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dont even fink about it posted:Trump and his people probably very much like the idea of having an excuse to commence carpet bombing of the rest of the Middle East. Remember this is the administration that thinks the state department is no longer necessary anyway. probably true to an extent. but i think you are over estimating trumps brain smarts. he wants a "easy" "victory" with his base. mainly the evangelicals.
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Yep I'm sure that its about the evangelicals and not the Israel lobby that he's deeply involved with.
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Even a broken clock spinning in the moral vacuum of a Schrödinger's cat box is right sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PCmKmuuJvo http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42259443 quote:Israel lobby... Trump and his people Because Trump likes to helpfully advance the interests of others and doesn't just want attention. He only sides with Israel because they kill browns like he wishes he could.
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I'd love to hear the Trump bots' explanation on how this is beneficial to the United States.
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It's because previous presidents said they would do it and then didn't, so he can prove he's a strong president who courageously keeps his promises, unless those weak cowards Bush and Clinton who were scared of the Muslims.
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ISIS is probably dancing down the streets right now. I don't think trump could of given them a better recruiting tool if he tried.
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quote:The militant Palestinian group Hamas said Trump’s decision “opens the gates of hell.”   But we might just get this.  
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Drone_Fragger posted:ISIS is probably dancing down the streets right now. I don't think trump could of given them a better recruiting tool if he tried.  E: ISIS will be more than happy to take credit for any attacks done in their name in response to this, so that's still really bad. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/jerusalem-peace-process-white-house/index.html jesus. even the white house is admitting(sorta) it was massive gently caress up.
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I personally think all the leaders of state and organisations that are trying to good cop the situation by moaning about the peace process can go gently caress themselves as well. There's no peace process, Trump's just doing what y'all normally do, only with less tact.
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coathat posted:Yep I'm sure that its about the evangelicals and not the Israel lobby that he's deeply involved with. Trump is wildly despised in mainstream Israel advocacy groups. It's the true crazies like ZOA who support him. This is solely about throwing a temper tantrum, firing up his base, and deflecting from his scandals. It accomplishes absolutely nothing, and the people who actually care about Israel's security don't want anything to do with governing the majority of the Old City or the West Bank. I guess it'll be a good again discredit the accelerationists, in that this will accomplish nothing but a gigantic amount of human suffering? emanresu tnuocca posted:I never knew 20% of the population was an itty bitty tiny minority. In what universe are the Druze a threat to anybody?
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Kim Jong Il posted:In what universe are the Druze a threat to anybody? Perhaps this is my second rate foreigner's English but I understand that when someone says "tiny druze and arab minorities" that the sentence is to be understood as "tiny (druze and arab) minorities" ergo implying that both minorities are tiny.
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down in the valley the famine goes on famine up on the hill you say, don't shoot, seek peace, make love i say trump must be killed
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they should have sent a they DID send a poet 
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This thread ignoring the Jerusalem Embassy Act and pretending Trump actually made a meaningful policy change and getting pissed off is a great allegory for the world at large doing exactly the same. Reminder that Trump didn't move the embassy yet, in fact he didn't even set a date for when it's going to be moved, he already postponed doing this twice since he became elected, why assume this time it's meaningful? Trump makes big claims and does nothing, that's the Trump way.
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The... other thread being all erudite and echoing Hamas' rhetoric about the seals on the gates of hell being broken yada yada yada is especially funny and truly shows how easy it is for Trump to stir poo poo when everyone is so eager to take the bait. Like seriously, Trump's statement should have been met with a pantomime "jacking off" motion, instead everyone is giving him exactly what he wants. That's good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act
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emanresu tnuocca posted:This thread ignoring the Jerusalem Embassy Act and pretending Trump actually made a meaningful policy change and getting pissed off is a great allegory for the world at large doing exactly the same. Words and optics have power in politics. It doesnt matter if he doesnt do it, the toes wont be unstepped on. Besides other countries dont have the luxury that American politicians have with Trump, in that they can rely on his low words:actions ratio, America is still the most powerful country in the world and contingencies have to be set in place because what if the loving madman actually does it. And if he does hes going to be throwing around with the weight and authority of the US.
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woot woot https://twitter.com/hamza_780/status/938743670672707584
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that's a years old video from bahrain
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From the comments: https://twitter.com/Shaikh56263380/status/938751274832494593 e: fb
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emanresu tnuocca posted:This thread ignoring the Jerusalem Embassy Act and pretending Trump actually made a meaningful policy change and getting pissed off is a great allegory for the world at large doing exactly the same. It's super meaningful. No one cares about the location of the embassy itself, the problem is the official presidential recognition of Jerusalem.
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Cat Mattress posted:The answer is 1967. Hmmm not seeing the benefit to Israel in this compromise
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while oz katerji is not wrong about downplaying trump's bigotry, oz katerji is also out of his god damned mind
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I think a lot of the backlash is that this effectively puts the nail into the coffin of a two-state solution. Granted, it was as good as dead years ago in that no movement was happening regarding Palestinian statehood, but this is the first concrete action by the US that confirms the idea.
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nwo hatchet man posted:Hmmm not seeing the benefit to Israel in this compromise They get to stop being an Apartheid state. That's partially facetious but honestly there's more to life than how much land your nation controls on the map, you know? What does the average Israeli actually benefit from the occupation and settlements that they'll be giving up?
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botany posted:that's a years old video from bahrain no its not
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This "recognizing the reality on the ground" spiel can and will be thrown back at the USA in the future, in Crimea for starters.
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Reminder that the Dems are still just as garbage: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363465-schumer-advised-trump-on-declaring-jerusalem-as-israels-capital
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I'm curious, what do Israelis think of right wing media proudly proclaiming that "Trump has made Jerusalem the capital of Israel?" Because that's literally the words I've seen in quite a few places now. It seems odd that the US president has the power to proclaim what the capital of other countries is. A lot of people aren't even saying "officially recognize," but "made."
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spaceships posted:while oz katerji is not wrong about downplaying trump's bigotry, oz katerji is also out of his god damned mind A lot saner than the people who's bullshit he calls out.
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Most of these aren't recognizing any facts on the ground. Had, say, Mexico taken over Texas then it could be recognized as part of Mexico. But it hasn't. The reality is Texas seceded from Mexico, and then joined the US, and is now recognized as part of the US, after the US defeated Mexico in war. Meanwhile, China does hold Tibet and this rule is recognized by the world, occasional lip service given to the Dalai Lama nonwithstanding.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Most of these aren't recognizing any facts on the ground. Had, say, Mexico taken over Texas then it could be recognized as part of Mexico. But it hasn't. The reality is Texas seceded from Mexico, and then joined the US, and is now recognized as part of the US, after the US defeated Mexico in war. Meanwhile, China does hold Tibet and this rule is recognized by the world, occasional lip service given to the Dalai Lama nonwithstanding. So do you not worry that this sets a standard where we all agree that it's acceptable for countries to use military force to annex territory?
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Colonialists never worry about that, hypocrisy is integral to their philosophy.
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Orange Devil posted:So do you not worry that this sets a standard where we all agree that it's acceptable for countries to use military force to annex territory? I'm saying they're making irrelevant comparisons. VitalSigns posted:Colonialists never worry about that, hypocrisy is integral to their philosophy. I do wonder where I've left my pith helmet. 
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Orange Devil posted:So do you not worry that this sets a standard where we all agree that it's acceptable for countries to use military force to annex territory? Well, we essentially have agreed to that already. Everyone just agreed to pretend otherwise. As Trump said, we've been maintaining this fiction for decades and it hasn't accomplished anything, while Israel has been establishing "facts on the ground" totally unhindered for literally half a century.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I do wonder where I've left my pith helmet. please, don't be absurd
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