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LingcodKilla posted:This is interesting to me. The term "piccaninny" was a Deep South term for a child who wasn't picking any cotton yet. Roughly 3 and younger. This is folk etymology, it’s from Portuguese “pequenino” and its use in English to mean the same thing (“very little”) predates its application to people. Once it means “black kid” though, you’re probably not going to get to use the word to mean anything else.
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LingcodKilla posted:This is interesting to me. The term "piccaninny" was a Deep South term for a child who wasn't picking any cotton yet. Roughly 3 and younger. It was a term for small black children throughout the British Empire, too. Not like the Deep South has a historical monopoly on either racism or oppressing black people, you know.
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Arglebargle III posted:Hey give me some counter examples for "gold has always had trade value for 10,000 years" People on the Titanic.
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Arglebargle III posted:Hey give me some counter examples for "gold has always had trade value for 10,000 years" So has salt
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FAUXTON posted:So has salt And grain, come to think of it.
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Sex isn't very portable.
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Arglebargle III posted:Sex isn't very portable. You're having the wrong kind of sex.
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You can't get Democritus's sex in Athens and carry it to Thebes and give it to Helena.
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Arglebargle III posted:You can't get Democritus's sex in Athens and carry it to Thebes and give it to Helena. I can give her his crabs, though.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I can give her his crabs, though. Are you sure about that? The preserved Theban inscriptions talk about receiving "some sort of small pastry"
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Arglebargle III posted:You can't get Democritus's sex in Athens and carry it to Thebes and give it to Helena. Lack of creativity itt
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I posted this in the book barn history thread, but this is way more active, so I'm gonna repost here as well: I started off with a plan to read about the Ancient Levant, but just kept working my way backwards in history, until I just decided I would read about about the earliest humans --> hunter gatherers --> first civilizations --> Ancient Levant (Akkad, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, etc...) --> Other major civilizations in that time period in different parts of the world. So far I've read Hunting Apes-- Meat and The Origin of Human Behavior about the development of social behavior, and The Mind and the Cave, which was about cave art & the development of human consciousness. I've moved on to a book about the lifeways of Hunter's Gatherers. I'd like to start collecting books for down the line. So far the only other one I have on my list is 1177 BC The Year Civilization Collapsed by Eric Cline. Any suggestions?
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SlothfulCobra posted:Of course, the weird thing about units of account is that people often do their accounting in those terms even when they physically don't have them, they just evaluate their ownings and transactions in those terms. Brazilian quarterly reports of agribusinesses often denominate land value in sacks of soybeans per hectare, even when the land is used for raising cattle or growing corn or whatever.
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Arglebargle III posted:Sex isn't very portable. But I will have you know my sex is incredibly potable.
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Megasabin posted:I posted this in the book barn history thread, but this is way more active, so I'm gonna repost here as well: What sort of books are you interested in? Surveys of history? Archaeology? Stuff written by actual ancient people? Far-out speculation about the origins of human phenomena? Crackpots who think Atlantis was a real place and in Bolivia?
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GoutPatrol posted:But I will have you know my sex is incredibly potable. I think you mean potent. Unless I'm not being imaginative enough.
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Thwomp posted:Not just Europe as China saw most of the silver come its way which devastated their economy via rapid inflation as well. It’s cited as a contributing factor in the collapse of the Ming Dynasty. This example is somewhat relevant to the discussion of gold as a currency, too. China largely operated on a silver standard and regarded gold as more of a commodity than a currency, so European traders quickly discovered that their money went a lot further if they converted it to silver before heading to China. There wasn't much demand in China for any trade goods the Europeans could bring, so the extra purchasing power that silver brought them was crucial to being able to afford Chinese luxuries--including gold, which they would happily buy for silver in China to sell for much more silver in Europe. So, sure, gold had trade value throughout Eurasia but it was not exactly a universal standard.
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Straight White Shark posted:This example is somewhat relevant to the discussion of gold as a currency, too. China largely operated on a silver standard and regarded gold as more of a commodity than a currency, so European traders quickly discovered that their money went a lot further if they converted it to silver before heading to China. There wasn't much demand in China for any trade goods the Europeans could bring, so the extra purchasing power that silver brought them was crucial to being able to afford Chinese luxuries--including gold, which they would happily buy for silver in China to sell for much more silver in Europe. And then when they finally got sick of handing over all that silver to the Chinese they came up with a very clever idea indeed
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fantastic in plastic posted:What sort of books are you interested in? Surveys of history? Archaeology? Stuff written by actual ancient people? Far-out speculation about the origins of human phenomena? Crackpots who think Atlantis was a real place and in Bolivia? Survey of history mainly. What the was the history of a people, the stories of how they came to be, important events, what their life was like, etc... Since I'm staring at the beginning I'd also be interested in surveys of history pertaining to important human technologies too. Agriculture, farming, creation of armies and military as a concept, etc... I guess I'm also interested in origins of human phenomena since that is what the mind in the cave is about, and I enjoyed it quite a bit
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I am tasked with setting up a class motto (don't ask), and my pretentious rear end thought it would be better to have it in Latin than English. Would "Rise and Prevail" be best translated as "Surgo et Supero", or do I need to conjugate that?
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Chichevache posted:I am tasked with setting up a class motto (don't ask), and my pretentious rear end thought it would be better to have it in Latin than English. Would "Rise and Prevail" be best translated as "Surgo et Supero", or do I need to conjugate that? Make the class motto the thread title from a title or two back, and tell everyone it means "keep your friends close." See if anyone ever finds out.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Make the class motto the thread title from a title or two back, and tell everyone it means "keep your friends close." I don't remember which one that was (this thread has the best titles  ).
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Chichevache posted:I am tasked with setting up a class motto (don't ask), and my pretentious rear end thought it would be better to have it in Latin than English. Would "Rise and Prevail" be best translated as "Surgo et Supero", or do I need to conjugate that? It needs to be in the imperative mood at least, because right now it means "I rise and I prevail". So depending on wether you want it to be speaking to one person or several, it should be "Surge et Supera" or "Surgite et Superate". A more literal translation of prevail might be praevale/praevalete but you'd miss out on the alliteration of course.
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Grevling posted:It needs to be in the imperative mood at least, because right now it means "I rise and I prevail". So depending on wether you want it to be speaking to one person or several, it should be "Surge et Supera" or "Surgite et Superate". Thank you for your help. If it is speaking for multiple people then it would be "Surgite et Supetate"?
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Chichevache posted:Thank you for your help. If it is speaking for multiple people then it would be "Surgite et Supetate"? Glad to help. Yeah, surgite et superate is plural.
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Grevling posted:Glad to help. Yeah, surgite et superate is plural. Awesome. I am going to run it by the class and hopefully they all prefer it as well. Edit P.s. I'm not even sure how to pronounce it. 
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soor-gee-tay ay soo-perr-ah-tay I think. Or surge-ite et super-eight if your objective is to annoy latin speakers.
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OwlFancier posted:soor-gee-tay ay soo-perr-ah-tay I think. Both options are so. drat. tempting.
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OwlFancier posted:soor-gee-tay ay soo-perr-ah-tay I think. the t in et isn't silent in latin. It's pronounced just like it looks.
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Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
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cheetah7071 posted:the t in et isn't silent in latin. It's pronounced just like it looks. I was thinking that given that when in doubt add more harsh consonants, but then I thought "no I'm sure I've heard it silent" I might be confusing it with another language, or maybe church latin?
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I feel really stupid for not being able to find this, but does anyone have a link to Livy's story of Romulus and Remus in Latin? I'm only finding English translations and I want to gently caress with my students tomorrow.
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Grand Fromage posted:I feel really stupid for not being able to find this, but does anyone have a link to Livy's story of Romulus and Remus in Latin? I'm only finding English translations and I want to gently caress with my students tomorrow. I think this is all of Ab Urbe Condita in latin: http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/liv.html
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That's the first result I got Googling "Livy Latin"
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Ah, I was googling like Romulus and Remus Latin. Thanks.
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OwlFancier posted:I was thinking that given that when in doubt add more harsh consonants, but then I thought "no I'm sure I've heard it silent" French has it pronounced how you said
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Ynglaur posted:I think you mean potent. Unless I'm not being imaginative enough. 
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As a native francophone, it'd be super fun to just get a time machine and watch latin go from Cicero and Caesar to modern romance languages. Hell it also would be fun to see what people were speaking in Rome circa 600bc.
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