no_recall posted:

Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxbpD756Lic&t=1722s

quote:

Adrian Tech - 1 week ago
Simil to Elite Dangerous. I believe that star citizen is the best in the genre.

Thoatse posted:

I feel like there's a metaphor here

https://i.imgur.com/4lT3NWh.gifv

Mirificus posted:

VictorianQueerLit posted:

No. No No No.

My gimmick is to waste my time in MMOs. I've played countless ones for almost 20 years straight now. I refuse to believe that someone could have any kind of extensive experience with MMOs and look at Star Citizen and go "There will be nothing like this for decades to come."

This poo poo is the same story as Jumpgate Evolution, Everquest Next, Studio 38 or (Choose your failed project) with the same exact defenses being laid out by the faithful. The only truly revolutionary thing CIG has done is scam the mentally ill for $170,000,000 in such a novel way in such a short amount of time that the laws haven't caught up with it yet.

You could write a book on about six trillion different direct comparisons to every failed or disappointing project in gaming history but I have a feeling that people like this guy wouldn't read it.

The Titanic posted:

I bet you have some interesting stories.

I wish Roberts were a better guy and a reliable designer and project manager, because there might have been something kinda fun and passable out by now where you could look at it and say “yeah i see where they’re going here!”

As it stands currently, all promises are lies, all screenshots are photoshops, all concerns are solely about making as much money as possible. I don’t think they could be anymore obvious than if they got CR to wear Money’s hat and rename all his shell companies to “Money Bag #1” and so on.

Somehow backers choose to ignore this. It boggles my mind.

ManofManyAliases posted:

The only winning move is not to playpay.

SomethingJones posted:

unlike Star Citizen which has yet to turn into a working proof of concept imo.

Sabreseven posted:

This is the way CIG and CR do code.

Basically if it were real life, it would be :
Take a bite of an apple, it tastes like purple, the room you're in is now a polar bear, you are happy with how your fins look, the toilet is broken so you must tell the gunslinging cowboy to stop being the leaning tower of pisa, you're on a Micropachycephalosaurus.

Pray CIG never have sway over anyones real life.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

no_recall posted:

Poor dude who wrote that never said anything about having fun in all his gaming life, and thats somewhat telling.

thatguy posted:

*AP lays down his sword and walks into the sunset*

Krakenwagen posted:

One thing I don't understand why instead of fantasizing about SC all these people don't just play ANY kind of RPG system with space in it. Hell, GURPS Space would do, you could have all those cool adventures and poo poo and negligible cost, with a ton of fun.

Maybe it's because you have to interact with actual people or something

also:

Loxbourne posted:

Hi thread!

I was planning recently to write a big effortpost about how Citizens see the world. What their version of G0RF's chart would look like - the high priests at the top, the masses of citizens, the cliques and then across the gulf to goons and refunders and the Anti-Crobbler himself. But it grew a bit big, so I'm breaking a piece off and tossing it to the thread for discussion even if my timing could have been better and the land plots have arrived, holy poo poo.

But I'd like to talk for a moment about something I said in an earlier post. That when Chris sold a big ship, he sold an unstated promise to fill it with players. Players who have to have a reason to want to be an Idris turret gunner rather than buy a ship of their own. Players, in short, who don't actually get to play Star Citizen...

THE FAITHLESS

In other words, the mainstream mass of gamers. People who presumably have only dimly heard of the project until launch day. The people who will flock to the game on the glorious Day of Release, when the clouds open and Chris Roberts descends from Heaven to grant Idrises to the faithful and cast Smart and his Goons into Hell where they shall wail and gnash their teeth as they are never permitted to fly e'en the smallest of Auroras.

A good Citizen is naturally an elitist. He would prefer to disdain the masses as fools, people who turned aside the CRoberts when he preached his message and whose tastes are nowhere near refined enough for the Best drat Space Sim Ever. However, they are caught by a tenet of Star Citizen theology - Star Citizen will be the best game ever and sell millions and millions of copies. The space stations must be bustling and full of players.

Someone must buy your mined space rocks. Someone must gape in awe at your 890 Jump, sometimes even try to attack you (and fail, and be sent to Pirate Jail to think about what they've done).

So the Faithless who buy after release get to be in Outer Heaven (a concept you sometimes see in real no-questions-asked cults). In the ‘verse, but firmly second class. They can man the turrets. Scrub the hot tubs. Be the redshirts and helm officers and people who report “Vanduul on the scope, Captain!” while the Faithful command from the bridge. There will be entire skillsets (like shield balancing or power management) that the Citizens never touch. But by heck they'll toss peons out the airlock (and out of their orgs) if they don't give their captain full shields when he calls for it in the heat of battle. It'd be like being the healer in a WoW raid if your tank was also paying your salary.

Perhaps, with much grinding and proof of their faith, the Faithless might aspire to own a ship one day (but it had better be after many months of tub-scrubbing). In which case they can be cannon fodder, escort fighters, perhaps pirates and targets for bounty hunters. The people who man all the dozens of planes lined up on the deck of the Citizen's pocket carrier. The people who foolishly charge the Citizens' guns and die so the Citizens can call themselves space aces.

It’s the Faithless who the insurance mechanics are for. A good Citizen has multiple ships and just flies off in another one. But someone with one ship they had to save for years to afford? Get scrubbing that jaccuzi. This is the dark secret of LTI; LTI on a ship means you never run the risk of being reduced down to Faithless level by a run of deaths.

It helps that a Citizen's natural contempt for the masses means he expects the Faithless to log in and immediately become pirates and griefers, because they're such dumb CODdies. They’ll run everywhere in the spaceports and ruin our immersion (so punish them. Ideally by forcing them to spend longer manning our turrets; some nice heavy fines would do it). They don’t understand the game like a Citizen does. Really, it’s what’s best for them and they’ll see that. Come the day.

A good citizen rebels when CIG suggest new players who haven't proven their faith, haven't sacrificed, haven't paid and faced the real-world consequences of paying (a citizen's going to have felt the impact on his wallet of all those ships, after all) might be able to own big ships in less than 100,000 hours. Surely Chris wouldn’t do that. We need people to stuff into crates and introduce to the inevitable consequences of piracy and it sure as hell ain’t gonna be the Citizens, they paid too much to put up with that. Their whole identity is built on being the big people in the ‘verse. On being whales.

This basically means the average Citizen sees themselves as a kind of MMO slumlord, keeping a horde of Faithless latecomers in poverty to keep their guns manned. It doesn’t occur to a Citizen for a moment that the Faithless might work this out and refuse to buy in. An unspoken tenet of the Cult of Star Citizen is the masses will kneel in awe when the glory of the full game is revealed to them. Kneel and beg for forgiveness, and in their mercy the Citizens will let them load cargo with their bare hands.

People who ask awkward questions about how, exactly, this is going to work get an incredible dose of rage. You're threatening a core tenet of the Star Citizen fantasy.

Seen Space Jam? You know that vision of the future the villain gives Michael Jordan of being chained to a basketball hoop, terrifying children in cinemas across the globe? That's where the faithless, the filthy faithless gamer on the street who didn't buy in when he had a chance, sits in Star Citizen theology.

Enjoy your hot tub.

Bootcha posted:

Hello thread, how are you.

So I'm less a participant and more an occasional voice of information.

The short term stuff is funny, but the long term stuff is what tickles me. Especially in the sense of calling it. It's a thing we do.

So in that spirit, I want to share thoughts about what's going to happen ITYOOL 2018:

1) Ben and Alexis are out: A Great Purge of staff has been calculated since two years ago, but I believe that Ben leaving SCAA, and the iffy reception of the Pioneer/Land sales, Ben has run out of time. Not even as an archivist. Ben has long since served his purpose. It will be announced "due to health reasons" that Ben will leave. Alexis will also "leave", in the sense of "we never wanted you". A severance package is given with a long NDA, probably 6 figures. They probably move back to Austin, where Ben can do more archiving of the WC material at UT Austin. I have bleaker visions of their 20 year future, it makes me sad a bit. I want to say nicer things, but Ben if you can read this, I heard enough.

2) SC inversely folds into SQ42: The big rumor is that SQ42 would be the thing to fold, but I think the opposite will happen. The promised mechanics of SC will instead be folded into the "episodic" campaign of SQ42. Mining, salvage, and land claiming will be parts of the SQ42 story, but only in the context of the story rather than any free will ability. Think Mass Effect: Andromeda.

3) Tony Z is out: I don't think Tony Z can survive another year. Austin is sadly an anemic husk of what once was the heartbeat of development 4 years ago, and Austin is the studio least producing marketable content. It'll either be a "It was a wild ride but family/issues need me to jet" or a very very quick "we wish Tony Z well OH LOOK AT THIS SNEAK PEEK". Tony, go back to day trading. There's less chance to get dispositioned doing that.

4) Racist Japanese Space Turtle Language Time Dies in Spring: No one gives a flying gently caress, and a talking head costs money.

5) People are really disappointed by Sunk Cost Galaxy, but still prefer it to reading Derek's blogs which strangely will have more actual info but gently caress if anyone can be bothered to read it. SCG gets a mention on Kotaku and RPS, Polygon and PCGamer summarize like they knew all along. Eurogamer retro plays Wing Commander 3 and has epiphany.

And for the completely wild left field outta nowhere ballsy prediction I'm sure won't happen but fuckit I'm betting red this time...

6) The Next Great Designer: Remember TNGS? It's like that except SC cultists compete for the best design idea for SC. Winner gets a job offer as an assistant producer in LA (because gently caress your CoL that's why) to lead a team to implement their feature. Pirate Rape, Feces Sanitation, Needless Bureaucracy, and Machinima divas on full display. Winning feature? You must have a Platinum PTTTHHHHHHPPPPPPPPPPit's just another ship gently caress you surprise

Bootcha posted:

Hello thread, how are you.

So I'm less a participant and more an occasional voice of information.

The short term stuff is funny, but the long term stuff is what tickles me. Especially in the sense of calling it. It's a thing we do.

So in that spirit, I want to share thoughts about what's going to happen ITYOOL 2018:

1) Ben and Alexis are out: A Great Purge of staff has been calculated since two years ago, but I believe that Ben leaving SCAA, and the iffy reception of the Pioneer/Land sales, Ben has run out of time. Not even as an archivist. Ben has long since served his purpose. It will be announced "due to health reasons" that Ben will leave. Alexis will also "leave", in the sense of "we never wanted you". A severance package is given with a long NDA, probably 6 figures. They probably move back to Austin, where Ben can do more archiving of the WC material at UT Austin. I have bleaker visions of their 20 year future, it makes me sad a bit. I want to say nicer things, but Ben if you can read this, I heard enough.

2) SC inversely folds into SQ42: The big rumor is that SQ42 would be the thing to fold, but I think the opposite will happen. The promised mechanics of SC will instead be folded into the "episodic" campaign of SQ42. Mining, salvage, and land claiming will be parts of the SQ42 story, but only in the context of the story rather than any free will ability. Think Mass Effect: Andromeda.

3) Tony Z is out: I don't think Tony Z can survive another year. Austin is sadly an anemic husk of what once was the heartbeat of development 4 years ago, and Austin is the studio least producing marketable content. It'll either be a "It was a wild ride but family/issues need me to jet" or a very very quick "we wish Tony Z well OH LOOK AT THIS SNEAK PEEK". Tony, go back to day trading. There's less chance to get dispositioned doing that.

4) Racist Japanese Space Turtle Language Time Dies in Spring: No one gives a flying gently caress, and a talking head costs money.

5) People are really disappointed by Sunk Cost Galaxy, but still prefer it to reading Derek's blogs which strangely will have more actual info but gently caress if anyone can be bothered to read it. SCG gets a mention on Kotaku and RPS, Polygon and PCGamer summarize like they knew all along. Eurogamer retro plays Wing Commander 3 and has epiphany.

And for the completely wild left field outta nowhere ballsy prediction I'm sure won't happen but fuckit I'm betting red this time...

6) The Next Great Designer: Remember TNGS? It's like that except SC cultists compete for the best design idea for SC. Winner gets a job offer as an assistant producer in LA (because gently caress your CoL that's why) to lead a team to implement their feature. Pirate Rape, Feces Sanitation, Needless Bureaucracy, and Machinima divas on full display. Winning feature? You must have a Platinum PTTTHHHHHHPPPPPPPPPPit's just another ship gently caress you surprise

Baxta posted:

I would give you actual money to render this poo poo on a planet and make a couple of ship assets I can zoom around the buildings in. Just so I could make youtube videos with the star citizen tag.

OR make taxi and cop assets so I can pretend im bruce willis in fifth element. Dealers choice.

Mirificus posted:

Massively OP: Move over, pixel ships: Star Citizen is now selling pixel land claims

Milky Moor posted:

like Derek says

Codezombie posted:

Once I've got it fully working, I'll probably release it fairly cheaply on the asset store, or something.

Codezombie posted:

Once I've got it fully working, I'll probably release it fairly cheaply on the asset store, or something.
I need to sort out some minor stuff like UV mapping and fast normal generation (that is not using Unity poo poo slow version)
Then there is an important task stuffing the whole tile generation into a threaded job system so it does'nt clobber the frame rate when you make a bunch of tiles.

Dunno how long it'll take, depends if there is anything good on telly.

Codezombie posted:

Once I've got it fully working, I'll probably release it fairly cheaply on the asset store, or something.
I need to sort out some minor stuff like UV mapping and fast normal generation (that is not using Unity poo poo slow version)
Then there is an important task stuffing the whole tile generation into a threaded job system so it does'nt clobber the frame rate when you make a bunch of tiles.

Dunno how long it'll take, depends if there is anything good on telly.

Bootcha posted:

Star Citizen dies in 2019.