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Bottom Liner posted:Why would you ever think Pence would do that? He clearly only took the job assuming he would end up President. No way in hell he voluntarily goes down to save anyone. The narrative is now that Trump's transition team leaders gave Flynn his orders to contact the Russians. And Pence headed the transition team.
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happyhippy posted:Only solution Trump has now is the Baltimore cop way.
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evilweasel posted:He wasn't charged with more than one crime, that's how we know he flipped. There is an airtight case he was an illegal foreign agent among other open and shut crimes he would be unable to defend against that haven't been charged. I'm not sure I understand this train of thought. So he won't be charged with any other crimes, and we know that for a fact? Is the leverage on him to flip the threat of more charges that they're declining to bring? Wouldn't it have been better for the country to have him charged as an illegal foreign agent?
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eviltastic posted:https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/936639786764423168 The desperation to get this done before Trump collapses entirely means they are going to pass it for sure.
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eviltastic posted:https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/936639786764423168 Yeah, honestly, they're gonna use all this bullshit as smoke screen to pass the tax hike.
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Drone posted:The narrative is now that Trump's transition team leaders gave Flynn his orders to contact the Russians. And Pence headed the transition team. I thought it was Trump himself. Goddamnit, it NEEDS to be Trump himself.
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Drone posted:The narrative is now that Trump's transition team leaders gave Flynn his orders to contact the Russians. And Pence headed the transition team. But Pence did not let that info out and would never willingly confirm that. The administration might throw him under the bus to save Trump but Pence himself would never sacrifice anything for anyone.
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Drone posted:So I can't help shake the feeling that Pence will be the one who has to jump on this grenade, and Trump will somehow cling on like the shitsmear he is. Trump hates Ryan more than (nearly) anyone for not getting healthcare reform passed. Lindsay Graham has gone to bat a lot for him lately so it's possible he's built up a small amount of goodwill. e: watch it be Roy Moore
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eviltastic posted:https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/936639786764423168 yep, if they got Collins, Moran, and Johnson, then thats probably it. The only obstacle left is the HFC crazies doing something in conference committee, but I am not counting on that at all.
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RevKrule posted:Yeah, honestly, they're gonna use all this bullshit as smoke screen to pass the tax hike. It isn't bullshit, but yeah, they'll take advantage of the fact that their lovely tax cut is off the headlines.
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This seems to be Muellers standard play by play where he threatens to go after family members to get testimony and he just keeps digging until he gets to who he wants or what he wants.
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Alter Ego posted:I thought it was Trump himself. Goddamnit, it NEEDS to be Trump himself. It was according to Flynn himself "...is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."
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Rigel posted:yep, if they got Collins, Moran, and Johnson, then thats probably it. The only obstacle left is the HFC crazies doing something in conference committee, but I am not counting on that at all. I thought the HFC were the deficit hawks and couldn’t stomach a 1.3 Trillion increase to the debt? Or is that another looney caucus?
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Bicyclops posted:I thought the deadline on reconciliation had passed when the healthcare thing flopped at the end of September and have been silently screaming for the past three weeks. that was for the 2017 reconciliation bill, which is gone. they're using the 2018 bill.
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horse mans posted:I'm not sure I understand this train of thought. So he won't be charged with any other crimes, and we know that for a fact? Is the leverage on him to flip the threat of more charges that they're declining to bring? Yes, that is basic FBI 101. They always start near the bottom and start flipping people to go up to the top. The target was never Flynn, it is either Trump or if not him then as high as possible. horse mans posted:Wouldn't it have been better for the country to have him charged as an illegal foreign agent? Not if his help is required to nail a lot of other people.
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Ripoff posted:I thought the HFC were the deficit hawks and couldn’t stomach a 1.3 Trillion increase to the debt? Or is that another looney caucus? That's them, but even they seem to know that the party can't afford to screw this up, so they are on board.
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Ripoff posted:I thought the HFC were the deficit hawks and couldn’t stomach a 1.3 Trillion increase to the debt? Or is that another looney caucus? How much do you think they *actually* care about this purported belief
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They probably were like " Yea we're gonna go after your son and break him financially along with putting him in jail for a decade would you like to cooperate" and he said "Yes" That's literally what Mueller does in almost all his cases
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If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Also, do you think there might have to be new elections?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:They still have to pay for it and haven't figured that out yet Well you see we have this revenue trigger *gets slammed into the boards by a woman in a cardigan*
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horse mans posted:I'm not sure I understand this train of thought. So he won't be charged with any other crimes, and we know that for a fact? Is the leverage on him to flip the threat of more charges that they're declining to bring? Wouldn't it have been better for the country to have him charged as an illegal foreign agent? There would be no reason to charge him with one crime and not others, and he would only plead guilty if his deal barred charging him on the other charges (as long as he cooperated). Yes, that's the leverage on him, as well as the charges against his son. It would be better for the country to have everyone punished for all their crimes, but as a practical matter since you usually need lower level criminals to cooperate to get the higher-ups, it is accepted practice to offer them leniency in exchange for their cooperation to get the more important criminals.
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Bicyclops posted:I thought the deadline on reconciliation had passed when the healthcare thing flopped at the end of September and have been silently screaming for the past three weeks. That was this year's reconciliation bill, the tax thing is using next year's reconciliation. Josef bugman posted:If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Paul Ryan
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Meadows has said he's opposed to the reinsurance funding that swung Collins's vote, and has been pushing for mixing the CR issue with the tax bill. Don't get your hopes up, but the loons could still be a wrench in the works.
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Josef bugman posted:If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Speaker of the House and dead-eyed Randian sharkface Paul Ryan. We don't do new elections if there's a fuckup like this.
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Josef bugman posted:If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Paul Ryan, and no, there's no provision in the Constitution for holding Presidential elections outside the regular four-year cycle, so it won't happen.
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Josef bugman posted:If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Paul Ryan, and no. The United States has no mechanism at all to call for snap elections for the president and vice president.
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Remember that none of this matters unless enough GOP House members agree to impeach Trump. I'm as ecstatic as the next person to see all this come to light, but it's meaningless unless you're willing to bet on House Republicans having real beliefs.
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Josef bugman posted:If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Ideally, any impeachment process will take us through the 2018 midterms and it will be Nancy Pelosi.
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horse mans posted:I'm not sure I understand this train of thought. So he won't be charged with any other crimes, and we know that for a fact? Is the leverage on him to flip the threat of more charges that they're declining to bring? Wouldn't it have been better for the country to have him charged as an illegal foreign agent? We suspect that for a fact because there's mountains of public evidence that his actions were criminal, and top legal voices were unanomous that Mueller had an open and shut case. So the speculation is that Mueller said "listen here Flynn, if you don't give us something good, then we're gonna lock you up for a long time and go after your son." Flynn says "ok Mueller, if I can give you evidence that the vice president of the United States was involved in a crime will you go easy on me?" M - "Yes Flynn, we will cut you a deal. Give us testamony on him or someone on his level and we'll only charge you with a single count of lying. You'll most likely get probation." F - "we have a deal. Let me tell you everything I know."
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Pakled posted:Paul Ryan, and no, there's no provision in the Constitution for holding Presidential elections outside the regular four-year cycle, so it won't happen. President Paul Ryan, Christ. Does that guy give a single poo poo outside of his tax bills?
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Am I the only one not excited about Flynn? Like, he could have a tape of the orange gently caress telling him to suck Putin off and Trump would just deny it and Republicans would just go WELL THERE IS NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE and as always nothing would loving matter. Meanwhile the media would be going "man there sure are a lot of sides to this argument how do you prove truth anyways?"
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Josef bugman posted:If Trump and Pence both go who is next in line? Paul Ryan Orrin Hatch Rex Tillerson Steve Mnuchin James Mattis Jeff Sessions and so on
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Ripoff posted:I thought the HFC were the deficit hawks and couldn’t stomach a 1.3 Trillion increase to the debt? Or is that another looney caucus? People are talking about deficit hawks in the Senate, not the House. The issue with the HFC is they're unwilling to budge on the 20% corporate tax rate. Not even a little.
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Pakled posted:Paul Ryan, and no, there's no provision in the Constitution for holding Presidential elections outside the regular four-year cycle, so it won't happen. Urgh, so what happens afterwards to make things better? Like if Trump and Pence go down, will they try and take the other Repubs with them? Like could there be anything like "It wasn't just us they did it as well" going on? And if that does happen how many seats down would the Republicans and Democrats be?
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