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I dont know posted:For those of us who don't play multi, what are the tiers currently? I assumed that the generalist factions like empire, orc, and bretonnia were the tops. Lizardmen/Dark Elves/Beastmen are top tier right now with dwarves and high elves being strong contenders in my experience. Empire and Bretonnia both struggles really hard right now outside of net gimmicking for the empire (and they don't even do that very well) e; multiplayer is honestly pretty decently balanced right now though so you can do well playing whatever. Kainser fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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I dont know posted:For those of us who don't play multi, what are the tiers currently? I assumed that the generalist factions like empire, orc, and bretonnia were the tops. That was true in WH1, but a lot of changes really dumpstered Bretonnia in particular to bottom tier. General consensus among the better players I've talked to. Top Dark Elves Lizardmen Beastmen Skaven Mid High Elves Dwarves Wood Elves Orcs Empire Chaos Low Vampire Counts Bretonnia That's sort of a general ordering. There's a lot of dispute around the edges, and some factions have just incredibly bad matchups against 'lower tier' factions so this isn't a straight power list or anything. Also some are really dependant on insane micro to do well (Empire, Skaven, Beastmen in particular) Zore fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Is there a mod that makes dwarves distrust each other? I feel like if the dwarves were at war with each other a lot instead of confederating, the tide of blue would be a lot more balanced. Absolutely, though it also hits them with an upkeep penalty: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1188295824&searchtext=badlands+balance The penalties are tied to settlement capitals, so the bigger they get, the worse the penalties become. It's basically Great Power and Lord Upkeep penalties in hyperdrive. If you're a glutton for punishment, try playing as Dwarfs with it on. Also, it interacts in a funny way with Mazz's T4 Settlements: the final level of minor settlement buildings doesn't get the penalty, so if you expand veeeeery slowly and take your time getting your minor settlement buildings to T4, you can mitigate the anger of your Dwarfen brethren. Or you could just go buckwild and gently caress them up anyway; it's not like the AI is smart enough to use plenty of artillery and prioritize targets like the player can. sassassin posted:It's okay once or twice but every time you move forward to fight back they've got fresh stacks led by the same lord. I always figured that Norscan AI stacked chariots because they had the "best" stat spread of all their units, which made them too powerful in autoresolve against the AI. I remember a midgame Empire army composition of mine being able to smash two Norscan stacks in autoresolve with recoverable losses, even with dumb comps like 50% chariots or whatever. Surely limiting them to garbage Marauders and Warhounds would be enough to gimp their ability to wreck Kislev and company?
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I dont know posted:For those of us who don't play multi, what are the tiers currently? I assumed that the generalist factions like empire, orc, and bretonnia were the tops. brettonia is now competing for straight worst faction
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what changed- bad matchups, mechanics changes, nerfs?
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StashAugustine posted:what changed- bad matchups, mechanics changes, nerfs? Combination of a lot of things. Healing got nerfed, the Fay Enchantress got nerfed into oblivion, most other faction's infantry got buffed while theirs didn't, none of their lores of magic got significantly buffed from the magic overhaul, and in general most other factions got way better tools for taking out things like the Bretonnian goon squads so its harder to lord snipe. Also direct damage spells being good and aimable means their chaff gets roasted and their archers are basically a liability. And the advent of Dragons means they no longer have the strongest air force. And Tempest/Warpgale means their air game gets shut down hard. Also all the new world factions take a huge dump on Cav in one way or another. Zore fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Yeah, Warhammer 2 has been a confirmed failure on their part and it's been showing. It's absolutely baffling how terrible the AI is compared to the first, how the mortal empires campaign was and still is a barely functioning mess, the game was a literal balance and patching backstep compared to the first and now DLC that you bought as a pre-order has been delayed to May, but of course if you want you can pay twenty euros for a DLC faction in January. So generous! I still haven't finished doing all the campaigns in the first Warhams and that's great, because it will probably take a while until CA fixes this mess. I definitely won't buy any more DLC for 2 until I can confirm this game is in proper order. Hell, the Vortex campaing itself, barring the terrible battle AI, is actually very fun. I love the Skaven and the loving dinossaurs. But lmao warhams 2 went right back into CA.txt
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StashAugustine posted:what changed- bad matchups, mechanics changes, nerfs? Zore posted:Also all the new world factions take a huge dump on Cav in one way or another. That's what I was going to go with, there are so many elite halberds or basic spearmen spam in every new faction or large units with anti large bonuses attached for dealing with all the monsters all over the place that it really hurts a cavalry focused army. The worst spearman you had to deal with before were empire halberds with regular soldier stats at 600g cost or chosen halberds at 1000g, now you got ultra elite halberds at 1200+ cost in the new races and even skaven get 850g elite halberds.
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I haven't really noticed the battle AI being any different than how it was in the first game.
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Zore posted:Combination of a lot of things. Healing got nerfed, the Fay Enchantress got nerfed into oblivion, most other faction's infantry got buffed while theirs didn't, none of their lores of magic got significantly buffed from the magic overhaul, and in general most other factions got way better tools for taking out things like the Bretonnian goon squads so its harder to lord snipe. Also direct damage spells being good and aimable means their chaff gets roasted and their archers are basically a liability. And the advent of Dragons means they no longer have the strongest air force. And Tempest/Warpgale means their air game gets shut down hard. I haven’t spent much time on Warhammer 2s multi, but what changed with healing for Bret?
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Mans posted:Yeah, Warhammer 2 has been a confirmed failure on their part and it's been showing. lol
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Honestly by now the op should have in the top in big bold letters if you are playing a very hard campaign set the battle AI to easy due to a bug
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Dec 5, 2017 21:09
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 How dare they make me spend $47 on this piece of poo poo bad game. I'm mad about free DLC I got to play in the first game for preordering the second game. I want to play my DLC for my bad trash game I hate RIGHT NOW. I will never buy the next DLC until I eventually do on day 1.
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Captain Beans posted:I haven’t spent much time on Warhammer 2s multi, but what changed with healing for Bret? Lore of Life healing was nerfed across the board. It hurt Bretonnia the worst since they don't have any other good lores of magic while everyone else does, or has a caster with combined lores.
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Kainser posted:I haven't really noticed the battle AI being any different than how it was in the first game. I haven't noticed 90% of the problems people are getting real mad at video games over. I must be a terrible person.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Honestly by now the op should have in the top in big bold letters if you are playing a very hard campaign set the battle AI to easy due to a bug Is there a way to fix Legendary? Also, this means that Easy battle difficulty is VH, right?
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The bug to give the AI leadership penalties instead of bonuses is pretty silly though
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sicarius posted:Is there a way to fix Legendary? Also, this means that Easy battle difficulty is VH, right? Its only those two difficulties that are affected. Hard and Normal work as intended.
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It would be nice if vampires got a unit that can deal with large threats better then skeleton spearmen, the terrorgheist isn't very cost efficient for dealing with large threats and usually loses in a fight against one. I feel like Lizardmen do the "blob of unbreakable melee followed by incredibly strong monsters all backed up by craptons of healing and offensive magic" better then vampires do now. What are the odds of graveguard halberds being added to the lineup? Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Dec 5, 2017 |
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Xae posted:I haven't noticed 90% of the problems people are getting real mad at video games over. loving same I mean I only have like 50 hours played, all in Normal SP, so it's probably because I'm a filthy scrub casual v  v
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Xae posted:I haven't noticed 90% of the problems people are getting real mad at video games over. ChickenWing posted:loving same I think it's because, honestly, most of the issues are contained to "loving Norsca are awful again" (which is true), and the Diplomacy problems at Legendary.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:It would be nice if vampires got a unit that can deal with large threats better then skeleton spearmen, the terrorgheist isn't very cost efficient for dealing with large threats and usually loses in a fight against one. Crypt Horrors and Varghulfs should fill that role, but they really need some buffs to be effective. Blood Knights are also good but they're also hella expensive.
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We've come full circle. Crypt Horrors in need of buffs.
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sicarius posted:Is there a way to fix Legendary? Also, this means that Easy battle difficulty is VH, right? Legendary, normal and hard are all fine, and yes it means easy campaigns have VH battle difficulty lol
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Dandywalken posted:We've come full circle. Crypt Horrors in need of buffs. Basically all the monstrous infantry do right now. Minotaurs, Kroxigors, Trolls, Rat Ogres etc. The changes to give them more models seems to have made all of them weaker across the board. The only one people even consistently use now is Rogres because they're just about the only unit the Skaven have with any mass whatsoever so they can stop dudes on dragons or chariots just merrily pushing through all your dudes.
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Gitro posted:Idk how, but I managed to replicate the not moving after projectile = no ability cd bug on a new skill. Oh well. It also doesn't seem possible to create recursive projectiles and I'm very sad. If you could make such a mod I’d really appreciate it! I’ve seen a lot of people asking for something similar, so I think it’d be popular. I really don’t need much of a change here, Something like lessening the penalty based on the type of deal that was broken and maybe a reduction in the number of turns your rating is ranked for. Thank you!!
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sicarius posted:I think it's because, honestly, most of the issues are contained to "loving Norsca are awful again" (which is true), and the Diplomacy problems at Legendary. I kind of like Norsca being trash tier as Dark Elves. 420 poo poo on two stacks with a T1 stack and get thousands of slaves e'ery day.
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Xae posted:I kind of like Norsca being trash tier as Dark Elves. 420 poo poo on two stacks with a T1 stack and get thousands of slaves e'ery day. The problem isn't that they're too easy to beat in battle, it's that the campaign AI will churn out endless armies of high-veterancy chariots and take over half the map if it gets a chance. In both the Vortex and Mortal Empires campaigns this tends to manifest as Norscans being the number 1 strength power in the game, because unlike game 1 they can keep taking more territory and using their extremely good economy and experience buildings to snowball. The Varg taking over the entire Empire is like... semi-regular now.
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Mans posted:Yeah, Warhammer 2 has been a confirmed failure on their part and it's been showing. The TWC... it’s posting from inside the thread!
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even with the technical problems of norsca, I am still not upset at CA for taking on an ambitious project and giving us one of the best warhammer games to date but that is mainly because of the warhammer video game curse
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Also, the mod that makes the ai not build marauder cav or chariots makes norse bearable
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Dandywalken posted:Lmao Sassassin was right again! Cygors are in fact whack as gently caress! This threads gone topsy turvy! My posts are usually proven accurate over time. Future SA scholars will consider me a prophet.
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So did all of you guys having complete mental breakdowns right now just not read the preorder bonus before you got it? All the marketing clearly said you were getting DLC for the first game and CA never hid the fact that the Norsca would be coming late to ME. Like, yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled about having to wait until loving May either, but acting like you never received your pre-order bonus or that CA did some sort of bait and switch are either illiterate or willfully ignorant.
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Possibly the greatest mod since the deformed kislev bears:
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New Butt Order posted:So did all of you guys having complete mental breakdowns right now just not read the preorder bonus before you got it? All the marketing clearly said you were getting DLC for the first game and CA never hid the fact that the Norsca would be coming late to ME. Like, yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled about having to wait until loving May either, but acting like you never received your pre-order bonus or that CA did some sort of bait and switch are either illiterate or willfully ignorant. Nice meltdown
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New Butt Order posted:So did all of you guys having complete mental breakdowns right now just not read the preorder bonus before you got it? All the marketing clearly said you were getting DLC for the first game and CA never hid the fact that the Norsca would be coming late to ME. Like, yeah, I'm not exactly thrilled about having to wait until loving May either, but acting like you never received your pre-order bonus or that CA did some sort of bait and switch are either illiterate or willfully ignorant. Lol yeah it's pretty normal for "coming late" to be 8 months later. Get out of here with that poo poo. It's clear the CA hosed up very very badly, trying to do far more at once than their studio could handle. It's perfectly reasonable to be "mad bout games" in this scenario. They are releasing Norsca this late due to extreme mismanagement that should probably cause someone to lose their job, likely whoever the gently caress approved their "merge it later" strategy.
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Turns out that Darren weirdo was the only thing holding that shitshow together.
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I think Darren is still sperging out about the lack of reload animations or whatever it was he was raging over.
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Dandywalken posted:Turns out that Darren weirdo was the only thing holding that shitshow together. Yeah if only they'd followed his sage advice to implement squalor mechanics in Warhammer.
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Xae posted:I haven't noticed 90% of the problems people are getting real mad at video games over. It's because you're too busy paying more taxes for more DOOMWHEELS, and we all know that more DOOMWHEELS equals more fun. More fun means you don't give a poo poo about these dumb problems because you're too busy playing a good game rather than being a terrible person.
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