically saying that his time is worth just over 10 cents an hour.

...
Time, on the other hand, is an immutable constant that nobody can affect. Even the nolifer has to spend the time. They can spend more at once, and more often than the average player, but the time gets spent regardless. Whereas in a true P2W environment, the guy dropping the cash literally time-travels past everybody into the endgame. There is an income level where that becomes not only attractive, but actually the better choice. Particularly if the grind is long, boring, and unfun.

Absolutely agreed, time is one of the resources, that you cannot replenish.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:42

drluv: Feb 25, 2016; Please do not undercut me in front of the child.

So, what they are telling us now is basicly "These claims are essentially preordering the paperwork and beacon to claim a parcel of land, which you still have to hunt down and prospect", which translates to: "The Space-Tax-Simulator is doing pretty good!". Neat.

Bonus quote: "This isn't a "pay 2 win" mechanic any more than purchasing a ship is." Everything is fine. Calm down everybody. PC gaming is saved yet again.

drluv fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Nov 29, 2017

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:47

Wuxi: Apr 3, 2012

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Someone should tell this guy that you can't use the gift cards for things like the land sales either.

Wait, what?

Isn't that, like, super illegal?

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:54

drluv: Feb 25, 2016; Please do not undercut me in front of the child.

Wuxi posted:

Wait, what?

Isn't that, like, super illegal?

No one can hear you sue in space.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 12:57

Golli: Jan 5, 2013

Wuxi posted:

Wait, what?

Isn't that, like, super illegal?

No you see - despite its product labeling a gift card is actually not a "gift card" you are actually making a pledge on behalf of someone else, like donating to a charity in someone else's name. And anyway, you don't have to use the gift card to play the game. It's all optional and since the recipient isn't out any money even if they don't use it, what difference does it make :reddit:

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:09

Wuxi: Apr 3, 2012

Golli posted:

No you see - despite its product labeling a gift card is actually not a "gift card" you are actually making a pledge on behalf of someone else, like donating to a charity in someone else's name. And anyway, you don't have to use the gift card to play the game. It's all optional and since the recipient isn't out any money even if they don't use it, what difference does it make

You could've just said 'yes'

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:23

Wuxi: Apr 3, 2012

But I'm glad you didn't

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:24

Iafeth: Jul 17, 2017

Scruffpuff posted:

Someone can buy all the same poo poo for $20, and now, instantly, they've got what the other dude spent 180 hours unlocking. I think the guy who drops $20 is making the smarter choice. If his earning potential is just $15 an hour, and he chooses to work during the time he's not grinding, he saved $2685 by just buying the loving thing. The first guy is basically saying that his time is worth just over 10 cents an hour.

Isn't it the main reason to play games like WarFrame? If you are not enjoying grinding for a frame or weapon - what's the reason to pay for them in the first place?

Iafeth fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Nov 29, 2017

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:26

PederP: Nov 20, 2009

Iafeth posted:

Isn't it the main reason to play games like WarFrame? If you are not enjoying grinding for a frame or weapon - what's the reason to pay for them in the first place?

Why do people not at the cutting edge of progression raid in MMOs (while complaining it's a boring grind)?

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:39

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

The Agent_Mothman shill bot is malfunctioning, can someone restart it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7gcanh/i_think_the_land_claiming_system_sounds_great/dqi101z/

Edit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7gcrik/honest_conversation_about_land_claims/dqi38hb/?context=3

Daztek fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Nov 29, 2017

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:42

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

FailureToReport posted:

Yes. Just look at any time people attempt to brigade the SC sub from SC Refunds....

But when you're the developer for ScamCitizen the rules don't apply. Welcome to /r/SC , aka Spectrum Lite

You've got that rear end-backwards. Nobody in /r/screfunds has ever done that.

Go gently caress yourself, with your revisionist history.

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# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:51

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

Hahaha.

So CIG's research into "how far can you push credulous idiots before they realise they're being scammed" is reaching its final phase I see.

How is their funding looking for this month? Are they clawing back some of their deficit despite shoving their foot so far in their mouth?

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:51

Nyast: Nov 14, 2017; BLAZING AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT

NoMas posted:

so you cant build anything without owning that ship too? wow.

But but but.. you can acquire that ship with in-game credits! So it's definitely not P2W !

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:54

Wuxi: Apr 3, 2012

Chalks posted:

Hahaha.

So CIG's research into "how far can you push credulous idiots before they realise they're being scammed" is reaching its final phase I see.

How is their funding looking for this month? Are they clawing back some of their deficit despite shoving their foot so far in their mouth?

What does your heart tell you?

There is always more and it is always worse

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:55

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014

TheAgent posted:

its so weird seeing almost the exact same thing happen to every shitshow game over the last decade

hear about another game new game that will finally do everything

get hyped to gently caress with all the cool never done before features

get super into poo poo, like knowing every loving thing about everything and each individual devs name

start thinking the developers are some unknowable creatures that have godlike skills for attempting such groundbreaking things, they must, they have to

defend every poor or dumb design decision with "it's in alpha/beta/early access/the first week, don't worry, they'll fix it"

defend every poor performance, crash or generally buggy poo poo with "it's in alpha/beta/early access/the first week, don't worry, they'll fix it"

upon release, shout over the people with valid complaints with "yeah, well, I'm not experiencing any real bugs and I'm having a ton of fun"

as the playerbase starts to die out, make posts or comments like "I'm glad those people are gone, they aren't contributing anything to the community anyway"

something then happens to trigger you the gently caress out, like the head of the company leaving or your favorite gameplay feature getting nerfed or the company is intending to charge or give away feature x

start attacking that one issue over and over and over again because you've been a staunch supporter for years at this point

get banned on the official forums

flip the gently caress out even harder on every possible social media account you have

post a long winded "well this is it guys. after x amount of time/x amount of money spent, I'm done with the company and this lovely game"

here about another new game that will do it right this time

get hyped to gently caress with all the cool never done before features

Early Access in a nutshell

# ? Nov 29, 2017 13:58

intardnation: Feb 18, 2016; I'm going to space!

welp airspace is next.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 14:00

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010; Can't post for 6 hours!

Iafeth posted:

Isn't it the main reason to play games like WarFrame? If you are not enjoying grinding for a frame or weapon - what's the reason to pay for them in the first place?

Oh baby, just being able to buy the gear in Warframe with in game cash (through trading with other neckbeards that will sell them to you for a pittance to finance their potato addiction) doesn't mean you are free from the grind in warframe. No, the grind has just begun.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 14:03

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Loxbourne posted:

Hi thread!

I was planning recently to write a big effortpost about how Citizens see the world. What their version of G0RF's chart would look like - the high priests at the top, the masses of citizens, the cliques and then across the gulf to goons and refunders and the Anti-Crobbler himself. But it grew a bit big, so I'm breaking a piece off and tossing it to the thread for discussion even if my timing could have been better and the land plots have arrived, holy poo poo.

But I'd like to talk for a moment about something I said in an earlier post. That when Chris sold a big ship, he sold an unstated promise to fill it with players. Players who have to have a reason to want to be an Idris turret gunner rather than buy a ship of their own. Players, in short, who don't actually get to play Star Citizen...

THE FAITHLESS

In other words, the mainstream mass of gamers. People who presumably have only dimly heard of the project until launch day. The people who will flock to the game on the glorious Day of Release, when the clouds open and Chris Roberts descends from Heaven to grant Idrises to the faithful and cast Smart and his Goons into Hell where they shall wail and gnash their teeth as they are never permitted to fly e'en the smallest of Auroras.

A good Citizen is naturally an elitist. He would prefer to disdain the masses as fools, people who turned aside the CRoberts when he preached his message and whose tastes are nowhere near refined enough for the Best drat Space Sim Ever. However, they are caught by a tenet of Star Citizen theology - Star Citizen will be the best game ever and sell millions and millions of copies. The space stations must be bustling and full of players.

Someone must buy your mined space rocks. Someone must gape in awe at your 890 Jump, sometimes even try to attack you (and fail, and be sent to Pirate Jail to think about what they've done).

So the Faithless who buy after release get to be in Outer Heaven (a concept you sometimes see in real no-questions-asked cults). In the �verse, but firmly second class. They can man the turrets. Scrub the hot tubs. Be the redshirts and helm officers and people who report �Vanduul on the scope, Captain!� while the Faithful command from the bridge. There will be entire skillsets (like shield balancing or power management) that the Citizens never touch. But by heck they'll toss peons out the airlock (and out of their orgs) if they don't give their captain full shields when he calls for it in the heat of battle. It'd be like being the healer in a WoW raid if your tank was also paying your salary.

Perhaps, with much grinding and proof of their faith, the Faithless might aspire to own a ship one day (but it had better be after many months of tub-scrubbing). In which case they can be cannon fodder, escort fighters, perhaps pirates and targets for bounty hunters. The people who man all the dozens of planes lined up on the deck of the Citizen's pocket carrier. The people who foolishly charge the Citizens' guns and die so the Citizens can call themselves space aces.

It�s the Faithless who the insurance mechanics are for. A good Citizen has multiple ships and just flies off in another one. But someone with one ship they had to save for years to afford? Get scrubbing that jaccuzi. This is the dark secret of LTI; LTI on a ship means you never run the risk of being reduced down to Faithless level by a run of deaths.

It helps that a Citizen's natural contempt for the masses means he expects the Faithless to log in and immediately become pirates and griefers, because they're such dumb CODdies. They�ll run everywhere in the spaceports and ruin our immersion (so punish them. Ideally by forcing them to spend longer manning our turrets; some nice heavy fines would do it). They don�t understand the game like a Citizen does. Really, it�s what�s best for them and they�ll see that. Come the day.

A good citizen rebels when CIG suggest new players who haven't proven their faith, haven't sacrificed, haven't paid and faced the real-world consequences of paying (a citizen's going to have felt the impact on his wallet of all those ships, after all) might be able to own big ships in less than 100,000 hours. Surely Chris wouldn�t do that. We need people to stuff into crates and introduce to the inevitable consequences of piracy and it sure as hell ain�t gonna be the Citizens, they paid too much to put up with that. Their whole identity is built on being the big people in the �verse. On being whales.

This basically means the average Citizen sees themselves as a kind of MMO slumlord, keeping a horde of Faithless latecomers in poverty to keep their guns manned. It doesn�t occur to a Citizen for a moment that the Faithless might work this out and refuse to buy in. An unspoken tenet of the Cult of Star Citizen is the masses will kneel in awe when the glory of the full game is revealed to them. Kneel and beg for forgiveness, and in their mercy the Citizens will let them load cargo with their bare hands.

People who ask awkward questions about how, exactly, this is going to work get an incredible dose of rage. You're threatening a core tenet of the Star Citizen fantasy.

Seen Space Jam? You know that vision of the future the villain gives Michael Jordan of being chained to a basketball hoop, terrifying children in cinemas across the globe? That's where the faithless, the filthy faithless gamer on the street who didn't buy in when he had a chance, sits in Star Citizen theology.

Enjoy your hot tub.

I read all that, and I'm glad of it! :grin:

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# ? Nov 29, 2017 14:03

FailureToReport: Nov 25, 2017; Warlord in training

Toblakai posted:

Yep, FTR has still to do the last two steps of the above list.

Have you guys heard about this Line of Defense game?

# ? Nov 29, 2017 14:04

Iafeth: Jul 17, 2017

They can sell shares and securities of their imaginary companies like Aegis Dynamics. Buy now, it will be more expensive tomorrow.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 14:05

Mr Fronts: Jan 31, 2016; Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

In space, no-one can hear you wriggle and sigh ecstatically as Chris Roberts' hand slides smoothly across the top of your thigh, over your upper leg, into your hip pocket and - there, yes - deftly grasps the corner of a crisp hundred dollar bill, sliding it out oh so gently from between the receipts and pizza vouchers. Away with it, yes, take it, I want you to. Please, Chris, just promise me you'll meet me in the 'verse, looking up at Daymar's cold sun. Our little patch of land, our little patch of heaven. My heart races as I vow never to go anywhere without a special something nestled in my wallet. For him. For dreams.

# ? Nov 29, 2017 14:05

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

FailureToReport posted:

Have you guys heard about this Line of Defense game?

No, tell me more :allears:

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