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If the Panamera is the dream car, you need better dreams.
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Dec 8, 2017 02:48
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When i see a truckload of cinder blocks dumped into a carbon fiber truck bed then I'll be a believer
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Dec 8, 2017 02:53
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hifi posted:When i see a truckload of cinder blocks dumped into a carbon fiber truck bed then I'll be a believer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayOhO3D_90Y
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Dec 8, 2017 02:57
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Guinness posted:If the Panamera is the dream car, you need better dreams. Imagine some kid clawing his way up the corporate ladder to finally make Senior Director of Operations, just so he could finally realize his dream of owning a Panamera.
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Dec 8, 2017 03:21
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Guinness posted:If the Panamera is the dream car, you need better dreams. The Cayenne is The Best Porsche.
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Dec 8, 2017 03:26
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every kid in Texas dreams of clawing their way up to middle management and overpaying for an F-150 King Ranch
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Dec 8, 2017 05:21
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You can buy a Panamera in a 680hp station wagon version that does 0-60 in a tick over 3 seconds and you can get it in brown.
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Dec 8, 2017 09:20
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No manual though 
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Dec 8, 2017 10:13
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mobby_6kl posted:No manual though No tape deck either, grampa.
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Dec 8, 2017 10:47
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Holy gently caress did they actually round off the wheel wells? So we won't get any more of those BS adverts of them dumping poo poo tons of rocks into the back of an F150 and going "Oh look at all the holes!"
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Dec 8, 2017 15:29
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BigPaddy posted:So we won't get any more of those BS adverts of them dumping poo poo tons of rocks into the back of an F150 and going "Oh look at all the holes!" When was the last time you saw one of their "man step" or "heated steering wheels are for pussies" commercials since their truck gained those features?
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Dec 8, 2017 15:40
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Powershift posted:When was the last time you saw one of their "man step" or "heated steering wheels are for pussies" commercials since their truck gained those features? I don't recall them calling out the heated steering wheels, but I do remember the "man step" commercials. Howie Long: "Can you believe that other company making it easier to access the storage area (i.e. major purpose) of your truck? Pfft." Everybody watching:  Good call, GM.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:48
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I think the stinger is a realistic goal car for anyone who wants something new or lightly used and doesn’t have a top tier executive salary. A lot of people probably could afford a BMW or Audi equivalent right up until they have to own and maintain it. The stinger comes almost dangerous close to what these cars can do for you with a better warranty, cheaper maintenance and lower insurance rates. When the ECU tune comes out you’ll probably get enough performance out of the TT V6 to embarrass a lot of far more expensive vehicles for far less money. Ultimately I think these cars will be on the road long after the German ones go to the junkyard. In my opinion you sacrifice some of the luxury fit and finish with the Stinger and performance characteristics that 90% of drivers would never reach anyway. For these sacrifices you save close to 20k in initial costs and a ton more in operating costs. Plus you get parts commonality with other cars in the family which further makes the ownership experience much easier. If you light cigars with stacks of Benjamins then it doesn’t matter what car you get. The people who buy (read:lease) BMWs have budgeted the 20-30k per 3 years they’ll spend plus insurance and maintenance and for them that’s all they need since their alternative prior to the leasing bonanza was to trade in Malibu’s every 3 years. For someone like me- depending on my income I’d either buy off lease with confidence or buy new and drive it for years to come.
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Dec 8, 2017 15:50
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:I don't recall them calling out the heated steering wheels, but I do remember the "man step" commercials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cagPZOAtZp4
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Dec 8, 2017 17:17
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Kraftwerk posted:I think the stinger is a realistic goal car for anyone who wants something new or lightly used and doesn’t have a top tier executive salary. That warranty and ECU tune dont play together though.
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Dec 8, 2017 17:21
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That’s no problem. You just reverse the tune when you go in for service. Unless the ECU has logs to show you changed something. Even without the tunes your car is putting up some respectable times. It’s really compelling for people who can just afford to buy the car but can’t afford upkeep on a comparable German car.
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Dec 8, 2017 17:27
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I revert the ecu tune on my Abarth to stock whenever I take it in for service. It's a non-issue these days.
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Dec 8, 2017 17:36
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Drove the 2.0T AWD stinger today. I can confirm that even with the less powerful engine and awd that it will get sideways under power with TCS off and the car in sport. 
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Dec 8, 2017 19:23
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Kraftwerk posted:That’s no problem. You just reverse the tune when you go in for service. Unless the ECU has logs to show you changed something. A lot of vehicles have flash counters and/or flags that trip if the ECU has been modified. It’s not as easy as just factory resetting it.
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Dec 8, 2017 19:38
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You just get a spare ecu vin matched. In kia/hyundai theyre really easy to swap back and forth. Im curious how the 2.0t is. They were highly modable in thecoupe and the zf8 should be fairly robust.
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Dec 8, 2017 20:42
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Dec 8, 2017 20:57
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Christobevii3 posted:You just get a spare ecu vin matched. In kia/hyundai theyre really easy to swap back and forth. The Stinger’s 8-speed is an in-house design, not the ZF 8HP. Motor Trend and Alex Dykes are the only two US reviewers I’ve seen with reviews of the 2.0T Stinger, and both were quite positive about it. The equipment list on the base Stinger is competitive with the loaded mainstream midsizers, and the faux luxury cars. Kia is being aggressive on the leases for the base Stingers, which is encouraging for moving units. The enthusiast comparison I’m personally interested in is the Accord Sport 2.0T vs. a base Stinger. Every review I’ve seen of the new Accord has been glowing, and the 2.0T Accord is faster in a straight line and lighter than the Stinger.
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Dec 8, 2017 21:45
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Huh thought it was a zf. If they didnt change anything in it from the v8 g80 then should be stout enough still. The accord sport is neat but it seems like they could do more for the pricing.
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Dec 9, 2017 02:30
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kill me now posted:I got to drive a US production spec Stinger GT2 AWD today as part of Kia's dealer training program. Yeah the benchmark cars they brought to the media drive were a base-spec V6 Panamera, Audi A5 sportback, Audi A7, 440i, and a Lexus of some description.
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Dec 9, 2017 09:31
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Jesus
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Dec 9, 2017 12:58
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It's so bizarre. "What, you want to be comfortable? Fag! Chevy: the lovely, uncomfortable truck for manly men."
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Dec 9, 2017 14:48
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How did Howie know what a manicured hand looks like? Checkmate closeted Howie.
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Dec 9, 2017 15:41
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PT6A posted:It's so bizarre. Yeah and then they jump right into talking about fuel economy??? gaaaay
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Dec 9, 2017 16:34
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Kraftwerk posted:If you light cigars with stacks of Benjamins then it doesn’t matter what car you get. The people who buy (read:lease) BMWs have budgeted the 20-30k per 3 years they’ll spend plus insurance and maintenance and for them that’s all they need since their alternative prior to the leasing bonanza was to trade in Malibu’s every 3 years. Or just get a used Lexus and have a better car all around. I'm not sold on the Stinger yet, it needs a few years to prove itself.
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Dec 9, 2017 16:58
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Or just get a used Lexus and have a better car all around. I'm not sold on the Stinger yet, it needs a few years to prove itself. Driving it might help you buy in.
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Dec 9, 2017 17:29
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Godzilla07 posted:The Stinger’s 8-speed is an in-house design, not the ZF 8HP. Motor Trend and Alex Dykes are the only two US reviewers I’ve seen with reviews of the 2.0T Stinger, and both were quite positive about it. The equipment list on the base Stinger is competitive with the loaded mainstream midsizers, and the faux luxury cars. Kia is being aggressive on the leases for the base Stingers, which is encouraging for moving units. The interior of the Accord is horrid, and while I’ve only driven one for 20 min I just don’t see how it could compare dynamically to the RWD Kia. But then the Accord left me feeling really flat, I do not understand the plaudits that car has been getting. If the requirement is a rwd sporty four door, have I mentioned how good the base Giulia is? Make sure to get one with the optional lsd.
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Dec 9, 2017 20:04
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drgitlin posted:If the requirement is a rwd sporty four door, have I mentioned how good the base Giulia is? Make sure to get one with the optional lsd. If they made one that split the difference between the quadrifoglio and the base, with say 350 HP in a V6, I’d be driving it right now. The chassis is really good and the steering makes the whole care feel very alive. If I had 80k to spend on a car I’d be in the QV and if I only had about 45k I’d be in the base model with LSD. But at 60 grand the M2 was the most attractive option.
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Dec 9, 2017 21:45
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On one hand, the Giulia is by far the most desirable car in its segment. On the other hand, I know that Lexus and BMW will still exist in five years.
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Dec 10, 2017 00:03
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Wheeee posted:On one hand, the Giulia is by far the most desirable car in its segment. Well I wouldn’t BUY one. I’d lease one though.
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Dec 10, 2017 00:48
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Kraftwerk posted:
What has given you any indication about longevity of Korean cars? Anything more then say 5 years old from Mia/Hyundai has been an absolute shitcan of a vehicle.
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Dec 10, 2017 00:54
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I gotta wonder how many people watched this and went, 'whoa! heated steering wheel!" and then went and bought the Ram.
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Dec 10, 2017 01:38
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Wheeee posted:On one hand, the Giulia is by far the most desirable car in its segment. Oh, right.
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Dec 10, 2017 02:49
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D C posted:What has given you any indication about longevity of Korean cars? Anything more then say 5 years old from Mia/Hyundai has been an absolute shitcan of a vehicle. Lol yeah. All of the early 2000s Elantras have vanished.
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Dec 10, 2017 07:07
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D C posted:What has given you any indication about longevity of Korean cars? Anything more then say 5 years old from Mia/Hyundai has been an absolute shitcan of a vehicle. Maybe if we're talking 10 years old since it was a shitcan when it was new, but I've seen other peoples' 2012 Hyundais and they are just sort of boring but still functioning.
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Dec 10, 2017 15:31
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Yeah, I had a 2009 Sonata that I traded in last year and it was... fine. Nothing wrong with it, fairly comfortable.
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