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‘We’ve already lost’ — GOP takes stock of the nightmare unfolding in Alabamaquote:“If [Republicans] lose, the lesson is, you nominate a far-right wing nutcase candidate, you’re going to lose the seat,” said veteran GOP pollster Whit Ayres. “If he wins, then the lesson is, you nominate a far-right wing nutcase candidate, then it puts the party in an impossible situation where you’ve got someone deemed not fit to serve in the body to which he’s been elected.” 
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Alter Ego posted:He cannot shut the gently caress up about Hillary Clinton. It's bizarre. He needs an immaculately evil "Other" to blame for all his failings or his administration doesn't work. E. Boner talk is weird yea, although I'm guilty of it too.
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Good. That's exactly how you want them to feel. Problem is that we need Trump's base to feel like losers, and if Roy Moore wins, they won't.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Remember the Trump TV patent and him publicly being coy about conceding if he lost? there was a recent article about how during the campaign he never planned to concede and to contest the results, like say, if 3 million illegals voted is the only reason he lost in a close race. The weird thing here is that I feel like had Hillary won at this point it would have been worse for America in the long run. You may well have seen the insanity and extremism on the right continue to run into infinite while the left becomes more and more disillusioned and apathetic. Trump is loving awful for the short term, but it's possible he might be what we need to finally wake up after a nice 70-80 year slumber in political apathy land. Short term? He's loving tons of things up. Long term? He and the right are likely galvanizing a couple generations of liberalism in America. Someone likened Trump to a vaccine. He's a weak dose of incompetent evil and we might well build resistance to it as a result. I genuinely thank the stars that he and his administration are so blatantly corrupt and incompetent because we could be in a far worse situation than we're in.
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Ague Proof posted:
Only in Trumpland does Linda McMahon's WWE connection seem like a positive for a government role. Story arc long con? 
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Saxophone posted:The weird thing here is that I feel like had Hillary won at this point it would have been worse for America in the long run. You may well have seen the insanity and extremism on the right continue to run into infinite while the left becomes more and more disillusioned and apathetic. It could theoretically turn out that way over the long term if we continue to get extraordinarily lucky due to Republican incompetence. But, like, we aren't out of the woods yet; this fever has not yet broken. Wait to make this argument in 2021 when the progressive left controls all three branches of the federal government and every major U.S. city remains habitable.
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Moore getting elected is only a loss if it screws with other elections. If they successfully keep electing shittier and shittier people that will still vote in lockstep for whatever economic madness the party wants it's not a problem for them since the party has never actually cared about any moral issue. Like electing a child predator might make people in OTHER states vote against Republicans more consistently (since I have long given up hope that Republican voters will vote against the party due to anything in a statistically significant amount) but if it doesn't then Moore getting elected is no worse than whatever standard ghoul they would have gotten instead.
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I look forward to the day Trump stands before a judge, and he tries to reach an economic settlement.
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Radish posted:Moore getting elected is only a loss if it screws with other elections. If they successfully keep electing shittier and shittier people that will still vote in lockstep for whatever economic madness the party wants it's not a problem for them since the party has never actually cared about any moral issue. In any one of like 40 other states in the Union, the accusations against Moore would have sunk him instantly. Unfortunately, this race happened to be one of the states where it didn't.
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Saxophone posted:The weird thing here is that I feel like had Hillary won at this point it would have been worse for America in the long run. You may well have seen the insanity and extremism on the right continue to run into infinite while the left becomes more and more disillusioned and apathetic.
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This was so obviously going to happen GOP Medicaid work rules imperil care for opioid abusers quote:Indiana, which expanded Medicaid coverage to 400,000 people under then-Gov. Mike Pence in 2015, is one of the states asking for federal waivers to impose Medicaid work requirements that are primarily targeted at working-age, able-bodied adults. Officials generally are seeking to mandate 20 hours per week of work, or participation in a job-related activity, including volunteering or training. Of course, Trump is doing nothing to actually combat it, and the administration has added no new money to it.
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What are the odds that Washpo have another round in the chamber for Moore if he wins, just to remind the Senate to do the needful?
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I think that a Hillary presidency would have been better in every way than a Trump presidency from her not gutting the government, net neutrality not being screwed with, SCOTUS appointments (even leaving the seats vacant would be better), and not signing this junk tax bill. However I don't think she would have addressed the issues that are fundamentally strangling the country which would have led to a Trump style candidate winning in 2020. Additionally everyday would be a new made up scandal that the press would push since if the GOP is constantly moaning about it, there must be SOME truth. I wouldn't be surprised if she's already been impeached by the House in the alternate Earth where she won last year. It's WAY too early to see if Trump is the acceleration dream (I doubt it will because he's going to do a gently caress ton of damage), but I think the Democrat's style of governing was going to lead us to this point inevitably.Mercury Ballistic posted:What are the odds that Washpo have another round in the chamber for Moore if he wins, just to remind the Senate to do the needful? There's no scenario where if Moore wins he isn't seated. That was the case before McConnell decided that publicly supporting a child predator for the Senate wasn't a problem. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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Radish posted:There's no scenario where if Moore wins he isn't seated. That was the case before McConnell decided that publicly supporting a child predator for the Senate wasn't a problem. It has literally been Access tape part deux, same loving exact timeline.
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canepazzo posted:It has literally been Access tape part deux, same loving exact timeline. The funny thing is, if Moore gets into the Senate and is seated, he's going to be a huge problem for McConnell; he will make the House Freedom Caucus look like Herbert Walker Bush. He's a liability even without the pedophilia charges. Dude's been removed from office twice. But McConnell's going to give that scorpion a ride because that's what you do.
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I got a phone call for a "poll" yesterday that was very obviously hired out to be a Republican number booster. "how likely are you to vote for claire mccaskill, knowing that she is weak on illegal immigration" "how likely are you to vote for claire mccaskill, who says she's independent, but voted with Obama 90% of the time and SOCIALIST Bernie Sanders 140% of the time" "how favorably do you see Obamacare, since it raised premiums by 145% in Missouri" VR something or other insights. That poo poo should be illegal to call a poll.
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Saxophone posted:The weird thing here is that I feel like had Hillary won at this point it would have been worse for America in the long run. You may well have seen the insanity and extremism on the right continue to run into infinite while the left becomes more and more disillusioned and apathetic. I do take a little solace in the fact that america's brush with fascism is with someone really, really, really incompetent and disliked who surrounds himself with people equally so.
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can we just continue to relish in this?quote:WSIL -- One of the area's biggest coal companies opposes the Senate tax plan, calling it a "mockery of tax reform."
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alpha_destroy posted:I'm gonna tell a quick story about the depth of FYGM. The good news is the grad student tax increase didn’t make it into the Senate bill.
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"How likely are you to vote for Josh Hawley" You mean the idiot fucker who literally voted illegally ALREADY since being elected MO Attorney General in 2016? Uh, not very likely. also lol@ the tax bill being so toxic even coal companies hate it.
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No Butt Stuff posted:I got a phone call for a "poll" yesterday that was very obviously hired out to be a Republican number booster. How likely are you too vote Billy for class president, who says he's for longer naptime but agreed with SOCIALIST Mrs. Walters that if you bring your own cupcake you need to bring enough for the rest of the class?
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Trumps lawyer now reporting that the president cannot be guilty of OOJ. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/trump-john-dowd-obstruct-justice/index.html This is straight up Nixon defense.
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Radish posted:Moore getting elected is only a loss if it screws with other elections. If they successfully keep electing shittier and shittier people that will still vote in lockstep for whatever economic madness the party wants it's not a problem for them since the party has never actually cared about any moral issue. I don't see Republicans from other states giving a poo poo. "Well, at least my guy isn't a kiddy diddler." I mean anyone intelligent enough to put the pieces together and say "hmm maybe the Republican party is hosed up as a whole" would not be a Republican. Maybe a few people stay home. edit: Actually, I think you are talking about undecided/Dem voters and you are saying the same thing I am. My bad.
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Casey Finnigan posted:Is Trump's personal tweeting still obvious by checking the device that sent the tweets cause he's always using his android? He started using an iPhone around May-ish IIRC
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cr0y posted:Trumps lawyer now reporting that the president cannot be guilty of OOJ. Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.
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A bit of 4th-dimensional chess/game theory here, but I've been wondering if there's a point at which the Republicans are forced to dump Trump to avoid President Pelosi? If a midterm Dem wave looks increasingly likely, the Dems might spin this as a mandate to 'drain the swamp' for real. And it's seeming like there might be enough to to take down Trump, Pence, and Sessions. But if the Republicans get ahead of this and sack Trump, they get to look principled and say 'let's get back to the regular business of doing government'. I think the public would be sated by Trump getting tossed, and I doubt you'd have the continuing fervor or momentum to impeach anyone else, much less Pence. There's no way that wouldn't be spun as a coup. A disclaimer that this is far from my usual standard of rigour even for posting in these forums, but spun out from a discussion I had with a friend this morning.
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Saxophone posted:The weird thing here is that I feel like had Hillary won at this point it would have been worse for America in the long run. You may well have seen the insanity and extremism on the right continue to run into infinite while the left becomes more and more disillusioned and apathetic. What you're saying might be true on a very long term basis, but you're assuming that people's historical memories are going to be very strong and their beliefs are also going to be pretty constant. I think those are 2 big assumptions to make. People get more conservative as they get older and most voters aren't politically active or interested enough to remember what happened in the middle to distant past. Also, unless a bunch of Supreme Court justices and federal district court and Court of Appeals judges die very soon and a Democratic congress and president are in place when replacements are made, Trump's legacy is going to remain because you will have a bunch of true believers clogging up the branch of our government that is designed to be counter-majoritarian. They will be churning out as many opinions as possible making restoration of the regulatory state and various understandings of our specific and implicit Constitutional rights as difficult as possible (if not impossible).
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Liquid Communism posted:That's an insult to the noble weasel.  They're both references to the finest piece of political writing of the last 30 years
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I do take a little solace in the fact that america's brush with fascism is with someone really, really, really incompetent and disliked who surrounds himself with people equally so. I'm just hoping we at least try and learn a lesson and not just immediately go "phew glad that Trump business is over, now back to treating Republicans like respectable people despite them having supported him without question."
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JVNO posted:A bit of 4th-dimensional chess/game theory here, but I've been wondering if there's a point at which the Republicans are forced to dump Trump to avoid President Pelosi? If a midterm Dem wave looks increasingly likely, the Dems might spin this as a mandate to 'drain the swamp' for real. And it's seeming like there might be enough to to take down Trump, Pence, and Sessions. But if the Republicans get ahead of this and sack Trump, they get to look principled and say 'let's get back to the regular business of doing government'. I think the public would be sated by Trump getting tossed, and I doubt you'd have the continuing fervor or momentum to impeach anyone else, much less Pence. There's no way that wouldn't be spun as a coup. i don't think a single person in washington expects trump to make it to november 2018 sidenote: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/937705566511812608
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Radish posted:I'm just hoping we at least try and learn a lesson and not just immediately go "phew glad that Trump business is over, now back to treating Republicans like respectable people despite them having supported him without question." Americans aren't great with accountability and honest ownership of mistakes, so I am pretty pessimistic about this.
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Radish 16 years ago posted:I'm just hoping we at least try and learn a lesson and not just immediately go "phew glad that Bush business is over, now back to treating Republicans like respectable people despite them having supported him without question."
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GOOCHY posted:Only in Trumpland does Linda McMahon's WWE connection seem like a positive for a government role. Story arc long con? Linda really even wasn't a force in creative other than making sure that the business side of things running smoothly. Creative is all Vince. She also managed to stymie federal prosecution and save the company during the steroid trials, but that's a different story.
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turnip kid posted:can we just continue to relish in this? Whaaa How do I refine this and inject it straight into my veins
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JVNO posted:A bit of 4th-dimensional chess/game theory here, but I've been wondering if there's a point at which the Republicans are forced to dump Trump to avoid President Pelosi? If a midterm Dem wave looks increasingly likely, the Dems might spin this as a mandate to 'drain the swamp' for real. And it's seeming like there might be enough to to take down Trump, Pence, and Sessions. But if the Republicans get ahead of this and sack Trump, they get to look principled and say 'let's get back to the regular business of doing government'. I think the public would be sated by Trump getting tossed, and I doubt you'd have the continuing fervor or momentum to impeach anyone else, much less Pence. There's no way that wouldn't be spun as a coup. They won't because they view him as the leader of the party now. It's been that way since he made everyone get in line after the primaries. Nobody will stand up to him, and I'm doubting they ever will. There might be some armchair psychologist stuff in there about a bunch of nerdy white guys from the sticks being bullied by a Manhattan blowhard.
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VitalSigns posted:Whaaa By having oil refineries come out with similar statements
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Data Graham posted:By having oil refineries come out with similar statements gently caress you, central PA and your pointless, lost dreams of loving coal.
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Brony Car posted:Americans aren't great with accountability and honest ownership of mistakes, so I am pretty pessimistic about this. This goes triple for the pundit and political class so me too. VitalSigns posted:Whaaa There's a dark comedy if this tax bill is like Net Neutrality repeal and it's a overall loss for business but because it makes a small fraction of donors happy that's all that matters. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Dec 4, 2017 |
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