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GunnerJ posted:Yo, Business Gorilla, the Bone Buds tag "crowning" the King Killers Assoc. tag is pure art.  PS LG i'm making an effortpost for you not gonna leave you hanging
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Dec 1, 2017 02:07
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:question they don’t have a newspaper
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Any way gossip aside anyone know decent sources for labor organizing? Were going to dip our toes into it and while we have a crusty old fucker who's willing to help us out im a pretty drat union hostile state in a city where the biggest employers are in union hostile industries so I want make sure we got a full playbook
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:they don’t have a newspaper chapos are trots now btw
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If you want a picture of the future, imagine a party newspaper waving in a human face — forever.
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Goon Danton posted:I know the "I will never read a book" caucus is dominant here, but I read a book (Discipline and Punish) and it was dope. Anyone have any good reading suggestions? I got Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality and the Communist Manifesto at a used book store for The Cooperative Commonwealth
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so those will probably be next, but I'm always looking to add more to my list.
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No one in the thread has mentioned that like half of the accusers of LDR are like teens/young college and LDR is in their 30s, at least one of the accounts (inviting over to watch tv, not revealing they'd be alone, pushing to watch tv in bed together, pressuring to do sexual acts after their show had ended) was both a: some pretty predatory sounding behavior and b: could only generously be described as flirty.
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Impermanent posted:No one in the thread has mentioned that like half of the accusers of LDR are like teens/young college and LDR is in their 30s, at least one of the accounts (inviting over to watch tv, not revealing they'd be alone, pushing to watch tv in bed together, pressuring to do sexual acts after their show had ended) was both a: some pretty predatory sounding behavior and b: could only generously be described as flirty.
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who cares . it diesnt effect ur local
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Agean90 posted:Any way gossip aside anyone know decent sources for labor organizing? Were going to dip our toes into it and while we have a crusty old fucker who's willing to help us out im a pretty drat union hostile state in a city where the biggest employers are in union hostile industries so I want make sure we got a full playbook Labor Notes A good place to start is How to Jump Start Your Union
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Lastgirl posted:It is a fair point and as much as i'd like to see the whole thing burn down because it feels a bit stacked with regards to the free market, so I guess it actually will burn down when it all crashes... but will it have been too late at that point? or would there actually be considerable capitalization (no pun intended) on this opportunity to spread the gospel of socialism as you'd see it fit? people are pissed off already but yeah, the massive social upheaval of a depression can only help the only viable alternative to capitalism (especially if the markets collapse because of this fuckin tax cut). that's what happened with the FDR and the New Deal, sort of (capital poo poo their pants and got dragged to the table to bargain under threat of 1917 2.0) edit: quote:You can ask them to keep explaining why their policies aren't working and they aren't going to answer at this point, which is the crazy thing, and that's mostly where the decorum thing comes from, that its much easier to hide behind this pretense of civility where it's just really more of a banal killing, so you just tut tut and launch into whataboutism to distract from that issue. imo violent revolution is impossible due to the disparity of technology (and i also think that advocating for violence that would leave large swaths of comrades dead is absolutely disgusting) so yeah, nonviolent revolution would be hard, but it's the only chance we've got. i'm not expecting to see socialism in my lifetime, but imo if we can start dismantling capitalism and arm the next generation with the organizations we can build and let them learn from our mistakes and experiences, i'd call that a life well lived Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 05:17 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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If we dont have (actual) socialism within 50 years well probably end up with a weird form of anarchism or feudalism in the post apocalyptic wasteland
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:question i have inside knowledge of this and yes they are
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Zikan posted:i have inside knowledge of this and yes they are its not
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there are probably trots in refoundation who consider themselves entryist, at least from what ive seen in non dsa marxist facebook groups talking about it
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30,000 newspaper readers of America
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entryism implies some kind of subterfuge or hidden agenda. yeah refoundation wants to win people over to a more marxist politics but it isnt concealing that or recruiting for / working on behalf of outside organizations
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i guess it depends on if they would purge the non marxists out if they gained majority control of the org, which i dont really care but i dont see if happening
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Yandat posted:entryism implies some kind of subterfuge or hidden agenda. yeah refoundation wants to win people over to a more marxist politics but it isnt concealing that or recruiting for / working on behalf of outside organizations
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remember when the ISO supported the libyans rebels against gaddafi
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:like the ISO? i have no doubt the iso is trying to recruit whoever they see as the most “advanced” members of the dsa and i also have no doubt they will comically fail at it like theyve failed at every other attempt to induce growth in their moribund organization failing to attract any sizable new membership after the democratic primaries and trump’s election is pretty amazingly bad, idk what internal analysis they come up with anymore to excuse themselves
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Every-time a man get's mildly embarrassed it's public seppeku i guess most people see not being able to post as essentially the same thing as death, judging by posts here and my pm inbox
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R. Guyovich posted:i guess most people see not being able to post as essentially the same thing as death, judging by posts here and my pm inbox  post em
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Yandat posted:i have no doubt the iso is trying to recruit whoever they see as the most “advanced” members of the dsa and i also have no doubt they will comically fail at it like theyve failed at every other attempt to induce growth in their moribund organization They try so hard at every group socialist event and if there's been any migration it's been the opposite way. Despite being incorrigible poachers ISO-SF are nice but very serious people and wish them the best. SAlt can kick rocks and PSL can taste my blade. Official SF socialist group ratings.
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Vhak lord of hate posted:They try so hard at every group socialist event and if there's been any migration it's been the opposite way. Despite being incorrigible poachers ISO-SF are nice but very serious people and wish them the best. 
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iww is the chill org everyone likes
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I've got an ISO guy at my office, he's pretty okay
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freckle posted:
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Hi friends! Thank you all for your dedication to the struggle for socialism and a better world! I am a Communist Party (CPUSA) member. Earlier this evening, however, I attended a very small meeting of local Socialist Party (SPUSA) members. I enjoyed listening to what they had to say and felt sympathetic toward them, but I also felt amused when one of the SPUSA members described the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) as a front for the Democratic Party. Those SPUSA folks are apparently super adamant about the supposed need to totally reject and disavow both major political parties in the U.S right now. They're trying to build a multi-tendency mass socialist party that operates completely independently of the Democrats and Republicans. I think this seems like an admirable goal, but I also think the folks in the SPUSA may be overestimating the strength of the revolutionary socialist forces in the U.S. while underestimating the danger of the alt-right fascists and the far-right forces in the Republican Party and the Trump White House. Anyway, I feel committed to staying in the CPUSA because I really enjoyed the time in the past that I spent talking to the CPUSA national chairman and I also get along well with the CPUSA leader in my state. But I am also pretty curious about the DSA and also interested in possibly getting involved with the DSA. Would the DSA be okay with getting a new member who is also a CPUSA member? I'm not going to leave the CPUSA for the DSA, but the possibility of being a member of both organizations does seem appealing. Thanks for reading this post and for your consideration! Many thanks also for your interest in human emancipation and the building of a socialist future!
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gr8ful4theseforums posted:But I am also pretty curious about the DSA and also interested in possibly getting involved with the DSA. Would the DSA be okay with getting a new member who is also a CPUSA member? does the DSA have any way of checking or enforcing its rule against dual-membership in democratic centralist orgs? not that i'm aware of, so go hog wild
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the only restriction on dsa membership is not belonging to a democratic centralist org and it isn't really even enforced afaik
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like if you had someone in a chapter who was causing problems and was in a dem cent org you could probably get them kicked out? but I havent heard of it happening, i think it's mostly there so the NPC and/or leadership of chapters cant get hijacked by them
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Ace of Baes posted:like if you had someone in a chapter who was causing problems and was in a dem cent org you could probably get them kicked out? but I havent heard of it happening, i think it's mostly there so the NPC and/or leadership of chapters cant get hijacked by them
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gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:you think you can organize left-unity, but you cant even date more than one person at once? lmao your meltdown about jews in the thread for gay goons was really funny
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gr8ful4theseforums posted:Hi friends! Thank you all for your dedication to the struggle for socialism and a better world! Are you or have you been ein sexmonster or a sexpest? My auto complete recognizes those words and also suggests “bithc” after “you orange...” I wonder why?
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https://twitter.com/laylasafavi/status/936514977250263040
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