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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:fi FDR hadn’t died maybe the USA and USSR could have allied after ww2 to take on Britain and France and dismantle colonialism forever
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The character of the state is also important, I'd argue. The character of the state can affect how internally things are distributed but if it's participating in a market it's pressured to reinvest into capital competitively. This is so that its market share (which determines how much it can import) doesn't diminish in the long term. And furthermore, it would have an incentive to investing in more than its competitors, which would increase its market share (and thus how much it can import) in the long term. Deciding to reinvest faster than before might come in the form of reallocating labor from, say, providing adequate healthcare, to improving the productivity of medicine manufacture (but not changing how many people work at manufacturing medicine until the overall consumption in that market falls). And even if your state doesn't choose to make such a reinvestment, if a competitor does, you will be able to import less. But yes, the loss/gains in imports & production could be made in a more equitable way depending on the state's structure.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Look at those socialist failures who didn't even manage to rack up half as many kills as the good old British Empire. 250 million people when there were 1-1.6 billion. Thats a lot of famines in india
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erasing the crimes that were perpetuated by the British colonial regimes well into the 20th century is pretty hosed up imho
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Dreddout posted:erasing the crimes that were perpetuated by the British colonial regimes well into the 20th century is pretty hosed up imho If only there were somewhere inbetween it not happening and 1/4 of the world dying.
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Despera posted:Is this where all the "ironic" holodormor deniers hang out? Is this where the titanic shitheads trundle in to ask stupid bait questions?
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Dreddout posted:erasing the crimes that were perpetuated by the British colonial regimes well into the 20th century is pretty hosed up imho The British made sure to just dump all of their imperial records into the ocean after they saw what happened to the Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Legacy
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Dec 2, 2017 07:52
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Great irish famine killed 1 million people. Thats like a june in Mao's china.
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R. Guyovich posted:Is this where the titanic shitheads trundle in to ask stupid bait questions? Its only bait if you deny it
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Despera posted:Its only bait if you deny it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
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Despera posted:Great irish famine killed 1 million people. Thats like a june in Mao's china. Considering the scale, the Great Famine in Ireland was more than double the Great Leap Forward's mortality rate at 20-25%, and it wasn't the only British-caused Irish famine either. The Famine of 1740-41 had a 35% mortality rate.
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Best thing about starving to death in a communist country is the labels. Under capatalism you are just poor. Under communism starving to death makes you a "rightest" and "capitalist agitator".
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Despera is the Clinton shill who used to have the drinky woman avatar, right?
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Despera posted:Best thing about starving to death in a communist country is the labels. Under capatalism you are just poor. Under communism starving to death makes you a "rightest" and "capitalist agitator". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Considering the scale, the Great Famine in Ireland was more than double the Great Leap Forward's mortality rate at 20-25%, and it wasn't the only British-caused Irish famine either. The Famine of 1740-41 had a 35% mortality rate. Causality is a funny thing since the british didnt invent infestans.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Despera is the Clinton shill who used to have the drinky woman avatar, right? Beats shilling for stalin
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Despera posted:Beats shilling for stalin Unlike Clinton Stalin won.
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resar posted:Unlike Clinton Stalin won.
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resar posted:Unlike Clinton Stalin won. Yes but the millions wasted were votes not people
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Despera posted:Yes but the millions wasted were votes not people Kulak spotted.
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Despera posted:250 million people when there were 1-1.6 billion. Thats a lot of famines in india https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule p sick to engage in denialism of the horrors of capitalism imo
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Despera posted:Causality is a funny thing since the british didnt invent infestans. Withholding life saving aid because it would interfere too much in the markets is a pretty important cause.
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How many castles did the Bolsheviks take from your family, Despera?
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Cerebral Bore posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule Everyone who ever starved under communism was murdered by the state, whereas everyone who ever starved under capitalism was a lazy bum who (let's be honest) probably had it coming
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gtrmp posted:Everyone who ever starved under communism was murdered by the state, whereas everyone who ever starved under capitalism was a lazy bum who (let's be honest) probably had it coming Same but with extrajudicial killings
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R. Guyovich posted:Is this where the titanic shitheads trundle in to ask stupid bait questions? yes
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even if you think the holdomor was real it’s like...okay so Stalin intentionally killed anti semites what’s the big deal just my take
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I think the holodomor is one of the most important events in American politics in the 21st century
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I think he should holodoless
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We just voted at the Boston DSA general meeting on whether to do a holodomor and guys.... It passed!!!
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Karl Barks posted:We just voted at the Boston DSA general meeting on whether to do a holodomor and guys.... It passed!!! sooo what's your target? cambridge?
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resar posted:Unlike Clinton Stalin won. 
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Despera posted:Great irish famine killed 1 million people. Thats like a june in Mao's china. virgin british imperialists vs chad crop-eating locusts
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“It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment. Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.”
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how does the ukrainian famine under the soviets compare with the colonial famines under the british
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