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Gorilla Salad posted:The Jesus bigot faction is not about to let up putting in their "what about the cake makers" discrimination amendments, no matter how hopeless.
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Is there anyway the Libs don't use this new s44 poo poo to delay the SSM vote to the new year while the press eats it up and blames Labor?
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JBP posted:Can you get done for writing a story about a child? I think it's a grey area. I think you're fine providing you don't do anything other than keep it for your own, uh, enjoyment based on what I've been able to turn up. I'm not actually sure if the law has anything on the specific topic. Pictures, certainly. Drawings, yes. But writing, even for the purposes of erotica? I'm not sure. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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Dimebag posted:Is there anyway the Libs don't use this new s44 poo poo to delay the SSM vote to the new year while the press eats it up and blames Labor? Too many Liberals are sick and tired of the hard right's stalling tactics on marriage equality for that to happen.
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Don't forget he was talking to people online about his urges and described himself as a "proud pedo", everything said in his defense is just bullshit to get him a lighter charge
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Milky Moor posted:I think it's a grey area. I think you're fine if you do anything other than keep it for your own, uh, enjoyment based on what I've been able to turn up. I'm not actually sure if the law has anything on the specific topic. Pictures, certainly. Drawings, yes. But writing, even for the purposes of erotica? I'm not sure. That's really interesting. I never knew the rules extended to drawings and writing in any way.
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JBP posted:That's really interesting. I never knew the rules extended to drawings and writing in any way. See, I don't think they extend to writing specifically. I think you can write it and keep it to yourself without a problem. A lot of the legal stuff I remember finding was relating to transmitting it to other people, say, over an Internet connection. And that was an offense. It's something I looked into when the MUSHing world had a dramabomb about it a few years back. Like, it was an offense to create it and to send it or to recieve it but not to create it and keep it to yourself, from what I can recall. I imagine it straddles the line around freedom of expression. Images -- drawn or otherwise -- are much more clear-cut.
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JBP posted:That's really interesting. I never knew the rules extended to drawings and writing in any way. There was a guy nearly a decade back who got done in for Simpsons porn involving the kids but that guy had also been got for the real deal a few years before that so he got treated a bit more harshly than he would have otherwise
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JBP posted:That's really interesting. I never knew the rules extended to drawings and writing in any way. I believe the term used is depictions. But that's one part of Austlii I'd rather not go digging through.
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Milky Moor posted:See, I don't think they extend to writing specifically. I think you can write it and keep it to yourself without a problem. A lot of the legal stuff I remember finding was relating to transmitting it to other people, say, over an Internet connection. And that was an offense. It's something I looked into when the MUSHing world had a dramabomb about it a few years back. Like, it was an offense to create it and to send it or to recieve it but not to create it and keep it to yourself, from what I can recall. There a hell of a lot of books written by child abuse survivors that are pretty sexually explicit when detailing the actual instances of abuse which could fall under that if it were outright illegal. They guy is mentally sick, but as no 'victim' is involved in either the form of child pornography pictures or videos shared and he didn't molest kids himself, I can't really say a crime had been committed, but there certainly has been punishment seeing the way he's treated as human garbage now. Our society grossly overreacts whenever the word paedophile is used that people think he should be assaulted, killed or locked up when he had been seeing a psychologist for almost 10 years specifically for him to cope with this problem. So, from my perspective the whole publicity around it has been a bit unjust.
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Milky Moor posted:I think it's a grey area. I think you're fine providing you don't do anything other than keep it for your own, uh, enjoyment based on what I've been able to turn up. I'm not actually sure if the law has anything on the specific topic. Pictures, certainly. Drawings, yes. But writing, even for the purposes of erotica? I'm not sure. It’s not a grey area, people have been convicted for it before. Australian law explicitly defines child porn very broadly. Anything that depicts or appears to depict a child is child porn - text can be child porn. Even porn starring adult actors can be child porn if the actors appear to be depicting underage characters - by wearing school uniforms for example. That’s also why small beast porn is banned here.
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That would mean everyone who owns a copy of a Game of Thrones is guilty though?The Lord Bude posted:That's also why small beast porn is banned here. Wait what?
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Zenithe posted:That would mean everyone who owns a copy of a Game of Thrones is guilty though? Good
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Zenithe posted:That would mean everyone who owns a copy of a Game of Thrones is guilty though? Small breast, I think he meant to write. Obviously porn involving beasts of any size is illegal.
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The Lord Bude posted:That’s also why small beast porn is banned here. Is a donkey a small, medium or large beast? Is this why Don Burke is in trouble?
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What if you just like small tiddy but not kids? Sounds harsh.
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Pretty tough but I'm glad Richard finally made this realisation about himself.
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Zenithe posted:That would mean everyone who owns a copy of a Game of Thrones is guilty though? Sorry iPhone autocorrect. I meant to say breast.
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JBP posted:Can you get done for writing a story about a child?
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That reminds me, what happened with that antifa teacher who got framed for inappropriate contact with minors or whatever? Did that ever get resolved?
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:That reminds me, what happened with that antifa teacher who got framed for inappropriate contact with minors or whatever? Did that ever get resolved? It did. I'll track it down. edit: Here. http://www.alexgollan.com/media.html He was sentenced, then reversed on appeal, but it sounds like the whole thing ruined his life anyway.
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MythLisp posted:There a hell of a lot of books written by child abuse survivors that are pretty sexually explicit when detailing the actual instances of abuse which could fall under that if it were outright illegal. You might want to explain your position a bit better here homie because kids being forced to make porn videos and images is in no way a victimless crime.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:You might want to explain your position a bit better here homie because kids being forced to make porn videos and images is in no way a victimless crime. Isn't he talking about Ben what's his name that never had the porn or the sex but had illicit literature?
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JBP posted:Isn't he talking about Ben what's his name that never had the porn or the sex but had illicit literature? If that's what they meant then I apologise.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:You might want to explain your position a bit better here homie because kids being forced to make porn videos and images is in no way a victimless crime. He's not saying child porn is a victimless crime, he's saying the ACA guy's specific actions (writing indecent poo poo about children) don't constitute child abuse. Milky Moor posted:It did. I'll track it down. Thanks for this. What a shame, I'm surprised it hasn't received more (any?) attention from the media.
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Somebody got done for it because they possessed naked pictures of The Simpsons kids
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:He's not saying child porn is a victimless crime, he's saying the ACA guy's specific actions (writing indecent poo poo about children) don't constitute child abuse. The only media attention he seems to have gotten was about the sentencing. If you search his name, it's the only stuff you find. There's no hint at all about the reversal. Still heaps of Facebook pages saying he's a child molester, though. It's basically the worst nightmare any man has when thinking about becoming a teacher.
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JBP posted:Isn't he talking about Ben what's his name that never had the porn or the sex but had illicit literature? Yeah, that was my intent. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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The graphic footage, seen by The Age, shows the teenager being grabbed by the hair and thrown to the floor several times as other male firefighters stroll around her casually. Four members of the volunteer brigade, including captain Hayden Allen, have been stood down over the November 27 attack. "As you are aware my name has been tarnished throughout the media," Mr Allen wrote in a public Facebook post on Wednesday. "Please understand that I can not make comment on the allegations that have been accused. But like all things there is two sides to every story and unfortunately we just have to ride the wave."
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Synthbuttrange posted:The graphic footage, seen by The Age, shows the teenager being grabbed by the hair and thrown to the floor several times as other male firefighters stroll around her casually. Um, what is this?
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JBP posted:Um, what is this? 4 adult male RFS members pinning down a 17 year old girl and hazing her with a fire hose.
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Interesting enough, in regards to how paedophilia is handled in Australia - it's almost all taught under Criminal Law at University, and not under Sexual Psychotherapy - which deals with transgenderism, the queer spectrum, loss of libido, hypersexuality and peoples specific and unusual kinks and all other aspects of peoples sex lives. So we've effectively created a culture where we wait for paedophiles to be identified only after a crime involving child porn either being consumed or produced or a sexual assault has taken place, and then use punitive measures such as incarceration and having people listed as sex offenders to be monitored every so often, which leads to higher rates of child sex abuse because the paedophiles keep everything secretive, hidden and don't seek help. Compare that to Germany. who want people to present themselves before offending with public ad campaigns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck3uOCyWB50 Putrid Dog fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Dec 6, 2017 |
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JBP posted:Um, what is this? Guillotine them all as a warning to others.
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Synthbuttrange posted:The graphic footage, seen by The Age, shows the teenager being grabbed by the hair and thrown to the floor several times as other male firefighters stroll around her casually. loving dogs. Completely unacceptable behaviour. I sincerely hope that young girl is okay, and the behaviour of these fucks hasn’t damaged her or her desire to help other people.
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MythLisp posted:Interesting enough, in regards to how paedophilia is handled in Australia - it's almost all taught under Criminal Law at University, and not under Sexual Psychotherapy - which deals with transgenderism, the queer spectrum, loss of libido, hypersexuality and peoples specific and unusual kinks and all other aspects of peoples sex lives. That's pretty interesting. Every time something like this comes up people fall over themselves to say all the horrible things they would do to offenders or what the justice system should do to them, without focusing firstly on how to best protect kids. People carrying on about how they should be murdered or raped in jail or otherwise tortured always gives me a weird vibe about the deep seated issues those people have themselves
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EoinCannon posted:That's pretty interesting. This is what people think justice is. I remember when my neighbour got robbed by junkies and she spat out how she hoped they died of overdoses and got AIDS from sucking dicks for drugs. This was a middle aged woman who lost a couple of grand in cash.
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EoinCannon posted:That's pretty interesting. It's the same with any hated minority group in Australia - drug addicts, the homeless. Policies which prevent harm are on the whole not implemented because the most popular thought is "Why should we help pedos/junkies/dole bludgers?" even though there's evidence that shows it is cost effective and protects the most vulnerable in our society. Like, if I were attracted to children and didn't want to assault anyone or break the law but was deeply struggling mentally with society's expectations and aggression towards me as an individual, how would I go about getting help? How many mental health professionals would be willing to see me? Would the cost of the appointments be covered under medicare? Will the information given be guaranteed to be kept confidential? Putting yourself in a paedophiles shoes isn't the most comfortable of thoughts for most people so we've collectively gone "Let the law deal with it", which does the most damage to peoples lives.
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