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https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/937870498863767552?s=17 Democracy was a mistake
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Raskolnikov38 posted:or they could have had balls, nuked the filibuster and passed it with 51 just like Mitch is doing right now If you're talking about the tax bill, that's not what's happening.
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Dec 5, 2017 03:43
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Vox Nihili posted:That's true but let's be honest here, the GOP would have done it anyway for their SCOTUS seat. I'm starting to think our government hasn't been put together very intelligently
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Dec 5, 2017 03:43
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comedyblissoption posted:Ok I looked it up and you're right mostly and I'm wrong. They only had 58 for a caucus in the lame duck session for 2010 because they got owned in special elections for 2010 which gave republicans 2 seats. I thought this bill and obamacare happened in the same year, but they happened on two separate years. Your timeline is a little wrong. Both Franken and Arlen voted for the tax cut extensions in 2010 as democrats: In appreciation of this post I will acknowledge that Obama indeed sucks & definitely dropped the ball on slamming through legislation with his brief filibuster-proof majority. They had an opportunity to pass anything for a few months, well, at least as far as Lieberman could be dragged to support something decent.
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Dec 5, 2017 03:46
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My biggest beef with Obama tho is his infrequently-covered failure to fill every judicial seat while he had the opportunity.
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Dec 5, 2017 03:49
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“Obama did [Republican thing] and still got reélected !” *ignores 2010* *ignores that 2012 was significantly closer than his 2008 victory* Obama’s failures at the start led us to where we are today. Maybe his dumb “compromise as goal, not means” ideology was massively unpopular and he only retained office because people still had enough good will remaining to buy into the “lesser evil” scenario at least once.
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Dec 5, 2017 03:54
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Vox Nihili posted:If you're talking about the tax bill, that's not what's happening. well no because that shows the dems are even more stupid for not using reconciliation
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Dec 5, 2017 03:54
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Vox Nihili posted:My biggest beef with Obama tho is his infrequently-covered failure to fill every judicial seat while he had the opportunity. And they waited to modify the filibuster to ease federal judiciary confirmations until they had very little time to use it which might have been more Reid's fault but it was dumb.
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Dec 5, 2017 03:55
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Neeksy posted:“Obama did [Republican thing] and still got reélected !” 2012 being closer than 2008 isnt saying much because 2008 was a historic blowout Grondoth posted:I'm starting to think our government hasn't been put together very intelligently it was actually put together very intelligently from the perspective of someone trying to limit small-d democratic control as much as possible
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Dec 5, 2017 04:01
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yah the founding fathers were contemptuous of democracy. they realized the age old problem that if you let the masses have a vote when there is great inequality, then the masses will vote to reduce the inequality. there are two historic solutions to this problem. make society less unequal or simply don't have democracy. the latter solution was chosen.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:well no because that shows the dems are even more stupid for not using reconciliation Im pretty sure they could not have used reconciliation but the reconciliation rules are insane and arbitrary so who knows.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:13
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Vox Nihili posted:Im pretty sure they could not have used reconciliation but the reconciliation rules are insane and arbitrary so who knows. reconciliation is how they ended up passing it after making sure the ACA did fuckall
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Dec 5, 2017 04:19
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Shear Modulus posted:2012 being closer than 2008 isnt saying much because 2008 was a historic blowout 2012 was the first time in a very long time where an incumbent president was re-elected with less EVs. That plus the 2010 and 2014 curbstomping was a real warning sign
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Dec 5, 2017 04:23
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The real problem with the "Democratic" majority in both houses in 2009 is that it had the Blue Dogs playing pretty much the same role as the Freedom Caucus/whatever the Senate version is, in spoiling things and keeping decorum. If they hadn't kept all those self-defeating supermajority and whatnot provisions in, the Blue Dogs and Republicans would just form a coalition like the IDC and the Republicans in the New York State Senate. The real answer is making goddamn sure that when someone has a (D) by their name it means something beyond "too embarrassed to run as a Republican this year".
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Dec 5, 2017 04:24
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Absurd Alhazred posted:The real problem with the "Democratic" majority in both houses in 2009 is that it had the Blue Dogs playing pretty much the same role as the Freedom Caucus/whatever the Senate version is, in spoiling things and keeping decorum. If they hadn't kept all those self-defeating supermajority and whatnot provisions in, the Blue Dogs and Republicans would just form a coalition like the IDC and the Republicans in the New York State Senate. nah, Pelosi whipped those fuckers and got poo poo passed. her House passed a public option, card check, and a bunch of environmental measures. the Senate was mismanaged through a combination of Franken not being seated, Kennedy refusing to resign, Obama failing to reign in Lieberman, and pushing taxes on union healthcare plans to gently caress Coakley in MA.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:29
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democrats literally had the power to pass anything they wanted for two years, anything at all that may have won them support in 2010 and instead did gently caress all with it
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Dec 5, 2017 04:31
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Joementum posted:nah, Pelosi whipped those fuckers and got poo poo passed. her House passed a public option, card check, and a bunch of environmental measures. Hmm.. Well, to be fair, I wasn't in country at the time, so I may have a pretty vague understanding of how that went down. Jesus, Franken wasn't seated until June 30th! 
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Dec 5, 2017 04:32
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Hmm.. Well, to be fair, I wasn't in country at the time, so I may have a pretty vague understanding of how that went down. Jesus, Franken wasn't seated until June 30th! it was fun watching the recount on cspan where franken's lawyer had to argue that the write in vote for frankenstein was actually a vote for him
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Dec 5, 2017 04:32
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Raskolnikov38 posted:democrats literally had the power to pass anything they wanted for two years, anything at all that may have won them support in 2010 and instead did gently caress all with it That's not really true, though they did have several months. The great bulk of the time from 2009-2011 was spent just short of a filibuster-proof majority. Whether they would have done better with more time is up for debate.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:34
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Vox Nihili posted:That's not really true, though they did have several months. The great bulk of the time from 2009-2011 was spent just short of a filibuster-proof majority. Whether they would have done better with more time is up for debate. They could have just canceled automatic filibuster, though. It's the Senate, they can upend whatever they want.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:35
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Kennedy refusing to resign while dying of cancer was the dumbest, most egotistical, most Kennedy thing ever.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:36
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Joementum posted:Kennedy refusing to resign while dying of cancer was the dumbest, most egotistical, most Kennedy thing ever. I think the most Kennedy thing is JFK's Dad pushing him to publish his senior thesis as a book to raise his public profile.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:37
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the filibuster is the special armor suit tony stark created to battle filipino threats
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Dec 5, 2017 04:37
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actually the most kennedy thing is teddy still having a loving career for decades after willfully killing a woman
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I think the most Kennedy thing is JFK's Dad pushing him to publish his senior thesis as a book to raise his public profile. the most kennedy thing is one of them drunk driving into the barriers in front of the rhode island capitol while trying to get to work one morning
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Dec 5, 2017 04:40
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Actually the most Kennedy thing is lobotomizing your daughter because she couldn't compete with her brothers
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Dec 5, 2017 04:52
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gently caress the kennedys
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Dec 5, 2017 04:53
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Why England Slept is not half bad. I wonder how much of that is native Kennedy talent and how much is the various ghostwriters Ambassadaddy hired for him. Also, it's hilarious that he was basically the Bashar of the Kennedy family; Joseph Jr. was supposed to be next in line to Be Somebody but played war hero too well and died.
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Dec 5, 2017 04:53
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Raskolnikov38 posted:gently caress the kennedys loving the Kennedys only results in more Kennedys.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:loving the Kennedys only results in more Kennedys.
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Dec 5, 2017 05:05
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the family has a strange and disturbing duality to it, a light and a dark side, a Ken and an Eddy side
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Dec 5, 2017 05:05
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dynasties are good actually
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Dec 5, 2017 05:08
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Why do people like the Kennedys so much if they were such horrible people?
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Dec 5, 2017 05:17
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do people like the Kennedys so much if they were such horrible people? they were the first democrats to care about deficits
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Dec 5, 2017 05:19
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why do people like the Kennedys so much if they were such horrible people? Incredible cheekbone structure. The young one in the house is very charismatic and handsome, which is memorable in a Congress full on ancient hell demons, fugly failsons and other monstrosities. They are also rich
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Dec 5, 2017 05:34
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Bobby was a good Kennedy. The rest are trash.
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Dec 5, 2017 05:40
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Ted tried to redeem himself at the end by trying to finish off the Clintons in 2008.
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loving bad dem mothersfuckers gently caress gently caress fucccccc https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/937901666963038218 https://twitter.com/pareene/status/937903582988460032
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any senator that votes to break a filibuster on a dodd frank repeal is a piece of poo poo
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