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Pendent posted:This only applies to matched play for the record. If you're doing narrative or something knock yourself out. I'd square this up with the opponent pre-game. In my group, we use the matched play rules all the time
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adamantium|wang posted:I know I'm late but these are cool. I used to love doing a bit more work on the larger bases of the HWTs: Thanks dude. I have 15 HWTs now and they're all modelled to some extent. They're a really great platform for that kind of light hobby stuff thanks to the big base and relatively small model on top of it. I like your sandbags, it's a good look for mortars. I definitely feel you on the missile launcher thing. I have 3 4-ML Dev squads for my BA from back when them supporting a Descent of Angels was a passable list, and I have zero urge to paint the one unpainted squad now that they're so underwhelming. I'll probably do it just to practice some BA before doing up some new stuff (since turning my BA into a reasonable 8th army is more or less starting from scratch), but it's a shame to do it knowing they'll only get used as filler until more useful things can be built and painted.
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Harkano posted:I'm still very new and I was just wondering if you could briefly explain makes the Relic Sicaran stand out above say a All Las Predator? The AP and Damage on the Accelerators seem way less than a Lascannon. Is it the number of shots on the Accelerators and the extra wounds? Or is it the Neutron Cannon one? (side note: why the hell are the Sicarans elites rather than HS?). I'm assuming a target like a Russ. The number of shots balances out the ap and damage loss for the accelerator cannon for the most part, that combined with it being tougher and I think faster with a very low profile and no penalty for firing on the move means you can hide it behind terrain and pop out on your turn to paste a unit with no penalty while predators are stuck choosing between hitting on 4s or risking getting blown away before they get a chance to act, since they are something of a priority target.
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Artum posted:The number of shots balances out the ap and damage loss for the accelerator cannon for the most part, that combined with it being tougher and I think faster with a very low profile and no penalty for firing on the move means you can hide it behind terrain and pop out on your turn to paste a unit with no penalty while predators are stuck choosing between hitting on 4s or risking getting blown away before they get a chance to act, since they are something of a priority target. This. In addition zero penalties for shooting flyers, and being a good 30 points cheaper. If you want a sicaran that has comparable anti-tank abilities the venator also received somewhere in the realm of a 75 point drop, and doesn't suffer from movement penalties. It clocks in around 235(40 points over a quad las pred) if you take it with double Lascannons, but is deadlier and once again you can move 14 inches and shoot without penalty.
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Artum posted:very low profile  (not mine, just a size comparison)
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Yeah, the Sicaran has some very definite advantages over Predators- even ones you missed like a more flexible main weapons that maintains mostly the same damage potential against vehicles- but it isn't even close to having a small profile. It's basically the same size as my Repulsor.
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Uroboros posted:This. In addition zero penalties for shooting flyers, and being a good 30 points cheaper. If you want a sicaran that has comparable anti-tank abilities the venator also received somewhere in the realm of a 75 point drop, and doesn't suffer from movement penalties. It clocks in around 235(40 points over a quad las pred) if you take it with double Lascannons, but is deadlier and once again you can move 14 inches and shoot without penalty. Artum posted:The number of shots balances out the ap and damage loss for the accelerator cannon for the most part, that combined with it being tougher and I think faster with a very low profile and no penalty for firing on the move means you can hide it behind terrain and pop out on your turn to paste a unit with no penalty while predators are stuck choosing between hitting on 4s or risking getting blown away before they get a chance to act, since they are something of a priority target. Thanks guys. I'll maybe proxy it and give him a go in place of a Pred.
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Picked up the BA book this afternoon. Looking forward to having a play at making Better Marines.
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Corrode posted:Picked up the BA book this afternoon. Looking forward to having a play at making Better Marines. I thought it didn't come out until Saturday?
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lol if you dont have an early hookup
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JoshTheStampede posted:I thought it didn't come out until Saturday? I am of course posting from the future, for any GW employees who happen to be reading this.
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Request time, you dirty heretics! I know what Mortarion and Magnus look like, thanks to their models, but i'm curious - what do the other Daemon Primarchs look like? Is there any art of them? I know Angron is big and red, and Fulgrim is a giant snake man.
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Lorgar stayed mostly the same, 'cept he's giant and got a crown of horns now. Ditto with Perty, giant and more machine now than man. 
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We're talking "Can wrestle a Knight without breaking a sweat" huge now.
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Angron is the size of a warhound titan.
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Uroboros posted:Angron is the size of a warhound titan. Holy poo poo! That's intimidating. What are they up to? Angron is banished by the Grey Knights to the warp. I'm curious if GW will be releasing any further Primarchs. It makes sense to release Magnus and Morty, cause of the Thousand Sons & Death Guard releases. Also, does Magnus just not give a poo poo what happened to his legion? If he's a sorcerer of that magnitude, can he not just reverse Ahriman's gently caress up?
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Couple questions about the GSC strategems: How does Return to the Shadows work in Matched Play? RttS says the unit redeploys at the end of the following movement phase, but MP rules say everything needs to be on the board by the end of battle round three. If I pull a unit out in round three or later are they then destroyed? Also, does the Primus get his re-roll in addition to the 3D6 roll for Meticulous Uprising?
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Warhammer Twitch are talking about Orlocks for Necromunda. They've just confirmed that they will be compatible with the Stealer Cult upgrade sprue. So there's some more variety for that army. Biker thug cultists.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Holy poo poo! That's intimidating. What are they up to? Angron is banished by the Grey Knights to the warp. I'm curious if GW will be releasing any further Primarchs. I think that power is beyond Magnus, a lot easier to break something than it is to unbreak it, or simply costs something he isn't willing to give. Angron - Banished about 1000 years prior to the current timeline. Demon banishing seems to only last as long as is relevant to the authors in question. I remember some greater demon from the Horus Heresy series gets his rear end banished several times in like the decade of the Heresy. That being said it is supposed to be an exceedingly rare thing to return a greater demon to the material plane, so I'd assume even harder for a Demon Primarch. Lorgar - Nothing? Perturabo - I am pretty sure there is fluff where he goes and does things. You'd think the two traitor legions who actually remained fairly organized post-heresy would have more active primarchs. Fulgrim - Apparently he does some things since he nearly killed Guilliman, which apparently happened before Abaddon returned from the eye and fought Sigismund. He also is some sort of giant snake thing with 4 arms. TheArmorOfContempt fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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Uroboros posted:remember some greater demon from the Horus Heresy series gets his rear end banished several times in like the decade of the Heresy. That being said it is supposed to be an exceedingly rare thing to return a greater demon to the material plane, so I'd assume even harder for a Demon Primarch. You're probably thinking of Ka'bandha, who has a hate-on for the blood angels. He'd show up and then sanguinius would kick his rear end several times during the heresy. After Terra he vanished for 10k years until the Sanguinor kicked his rear end again shortly before Leviathan hit Baal. When the great rift opened he was able to escape the warp again for just long enough to kill a lot (basically all) of the nids on the moons / in space and stack their skills in his symbol.
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Booley posted:You're probably thinking of Ka'bandha, who has a hate-on for the blood angels. He'd show up and then sanguinius would kick his rear end several times during the heresy. After Terra he vanished for 10k years until the Sanguinor kicked his rear end again shortly before Leviathan hit Baal. When the great rift opened he was able to escape the warp again for just long enough to kill a lot (basically all) of the nids on the moons / in space and stack their skills in his symbol. I am unsure, I know he shows up in Know No Fear after having already gotten owned in a previous book only to get banished within a couple minutes of returning because he gets a ceremonial dagger jammed into his skull.
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Zuul the Cat posted:Request time, you dirty heretics! That perturabo art isn't official, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. Angron looks like an even badder bloodthirster https://1d4chan.org/images/b/b8/Angrondemon.jpg Fulgrim is a big snake monster now http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/2/2f/Fulgrim.jpg/280px-Fulgrim.jpg http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/8/80/FulgrimDeathandDefiance.jpg/300px-FulgrimDeathandDefiance.jpg The others don't have official art as far as I know, just the four aligned ones, plus Lorgar
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Zuul the Cat posted:Holy poo poo! That's intimidating. What are they up to? Angron is banished by the Grey Knights to the warp. I'm curious if GW will be releasing any further Primarchs. That was less Ahriman and more Tzeentch. And no, that was the whole point. Tzeentch was already loving over the 1k sons and turning them all to chaos spawn. Ahriman was trying to save them from tzeentch warp mutation; and he did. Even if Magnus could reverse it, they'd still be hosed. Thats how Tzeentch rolls. His whole MO is creating xanatos gambits. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way tzeentch wins 
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Uroboros posted:Lorgar - Nothing? he mostly sits meditating (pouting) in his chambers of the word bearers temple-palace on their new homeworld in the eye of terror. he leaves running the legion to a council of dark apostles that still includes erebus in m42
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With the CA changes I'm pretty excited to have a 500 points Primaris force to paint! HQ - Primaris Captain with Power Fist and Plasma Pistol (106) Elite - Primaris Ancient (69) Troop - 5x Intercessors w/ Power Sword and Grenade Launcher (95) Troop - 5x Intercessors w/ Power Sword and Grenade Launcher (95) Fast Attack - 3x Inceptors w/ Assault Bolters(135) Comes out to precisely 500 points. For the Primaris Ancient I plan on taking the 30th Anniversary Space Marine and adding a flagpole to his backpack. Only instead of a flag it will be all the skulls of those my army has defeated. 
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Harkano posted:The difference in the Fire Raptor vs Stormraven seems slightly clearer. 2 more wounds, twice as many lascannons (at the cost of the meltas), a more reliable and better damaging bolter. So does the transport capacity of the Storm Raven just not matter? Seems like a big value over the Fire Raptor
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TheChirurgeon posted:So does the transport capacity of the Storm Raven just not matter? Seems like a big value over the Fire Raptor Typically flyer spam doesn't really care about transport capacity.
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TheChirurgeon posted:So does the transport capacity of the Storm Raven just not matter? Seems like a big value over the Fire Raptor Now that you have to disembark prior to vehicle movement and the reliability of deep striking it makes it a largely useless ability.
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Uroboros posted:Now that you have to disembark prior to vehicle movement and the reliability of deep striking it makes it a largely useless ability. are you kidding? the effective 9-inch infantry move from a vehicle disembark is maybe the best way available to get flamers into effective range before a charge
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zeal posted:are you kidding? the effective 9-inch infantry move from a vehicle disembark is maybe the best way available to get flamers into effective range before a charge Most flamers are garbage. And if you are running stormravens you don't need to deliver flamers.
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It does sound funny to run a heavy flamer devastator squad in a Stormraven but I doubt it would be particularly cost effective. I've had a small amount of success dropping stuff off on objectives from a Stormraven and one time was able to transport a Furioso into combat. For the most part it's all about the guns on that thing though.
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mango sentinel posted:Are all the surviving Chaos Primarchs Daemon Princes? Is Abaddon the only high ranking Chaos mortal in 40k? unless omegon survived the heresy, probably on the first part. on the second part erebus, kharn, ahriman, fabius and a fair few other important heretic characters are still kicking around as mortals. plus the additions to their rogues gallery since then, like huron blackheart. this is true of the legions that never fully withdrew into the Eye though, like the night lords and alpha legion. without the time fuckery of life inside a warp rift, their heresy-era characters have all been gotten by time or enemy attrition
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TheChirurgeon posted:So does the transport capacity of the Storm Raven just not matter? Seems like a big value over the Fire Raptor 20-30ish points gets you a more durable Storm Eagle instead with a sort of equivalent gun loadout. Also except for Scouts I'm running a purely Primaris force, and I guess the doors aren't big enough for them to fit? I was potentially planning as plopping a Lascannon in with my Intercessors and running them as Tacticals, and running my Redemptors as Contemptors, which would make the various transports vaguely useful, but I want to try Pure Primaris out with the price cuts they got.
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Naramyth posted:Most flamers are garbage. there's nothing garbo about a flamer+heavy flamer blood angels tactical squad charging from 8" or less after a 9" disembark and move from a rhino, raven, land raider etc.
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zeal posted:unless omegon survived the heresy, probably on the first part. on the second part erebus, kharn, ahriman, fabius and a fair few other important heretic characters are still kicking around as mortals. plus the additions to their rogues gallery since then, like huron blackheart. this is true of the legions that never fully withdrew into the Eye though, like the night lords and alpha legion. without the time fuckery of life inside a warp rift, their heresy-era characters have all been gotten by time or enemy attrition
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zeal posted:there's nothing garbo about a flamer+heavy flamer blood angels tactical squad charging from 8" or less after a 9" disembark and move from a rhino, raven, land raider etc. Seriously, why bother doing this when it can just be 4 heavy flamers instead?
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