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underage at the vape shop posted:Because of sales weirdness and cashback, the 1.4 is cheaper in aus right now Get the 1.4, it makes better compromise than the 2.0 IMO.
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I find that the sensor on the the X-T2/T20 is good enough that you don't even need to consider between f1.4 and f2.0 in terms of light allowance even if you are regularly shooting in extremely dark situations. The ISO performance is more than enough to make up for it. I am not even sure I can argue there is a large enough difference in bokeh to care either. Ultimately you should base your decision on which is sharpest at equivalent apertures, whether you need faster AF performance, and the size/weight.
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The 35mm f/2 is much faster but the 35mm f/1.4 is optically better. Sharpness is mostly a wash by f/4 for both lenses tho. Just bear in mind that the f/2 is heavily software corrected.
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I posted in the DSLR thread a few months ago looking for a camera for the wife. They sent me here because the mirrorless has such great size and weight advantages and we have a toddler. I agree this will get used more, so I'm sold. She will primarily use it for shooting kids indoors and outdoors with some up-close nature stuff, although we will add more lenses later. Is this a good "getting started kit": The X-T20 body w/ The XF-18-55 is what I assume you guys are talking about. Is there another version of this lens that has OIS or is the $400 price difference something different with model or warranty? The XF-18-55 by itself appears to be more like $700. Do you have case recommendations? I saw stuff like this which is appealing because it's a quick-and-dirty cover but I envision her throwing the camera and maybe an extra lens into a giant bag for treks. Should I worry about it more in a bag that is going to have diapers in it?
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The 18-55 assuming that's the f2.8-4 is faster which is good for indoors and slightly longer which is good for kids. I can't speak to performance
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Hed posted:Is this a good "getting started kit": The X-T20 body w/ The XF-18-55 is what I assume you guys are talking about. Is there another version of this lens that has OIS or is the $400 price difference something different with model or warranty? The XF-18-55 by itself appears to be more like $700. Yeah, it actually looks like it may be cheaper elsewhere though: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/co...REG&sku=1311270 That's the 18-55 with OIS. There isn't another version of the 18-55.
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I would keep in mind that while the 18-55 kit lens gives you a lot of flexibility, it's size definitely puts it in the DSLR-like bulk category that might make it annoying to carry around. I would personally recommend something like the 23mm f2 lens to start out with. It has a wide enough focal length that it's great for tighter indoor kid shots without having to step back too far. It also has a slightly wider maximum aperture which is even better for low light. You just have to get used to moving your body around to change the perspective instead of zooming the lens in or out
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polyester concept posted:I would keep in mind that while the 18-55 kit lens gives you a lot of flexibility, it's size definitely puts it in the DSLR-like bulk category that might make it annoying to carry around. I would personally recommend something like the 23mm f2 lens to start out with. It has a wide enough focal length that it's great for tighter indoor kid shots without having to step back too far. It also has a slightly wider maximum aperture which is even better for low light. You just have to get used to moving your body around to change the perspective instead of zooming the lens in or out For a first shooter with kid, i disagree. At 18mm it's wider and at 2.8 fast enough. A wide normal zoom is too useful for kid shooting. The 23 might be my second lens, though. This is the kit you want, not the other lens. https://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X-T...ywords=Xt20+kit
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Thanks guys, I picked up the 18-55 kit and will add the 23 to the list. Getting in on that B&H photo deal was a nice save, too! I'm excited for us to move beyond P&S.
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polyester concept posted:I would keep in mind that while the 18-55 kit lens gives you a lot of flexibility, it's size definitely puts it in the DSLR-like bulk category that might make it annoying to carry around. I would personally recommend something like the 23mm f2 lens to start out with. It has a wide enough focal length that it's great for tighter indoor kid shots without having to step back too far. It also has a slightly wider maximum aperture which is even better for low light. You just have to get used to moving your body around to change the perspective instead of zooming the lens in or out The 18-55 is bigger than a pancake to be sure, but it's the smallest Fuji lens I own. Just looking at it next to the 90 f/2 or 55-250 makes me laugh. I think the Fuji 18-55 has to take some kind of record for cheapest, smallest, and high quality in the world of "kit" lenses.
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Went with the 1.4, talked myself into the 50 f2 while I was there as well.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Went with the 1.4, talked myself into the 50 f2 while I was there as well.
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Kenny Logins posted:I'm really liking the 50 F2 so far, hope you do too. Yeah I'm really excited to use it, just bumming around at home it's really nice. It's my last big purchase before going to Europe, I think between the 35 and 50 I'll be pretty set, and I have the 18-55 for when I want wide. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Nov 28, 2017 |
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underage at the vape shop posted:Yeah I'm really excited to use it, just bumming around at home it's really nice. It's my last big purchase before going to Europe, I think between the 35 and 50 I'll be pretty set, and I have the 18-55 for when I want wide. For Europe you really want an ultra wide so you can get those interior cathedral shots. Rokinon 12mm is cheap and good. Manual focus only but who cares at that focal length. Also it’s great for astro. I can’t wait to get one of the new Fuji cameras so I can try that sensor for astro https://instagram.com/p/7DRkOyCqds/ https://instagram.com/p/7DXhBqCqbA/ https://instagram.com/p/BaVS5OYnBh7/
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Hed posted:Do you have case recommendations? I saw stuff like this which is appealing because it's a quick-and-dirty cover but I envision her throwing the camera and maybe an extra lens into a giant bag for treks. Should I worry about it more in a bag that is going to have diapers in it? I don't know if any form-fitting case for the X-T20 is going to offer a ton of baby-proof/rugged protection, you'd be getting into camera bag territory there. I think you'd want to look at the bag she'd be using and decide if there's any additional padding it would need, for peace of mind. It may be that an inner compartment or two will already be just fine; the key is then to get in the habit of only using those compartments and not just tossing the camera anywhere. On another note, there's some Fuji firmware updates coming tomorrow for X-T2, GFX and X-T20. Annoyingly, the Fuji X Raw Studio processing isn't supported by the X-T20 yet at this point. Hope they can get it in, and soon. Kenny Logins fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 29, 2017 |
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Kenny Logins posted:I use a similar <$20 neoprene case which I like for keeping the dust off the camera around the house, and it allows for the kit lens (or smaller) as well. Wait, is Fuji X Raw Studio out?? I haven’t seen anything about it since like September and have been really looking forward to it.
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rio posted:Wait, is Fuji X Raw Studio out?? I haven’t seen anything about it since like September and have been really looking forward to it.
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Kenny Logins posted:I think it drops tomorrow. I'd been looking forward to it too. Oh poo poo, that’s great! I wonder why they aren’t including the X t-20 - they are the same raws, aren’t they? I get that they want to distinguish the x-t2 from the 20 but they already did that with the features of the cameras.
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rio posted:Oh poo poo, that’s great! I wonder why they aren’t including the X t-20 - they are the same raws, aren’t they? I get that they want to distinguish the x-t2 from the 20 but they already did that with the features of the cameras.
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It's just basic market segmentation. Fuji debuted the X-T2 for too much, and rather than lower the price and piss off early adopters, they've resorted to bringing out 2 other nearly-identical cameras which actually have nicer physical features (articulating touch screen on X-T20; touch screen and Bluetooth on X-E3) at a more appropriate price point, and will artificially limit them through software. This is in contrast to the X-T10, which had both worse hardware and software compared to the X-T1 at every stage of life.
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bobfather posted:It's just basic market segmentation. Which is not really a thing Fuji does, unlike Canon or Nikon. Mostly because Fuji knows it's camera division is never going to be a profit leader so they treat it as a feather in their cap and a test bed for new tech they can sell in their actual bread and butter divisions. I mean if they are willing to update the xpro2 to 4k with firmware (and give it all of the XT2's cool afc features) then I doubt it's really an issue of the market, they probably just don't have anyone working on that feature until enough customers actually ask for it.
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Kenny Logins posted:I think it drops tomorrow. I'd been looking forward to it too. http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/software/application/ The Windows version is coming in February 2018. Edit: oh drat the new X-T2 firmware sounds great quote:1. New AF tracking algorithm for moving subject Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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8th-snype posted:Which is not really a thing Fuji does, unlike Canon or Nikon. Mostly because Fuji knows it's camera division is never going to be a profit leader so they treat it as a feather in their cap and a test bed for new tech they can sell in their actual bread and butter divisions. The Fuji of today is very different than the Fuji of 5 years ago. The X-Pro 1 got software updates for 4 years, the same amount of time that passed before the X-Pro 2 came out. Then in 2016 Fuji released the X-Pro 2 and X-T2, and then followed those up with the X-T20 and the X-E3. Hardware-wise these are all basically 4 identical cameras, released over ~18 months with differences here and there. I'm sure they could all have software parity if Fuji wanted, so since they don't have software parity wouldn't that indicate they're taking a page from the big players and segmenting? The price points certainly seem to indicate they are.
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bobfather posted:The Fuji of today is very different than the Fuji of 5 years ago. The X-Pro 1 got software updates for 4 years, the same amount of time that passed before the X-Pro 2 came out. I don't think Fuji has really changed all that much, the "flagship" cameras get updates and then the prosumer lines follow at a later date. Just because the XE3 and XT20 have similar hardware doesn't mean they will immediately get the love that the top of the line models will. The XE2 was brought up to firmware parity with the XT1 very late in it's lifecycle but it was upgraded. I look at basically as Fuji doesn't have to provide market segmentation in the way canon and nikon do because their hardware lines are very clear cut featurewise and they basically don't care about selling new bodies as frequently as the others. They have firmly stated many times they plan to have very long hardware refreshes on purpose, because Fuji is like the one company out there that actually understands it's customer base.
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8th-snype posted:I don't think Fuji has really changed all that much, the "flagship" cameras get updates and then the prosumer lines follow at a later date. Just because the XE3 and XT20 have similar hardware doesn't mean they will immediately get the love that the top of the line models will. The XE2 was brought up to firmware parity with the XT1 very late in it's lifecycle but it was upgraded. I look at basically as Fuji doesn't have to provide market segmentation in the way canon and nikon do because their hardware lines are very clear cut featurewise and they basically don't care about selling new bodies as frequently as the others. They have firmly stated many times they plan to have very long hardware refreshes on purpose, because Fuji is like the one company out there that actually understands it's customer base. Which is why I left Sony who is the exact opposite. They haven’t been as bad as they were in the past about releasing bodies though. I do see a small change from Fuji though - the X-T20 is a good example since it was released close to the X-T2 and in some ways it is a very similar camera at a much lower cost. At least on paper - when I finally tried one in stores it doesn’t feel as high end as the X-T2 and the viewfinder is enough to make me glad that I did get the X-T2 early rather than try to decide between the 2 and 20 on paper. But still, I wish they could have implemented Bluetooth and the touchscreen into the X-T2 and then segmented our those features to the lower tier models rather than have their flagship crop sensor body seemingly missing features.
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Fuji has never made up their mind how to do the entry level lineup or even want to, now that smartphones have completely taken over the low end.
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Speaking of, seems like the Fuji firmware updates have dropped. Predictably, the X-T2 got the AF-C overhaul that the X-E3 already has, and the X-T20 got the option to use the touch screen as a pseudo-joystick to change the AF point while your eye is at the EVF. No word on whether the X-T20 will get the AF-C improvements also, but it seems kind of silly for them not to bring it eventually. One can hope! Good thing I almost never use AF-C, and when I do I generally have pretty fine results on my X-T20.
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I ended up buying the 56mm f/1.2, thanks everyone. I'm super excited for it to arrive, so excited that I'm going to use an exclamation point right now!
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Are the AF-C improvements just there by default or do they apply to some new setting? Also X Raw Studio is pretty sweet. Being able to copy and paste conversion profiles in bulk is great and the UI isn't totally garbage.
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Can someone do a more thorough first impression on the X Raw Studio suite? I’m pretty excited about it and crossing my fingers that the UI will not suck rear end.
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It's pretty limited in what it can do but it seems to do what it does well. It looks like the RAW files need to be on your computer already, or accessible in a SD card reader - it can't read the photos in the camera's SD slot. You can view the standard stuff like histogram and exposure settings on the left, view thumbnails across the bottom, and change the profile settings on the right (film simulation, highlights, shadows, sharpening, noise reduction, EV compensation, etc). Then you press the process button and it saves a JPG to the source directory.
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Does anyone have a sense of how it performs on older Macs? I have switched over to Windows for my laptop and desktop but have a 2012 MacBook Pro I could dig out and I’d like to not wait until 2018 to try it, but if it is slow and frustrating I will. I upgraded the ram and put in an SSD but otherwise I am concerned about the performance. (I would just try it but I really do have to dig out the laptop since it’s in storage)
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How good/bad is the video quality of the Fuji X70. I am thinking of getting a baby cam+ in-the-commute-bag-camera. Should I just get a gopro 6 or an used G6/G7 or I can make do with a X70? X70 has a flip screen.
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What are you supposed to use to clean the Fuji sensor? I’m using the same pec pads/eclipse that I did on Nikons, but the sensor looks like it has an orange peel looking ripple in the middle. But the pictures come out fine. Am I freaking out over nothing or is this *bad* I’m going to take everything to Fuji after Xmas for tuneups anyway so it’s not too bad I guess.
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The X-T20 touchscreen-as-joystick firmware works really well. I'm hopeful Fuji will eventually add the other improvements the X-T2 got yesterday to the X-T20 also!
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red19fire posted:What are you supposed to use to clean the Fuji sensor? I’m using the same pec pads/eclipse that I did on Nikons, but the sensor looks like it has an orange peel looking ripple in the middle. But the pictures come out fine. Am I freaking out over nothing or is this *bad* I don't use anything special to wet clean my fujis. I used to use eclipse and pec pads but the last time I did it I just used an off the shelf swab and solution kit from my local photo store.
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Just pulled the trigger on a black X100f with black leather case. Excited to finally see what face and eye AF tracking is all about!
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poopinmymouth posted:Just pulled the trigger on a black X100f with black leather case. Excited to finally see what face and eye AF tracking is all about! It’s good - eye detect af in particular was really impressive to me since I was coming from the x-100 to the x-t1 to the x-t2 and the improvements going to the last body were just so pronounced.
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rio posted:It’s good - eye detect af in particular was really impressive to me since I was coming from the x-100 to the x-t1 to the x-t2 and the improvements going to the last body were just so pronounced. lol, I'm going from X100 original.
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poopinmymouth posted:lol, I'm going from X100 original. You will see a huge difference obviously haha. I still wish I had my old x100 though. There was something about that camera that was just so good and even the later x-trans versions couldn’t quite capture what it had going on. That have their own strengths of course but I wish it hadn’t sold it. And n top of that, that was my gateway into Fuji and the camera that got me to stop shooting canon and sell all of that gear to switch 100%.
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