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Some shows like Happy Endings suffered from having too many rapid fire jokes. They blaze past you unless you have captions on or if you're the type that rewatches episodes over and over. One thing that laughter helps with is pacing the jokes. Seinfeld and Newsradio used them well.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't mind laugh tracks too much when it is (or sounds like) an actual audience reacting to stuff; really obvious canned laughter is what I don't like, like in Hanna Barbera cartoons or old sitcoms or Disney kids comedies. I have it on good authority those cartoons were animated in front of a live studio audience.
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Mu Zeta posted:Some shows like Happy Endings suffered from having too many rapid fire jokes. They blaze past you unless you have captions on or if you're the type that rewatches episodes over and over. One thing that laughter helps with is pacing the jokes. Seinfeld and Newsradio used them well. The original Police Squad! was shitcanned because it required viewers to concentrate too much on the episode, and was somehow considered too "intellectually demanding" for the american audiences.
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Dec 8, 2017 13:48
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Slime posted:I have it on good authority those cartoons were animated in front of a live studio audience. When I was a very young child, I really and truly believed that everything I saw on TV was being performed live, even movies I watched dozens of times (I imagined the actors being like "okay, it's four o'clock, time to perform Star Wars again" or whatever). I have no recollection of how I thought cartoons "worked," but I know I thought the laugh tracks in those old cartoons were because the cartoon was being shown to a room full of people who were watching it at the same time that I was.
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Dec 8, 2017 13:53
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't mind laugh tracks too much when it is (or sounds like) an actual audience reacting to stuff; really obvious canned laughter is what I don't like, like in Hanna Barbera cartoons or old sitcoms or Disney kids comedies. I think the reason the old HB cartoons were laugh tracked is because they were the first 30 minute animated shows on TV, and were essentially sitcoms. So the practice is antiquated now, but back then it was probably to keep people understanding what they were watching.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:26
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Pastry of the Year posted:When I was a very young child, I really and truly believed that everything I saw on TV was being performed live, even movies I watched dozens of times (I imagined the actors being like "okay, it's four o'clock, time to perform Star Wars again" or whatever). I have no recollection of how I thought cartoons "worked," but I know I thought the laugh tracks in those old cartoons were because the cartoon was being shown to a room full of people who were watching it at the same time that I was. I was born in the late 80s, so I was familiar with video recording and whatnot from a young age, but I still assumed literally every show was performed live in front of an audience, in one take, and filmed earlier that week. Heck, it was a revelation to me that movie scenes could be filmed out of order. So my assumption was that cartoons were animated earlier in that same week, like on a Friday night for a Sunday Simpsons broadcast or something.
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Dec 8, 2017 16:08
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That's weird. Obviously the cartoon characters are actors.
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Dec 8, 2017 16:17
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Everyone knows that the first couple seasons of the Simpsons were performed live on Thursday nights 
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Dec 8, 2017 16:18
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If we're talking about laugh tracks not aging well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YguljAFU3Bc
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Dec 8, 2017 16:19
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Pastry of the Year posted:When I was a very young child, I really and truly believed that everything I saw on TV was being performed live, even movies I watched dozens of times (I imagined the actors being like "okay, it's four o'clock, time to perform Star Wars again" or whatever). I have no recollection of how I thought cartoons "worked," but I know I thought the laugh tracks in those old cartoons were because the cartoon was being shown to a room full of people who were watching it at the same time that I was. What I believed when I was a stupid kid was that all the backgrounds in Scooby Doo cartoons (but only Scooby Doo cartoons and other HB cartoons that looked a lot like it) were physical backdrops with people sitting behind them that somehow operated the characters like puppets. I later upgraded to the marginally less stupid belief (when I learned what computers were) that cartoons were made by someone drawing the characters then using a computer to make them move around.
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Iron Crowned posted:Everyone knows that the first couple seasons of the Simpsons were performed live on Thursday nights It was actually a terrible strain on the animator's wrists.
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Dec 8, 2017 17:37
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I loved Fresh Prince of Belair's live audience. They genuinely seemed to laugh and were shook and silent whenever there was a serious scene. It helped that most of the cast were charming and all around good actors. It's weird but this goddamn sitcom obviously prepped Will Smith for his later serious roles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4Mv8R0mE0 Like at 3.56 you can hear a woman audibly gasp and cry. drat I love Fresh Prince.
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Dec 8, 2017 18:25
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Volcott posted:Can you think of a show that's actively enriched by canned laughter? I sure can't. The Wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDIi0dzmvpE
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Dec 8, 2017 18:40
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Sarcopenia posted:I loved Fresh Prince of Belair's live audience. They genuinely seemed to laugh and were shook and silent whenever there was a serious scene. It helped that most of the cast were charming and all around good actors. It's weird but this goddamn sitcom obviously prepped Will Smith for his later serious roles. I like that you can tell Will was really breaking up during that scene because he accidentally skips over a syllable and has to redo. Like "I don... I don't need him..." kind of thing but I've forgotten the actual line
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Dec 8, 2017 18:54
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Aren't most sitcoms a mixture of an actual live audience and canned laughter to cover up holes anyway?  Also, no show has a worse laught rack than SCTV. Dave Thomas I think said that the guy whose job it was to add laughs didn't get the show's humor and just added laughs into any empty space he could find, and it really is that distractingly bad a lot of the time. londonarbuckle has a new favorite as of 19:21 on Dec 8, 2017 |
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Dec 8, 2017 19:14
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Solice Kirsk posted:I still can't believe half of the things Audie Murphy did and lived through. I think he actually wanted to die heroically in battle and just kept on living despite his best efforts. his autobiography states that before the war he was known as a loner with a nasty temper, and after the war he had severe depression and addiction problems so it could very well be the case that he'd had bipolar disorder or depression issues his entire life so you may be more on the nose than you think
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Speaking of MASH and laugh tracks, I remember have it pointed it out to me once that the show never used laugh tracks in the operating room.
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Dec 8, 2017 19:33
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BiggerBoat posted:"woooooooooooo!!!!!" My favorite was that one dude that would shout "Yeah Al!"
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Tumble posted:his autobiography states that before the war he was known as a loner with a nasty temper, and after the war he had severe depression and addiction problems so it could very well be the case that he'd had bipolar disorder or depression issues his entire life Yeah, I wasn't really saying that as 100% a joke. When we discussed him in our History of WW1 and 2 class there was a lot of debate about just what was wrong with him mentally. We focused a bit on how he was after the war, but there was a very vocal few saying that if the war hadn't come around he might have become a spree killer or something. I don't agree with that, but I do think that he may be one of very very few soldiers were a war was a good outlet for them.
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Tumble posted:his autobiography states that before the war he was known as a loner with a nasty temper, and after the war he had severe depression and addiction problems so it could very well be the case that he'd had bipolar disorder or depression issues his entire life All America needs to do is enlist the mentally ill to fight our wars and hope none of them make it back because holy poo poo that would make for some nasty PTSDs.
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Dec 8, 2017 19:45
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Sarcopenia posted:I loved Fresh Prince of Belair's live audience. They genuinely seemed to laugh and were shook and silent whenever there was a serious scene. It helped that most of the cast were charming and all around good actors. It's weird but this goddamn sitcom obviously prepped Will Smith for his later serious roles. If Will Smith hadn’t become so drat famous I swear they would have done a Netflix revival by now. But Will is now Uncle Will. And his crazy millennial nephew has shown up... I genuinely liked Fresh Prince. Despite the absolutely insane 90s fashions, it has aged pretty well. It’s got a lot of heart and people really responded to that. Married with Children had the longest pauses for audience reactions out of any show. I wonder what it’d be like without the laugh track. Al walks through his front door, kinda stands with his mouth slightly open for about 30 seconds, waiting to say something.
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BiggerBoat posted:People were talking about MASH for a while and I think it sucks and has aged terribly. Never liked that show and can't stand Alan Alda. Never got it and the laugh track makes it worse. In the wake of Franken resigning and everything we're realizing, look at things like Henry Blake copping a tongue kiss from Major Houlihan before boarding his chopper, Klinger's cross dressing and all the surgeons constantly being shitfaced and tell me that poo poo holds up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k
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Shame Will Smith waited too long to do a new Parents Just Don't Understand from the other perspective.
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I'm convinced Saved by the Bell's laugh track was just the cast not doing anything to hide it. You could always clearly hear Jessie and Lisa go "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" and "AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!" whenever somebody kissed or something sad happened or some poo poo.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What I believed when I was a stupid kid was that all the backgrounds in Scooby Doo cartoons (but only Scooby Doo cartoons and other HB cartoons that looked a lot like it) were physical backdrops with people sitting behind them that somehow operated the characters like puppets.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Mash is like the complete opposite of TV series that didn't age well I have never watched this show and I skipped this video because it's a show I never saw, and then 5 quotes later I watched it and gently caress me. I'm never watching that show.
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Dec 9, 2017 02:23
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There used to be a thing in cartoons for forever where the background would be a totally different shade than the characters and whatever opened them and I always was slightly annoyed with it. Like oh, the door is the same shade as the character, it's going to be opened. I would just wait for the object to be interacted with and it was distracting
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Aesop Poprock posted:There used to be a thing in cartoons for forever where the background would be a totally different shade than the characters and whatever opened them and I always was slightly annoyed with it. Like oh, the door is the same shade as the character, it's going to be opened. I would just wait for the object to be interacted with and it was distracting Yes EXACTLY the one drawer in the dresser that was obviously painted with cel paint as opposed to being part of the more muted kinda watercolory background
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Aesop Poprock posted:There used to be a thing in cartoons for forever where the background would be a totally different shade than the characters and whatever opened them and I always was slightly annoyed with it. Like oh, the door is the same shade as the character, it's going to be opened. I would just wait for the object to be interacted with and it was distracting I thought I was a genius when figuring this out as a kid 
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SEX BURRITO posted:If Will Smith hadn’t become so drat famous I swear they would have done a Netflix revival by now. But Will is now Uncle Will. And his crazy millennial nephew has shown up...
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Pastry of the Year posted:Yes EXACTLY the one drawer in the dresser that was obviously painted with cel paint as opposed to being part of the more muted kinda watercolory background The one patch of hay in the haystack...
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How do you get a baby to be quiet without smothering it, presumably because there are Charlies in the trees? Asking for a friend.
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Mister Kingdom posted:It's fun to watch the main characters pausing while waiting for the cheers to subside when they enter a scene. The best part is how the show was at its best when it was mocking the gently caress out of Al for rightfully being a loser, only to switch around Season Six because the audience somehow identified with him and his trials. I think that's when the creators finally just realized they were getting paid either way and just walked and let the audiences enjoy whatever hell they had created for themselves. At least one of them went on to create the same show for the WB and made it darker, which at least made some twisted sort of sense and explains why that show hasn't been seen for nearly twenty years. Edit: also, removing the laugh track from Big Bang Theory (which they couldn't completely do without cutting into lines) really just shows that nobody is really a character, they're all a setup for lovely jokes. How long is one of their scripts, really? About 13-15 pages?
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londonarbuckle posted:Aren't most sitcoms a mixture of an actual live audience and canned laughter to cover up holes anyway?
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I saw that MASH episode when I was like 12 and I didn't react to it even half as bad then as some of you are now. I'd hate to think of what would happen if you watched something like Dear Zachary.
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Dec 9, 2017 05:06
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Solice Kirsk posted:I saw that MASH episode when I was like 12 and I didn't react to it even half as bad then as some of you are now. I'd hate to think of what would happen if you watched something like Dear Zachary. The story of that is horrifying but the way they portrayed it really made me angry. The cheesy ramp up at the end with the red filters and rising score to underscore the horror was just in poor taste in my opinion. The actual reality was awful enough I don't need to feel like I'm suddenly watching a b-grade slasher movie
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Volcott posted:How do you get a baby to be quiet without smothering it, presumably because there are Charlies in the trees? sedative maybe?
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Aesop Poprock posted:The story of that is horrifying but the way they portrayed it really made me angry. The cheesy ramp up at the end with the red filters and rising score to underscore the horror was just in poor taste in my opinion. The actual reality was awful enough I don't need to feel like I'm suddenly watching a b-grade slasher movie Agreed, but even with it's flaws it's still more of a gut-punch than Alda ruining that MASH scene. Even when I was a kid I thought it would have been better to have him just silently staring ahead and maybe gently breakdown instead of melodramatically wailing like a first year drama student.
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Last Chance posted:sedative maybe? SEDAGIVE??
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Samuringa posted:I thought I was a genius when figuring this out as a kid It infuriated me because every time I tried explaining this to my brother he couldn't get it. I'm not sure if that makes me or him the
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