G0RF posted:

Chris Roberts knows exactly what he’s doing and what audience he’s targeting. This one is aiming right at the insecurities of his most invested backers, the ones with the most ships and the frailest egos, the ones with the most to lose. This is e-peen insurance sold to you by E-Peen Industries. Roberts wants them to fear the risks — he outlines them and frames the hopelessness of protecting what’s yours without his help.

Beet Wagon posted:

ITT we're citizens brigading reddit to upvote official propaganda. This is my FUD-FIGHTING MUSIC, what's yours?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRLdhFVzqt4

G0RF posted:

It’s worse than that though. Much worse. I’m not the first to point it out but let’s give it the full attention it deserves.

Listen to this. Chris Roberts is unironically laying out the textbook case for a Protection Racket.


Now, listen to Chris Roberts pitch:
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Chris Roberts knows exactly what he’s doing and what audience he’s targeting. This one is aiming right at the insecurities of his most invested backers, the ones with the most ships and the frailest egos, the ones with the most to lose. This is e-peen insurance sold to you by E-Peen Industries. Roberts wants them to fear the risks — he outlines them and frames the hopelessness of protecting what’s yours without his help.

All but stated is the clear message, “You’ll have to sleep sometime. You’ll never be able to keep it safe around the clock. Someone could come and steal it, destroy it, and what could you do to stop them? You can’t really, not alone anyway. But don’t worry because you don’t have to. We’ve got the solution already planned, your own private security force is only a moment away. Buy the claim, place the beacon, and we’ll be there when you need us to protect all you hold dear. Otherwise, well... it’s the Wild West out there and well, it’s really only a matter of time before you lose it all.”

It is absolutely an in-game protection racket, sold by the party who controls all the rules of the Verse. They could define them any way they wanted but they chose a model that makes you vulnerable then monetizes the insecurity caused by the vulnerability they enabled.

”It’s nice to have a family. A man should tJe care, seetgat nothing happens to ‘em.”

Mne nravitsya posted:

They use a lot of contractors for jpeg/marketing art. I know a few of them personally, and they like the pay but hate the approval process because the goal posts never stop moving on a piece, and CIG expecta them to keep iterating on a single piece for weeks (can you light the whole thing from the other direction?) - even though they are paid on a per piece basis.

A couple have said gently caress it, not worth it, and gon back to concepting for real games with real art direction

FailureToReport posted:

I think this is really right on the money. From my time bumping into citizens, one thing I've noticed is that the majority of big whales are also the same people who think the PVP slider is still a thing. Chris has to know he has a huge backer-base of carebears who want to have all the big expensive shiny but not ever actually lose them. What you're describing caters to that userbase flawlessly.

SCtrumpHaters posted:

Dude you know if we had to choose between him or you you'd lose right. Like you barely beat out Seraph and that's just because he's way too into kids, his other posting was more amusing.

Virtual Captain posted:

Closest I could find: It is a soundbyte somewhere around 30 mins into an interview.

quote:

Sunny:
Given the unorthodox financial structure of your company, how does that kind of structure affect a marketing strategy?

Sandi:
Uhm… well… it’s INTERESTING in terms of… I’m always very mindful of the community… uhm… *tch*… I… for exa… for example I flew to Manchester, I got this cheap, SUPER CHEAP TICKET to Manchester, and Chris was like ‘why didn’t you fly BUSINESS’ and I was like, well, I don’t know, I saw this $900 ticket and I thought well, I’ll just fly economy, um, because I don’t want the FANS thinking… and he’s like ‘well FANS don’t even KNOW, you guys you gotta like be COMFORTABLE’, I said yeah but, you know, I think um, *tch*…

VictorianQueerLit posted:

This is why I quit doing design work. Some of my first websites or graphic assets turned into a never ending grueling slog because of the people that hired me.

Sometimes people have no idea what they actually want and they only know that what they have been given isn't good enough. So you get stuck between someone's imagination and reality and become the outlet for the customer's frustration as they try and make the two the same thing.

Mr Fronts posted:

This gimmick account isn't quite hitting the mark.

G0RF posted:

Someone attacks your base or tries to take it from you, essentially they’ll become an outlaw or criminal or wanted.

D_Smart posted:

Well, I'd like to think some (!) of us are cool. Except for MoMa. He's just weird.

AbstractNapper posted:

And furthermore Miles Eckhart looks quite constipated and the long queue of Citizens waiting to get a mission from him is not gonna help on that matter either.

That's why he goes in fetal position sometimes.

Kromgart posted:

Yeah, it will totally work as described, right?

So, player-outlaw-pirate-goon, choose your griefing target:

1) rich whale with a permanent land-base, lots of real moneys 'invested' into the game, who is very afraid to loose his expensive digital property. (Maybe even a streamer )

TheAgent posted:

yeah this is basically going to be UO 2: Griefers Bay

I approve

SCtrumpHaters posted:

What makes you think its a gimmick. Derek sucks rear end. I'd rather have the weird ex citizen dude. That's my opinion.

D_Smart posted:

Well, I'd like to think some (!) of us are cool. Except for MoMa. He's just weird.

TheAgent posted:

yeah this is basically going to be UO 2: Griefers Bay

I approve

Iafeth posted:

Isn't it the main reason to play games like WarFrame? If you are not enjoying grinding for a frame or weapon - what's the reason to pay for them in the first place?

Daztek posted:

Beet Wagon posted:

thedarkeststig posted:

@Kraiklyn_CIG For the record, and I don't know for sure if this was aimed at me though I suspect it was, but I do not at all agree that my comments fit this characterization.
"Empty ranting, venting and repetition of angst against a sale practice doesn't offer anything other than throwing salt around without it being useful/helpful."

Spectrum is insanely garbage but it sounds like Kraiklyn's been having a rough morning.

D_Smart posted:

gently caress it. I laughed.

...but I'm still not buying your schtick. You're a loving broken-brained hypocrite who has just now discovered where the cool kids hang out. And if someone hadn't paid 10 bux so we could laugh at you, my guess is you'd still be peddling your bullshit to the clowns in your lovely YT channel.

So go gently caress yourself.

Toops posted:

This is the Derek equivalent of smiling sheepishly, then saying NO! and giving a light playful slap, then turning away, looking down, and smiling sheepishly again.

Toops posted:

This is the Derek equivalent of smiling sheepishly, then saying NO! and giving a light playful slap, then turning away, looking down, and smiling sheepishly again.

Beexoffel posted:

1.35m - first time I notice that SC uses metric.
Is it for their European customer base? Wasn't Cryengine from Germany, so they have to match up the pixels with the millimeter scale they use to represent meters?

Scruffpuff posted:

There's a reason I considered Warframe a bad example. Due to the way the game is constructed, you can travel through the planets and work the story missions, get more powerful, etc., but you can do it in any warframe you want. If you don't like the starter ones, you can either grind new ones, or pay for them. The warframes are roughly analgous to classes in an RPG. Maybe you don't like the cleric/fighter/mage, so you either grind for or pay for a rogue, and then you play through the storyline with that.

Grinding for new frames isn't really the point of that game - but the more you have, the more you can change up the experience. It's one of the more reasonable monetizing models I've seen, because no matter what you buy, you're not skipping any of the experience.

Toops posted:

If I had devoted the time I spent playing video games to almost anything else, I would be a much more successful person. But when you short-circuit a video game with in-game purchases, even cosmetic, you ruin the soul of your game. There's no moral here, other than video games are for morons.

FailureToReport posted:

Agreed.

I know some people have really mixed feelings on Warframe as a game in terms of gameplay/grind/etc, but I feel like it's one of the fairest Free To Play models I've seen or can think of off hand. The only part of it I don't enjoy is the Mastery Ranks which force you to grind out Frames and Weapons you might not enjoy/ever use again/want in order to use some weapons or mods that you do actually want.

Outside of the mastery rank stuff, I never felt I needed to spend money on warframe at all.

Mr Fronts posted:

I think CIG should go back to implementing functional in-game toilets, but charge US$10 for each pack of toilet rolls.

G0RF posted:

It’s worse than that though. Much worse. I’m not the first to point it out but let’s give it the full attention it deserves.

Listen to this. Chris Roberts is unironically laying out the textbook case for a Protection Racket.


Now, listen to Chris Roberts pitch:
[/b]
Chris Roberts knows exactly what he’s doing and what audience he’s targeting. This one is aiming right at the insecurities of his most invested backers, the ones with the most ships and the frailest egos, the ones with the most to lose. This is e-peen insurance sold to you by E-Peen Industries. Roberts wants them to fear the risks — he outlines them and frames the hopelessness of protecting what’s yours without his help.

All but stated is the clear message, “You’ll have to sleep sometime. You’ll never be able to keep it safe around the clock. Someone could come and steal it, destroy it, and what could you do to stop them? You can’t really, not alone anyway. But don’t worry because you don’t have to. We’ve got the solution already planned, your own private security force is only a moment away. Buy the claim, place the beacon, and we’ll be there when you need us to protect all you hold dear. Otherwise, well... it’s the Wild West out there and well, it’s really only a matter of time before you lose it all.”

It is absolutely an in-game protection racket, sold by the party who controls all the rules of the Verse. They could define them any way they wanted but they chose a model that makes you vulnerable then monetizes the insecurity caused by the vulnerability they enabled.

”It’s nice to have a family. A man should tJe care, seetgat nothing happens to ‘em.”

ManofManyAliases posted:

Hi Smart. I see you constantly pegging me to say something.

Fine - I'll take the bait: Can I ask what you have to call today?

FailureToReport posted:

I really hope they pull it off, because the amount of rage breakdown videos bound for YouTube are going to be worth their weight in Land Plots.

Toops posted:

This is the Derek equivalent of smiling sheepishly, then saying NO! and giving a light playful slap, then turning away, looking down, and smiling sheepishly again.