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some conservative lady tweeted this https://twitter.com/soph_warrener98/status/939217171116449792 owen jones mocked her a little bit with this tweet https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/939886011236192257 so she didn’t take it very well as broke brained conservatives who only like cold pocket memes do https://twitter.com/soph_warrener98/status/939967447515492352
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twitter tories are the worst as if they give a poo poo about anti-semitism anyway rededbacon.jpeg https://twitter.com/voteforrudd/status/939998516910460928
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fridge corn posted:My point is that violence and violent rhetoric isn't helpful for achieving your political aims in fact it may be detrimental Violence comes in a lot more forms than talking about punching Nazis and guillotining the rich, chum. Right wing media and the Tory government practice violence every day in increasing hateful rhetoric about minorities and trying to dismantle the NHS, so its pretty disingenuous to say that leftists are starting the talk about violence here
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Dec 11, 2017 16:16
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As much of a shower of poo poo the current generation of politicians are, imagine just how bad its going to be in 10/20 years time when they're all people talking about they struggled and survived the hardship of someone mocking their tweet by taking a selfie with a cat.
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oh you think jokes are funny? typical ignorant labour
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MikeCrotch posted:Violence comes in a lot more forms than talking about punching Nazis and guillotining the rich, chum. Right wing media and the Tory government practice violence every day in increasing hateful rhetoric about minorities and trying to dismantle the NHS, so its pretty disingenuous to say that leftists are starting the talk about violence here I never said leftists started it 🤔?
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Dec 11, 2017 16:23
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:some conservative lady tweeted this lmao they're always such thin skinned babies
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Dec 11, 2017 16:27
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and yeah it is not really ok to continue voting for a party that through its policies has killed one hundred thousand of the most disadvantaged in society you can be uninformed or willfully blind of that but it is not liking strawberry instead of chocolate
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Dec 11, 2017 16:30
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I've tried really hard but I just can't like Owen Jones. Comes off as really smug and sanctimonious imo
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https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/940181699304058880 the boyonomicon
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fridge corn posted:My point is that violence and violent rhetoric isn't helpful for achieving your political aims in fact it may be detrimental even electoral politics is just violence by proxy 120,000 people have been killed by deliberate government policy in the UK over the space of 7 years. just because they weren't herded into ditches and shot doesn't make them any less dead
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you sitting on your rear end in the evening when you’re tired and finished work instead of running off and volunteering at the care home is violence, every second of it
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:some conservative lady tweeted this people born in 1998 can vote now what the gently caress
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Dec 11, 2017 16:53
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:you sitting on your rear end in the evening when you’re tired and finished work instead of running off and volunteering at the care home is violence, every second of it your posting is violence
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My posting is violence, I am a Forums Soldier and I demand recognition from veterans organizations to that effect.
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TomViolence posted:even electoral politics is just violence by proxy Im not denying that but it's not particularly relevant to my point. I'm struggling to see exactly what your argument is..
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:you sitting on your rear end in the evening when you’re tired and finished work instead of running off and volunteering at the care home is violence, every second of it that's a particularly sick burn since i spent a good 18 months of my life holding down a full time job while helping care for an elderly relative who was making his last shuffling, befuddled steps off this mortal coil but even if i hadn't done so, the structural violence actually taking place in your hypothetical is the situation in which people are expected to volunteer as carers out of altruism instead of get paid for it like any other worker edit: fridge corn posted:Im not denying that but it's not particularly relevant to my point. I'm struggling to see exactly what your argument is.. You're going on about violent rhetoric and how it might not help us realise our political aims, I'm pointing to a way in which violent rhetoric (the conservative party's constant excoriation of the unemployed, sick, disabled and vulnerable in this country) has helped them achieve their aims (killing the sick and disabled) but also, more seriously, i'm saying that politics has always been about doling out violence, or at the very least, being able to present a credible threat to the (class) enemy's material interests TomViolence has issued a correction as of 17:03 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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one of the coauthors of the BMJ open study claiming that 120k people died unnecessarily as a result of spending cuts and that advocates increases in spending is the founder of a private care company the NHS contracts i’m totally pro giving more money to the NHS but that’s a pretty lol detail
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TomViolence posted:that's a particularly sick burn since i spent a good 18 months of my life holding down a full time job while helping care for an elderly relative who was making his last shuffling, befuddled steps off this mortal coil cool that doesn’t really make the claim that everything in politics is violence any less absurd though
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TomViolence posted:edit: I don't think the Conservative partys explicit goal is to kill people. Its obviously a byproduct of their ideology and individual members' awareness or complicity in this regard is debatable and anyway it certainly isn't the stated goal of most average conservative voters. But anyway you're saying the Conservative Partys violence is justification for your own? How are violent methods going to achieve your non violent (I assume) political goals?
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:some conservative lady tweeted this how *hyperventilation* dare you sir
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fridge corn posted:I don't think the Conservative partys explicit goal is to kill people. Its obviously a byproduct of their ideology and individual members' awareness or complicity in this regard is debatable You're wrong, and no, it simply is not debatable. People died in Grenfell because the owner decided to buy the cheaper, flammable decorative cladding so the tinderbox that housed the exploited working class looked nicer for the rich estate owners around it. Many landlords are proud Tories, and under strict regulation, this entire tragedy was absolutely preventable. This same Tory government did everything they could to cover up the true number of lives lost and did everything they could to further ripoff the survivors who lost their homes and all of their belongings. They absolutely deserve the hate they get.
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Taintrunner posted:You're wrong, and no, it simply is not debatable. So you're saying the borough of Kensington and Chelsea bought the cladding to beautify the building and not to deliberately kill people? That's exactly what I am saying, the loss of life is not deliberate. Of course those responsible for the loss of life need to be held to account. Perhaps complicity was the wrong choice of word, maybe I should have consulted my thesaurus. But this is getting way of track. You can hate the government all you want because at the end of the day you can vote them out. What isnt helpful is hating the people who voted them in
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bitmap posted:how *hyperventilation* dare you sir I think owen apologised for his CLEARLY NOT A JOKE cat tweet because he's the wimpiest fuckin dude ever.
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I have a friend who votes Tory and we're still friends but I'm not gonna say I shouldn't constantly try to erode his willfull ignorance which leads to him voting for killing and impoverishing disabled people It's super infuriating it's like "I don't pay attention to politics but I think *something insane*" "Well I do and it's not here's why" "I'm not prepared to argue but i still think it is"
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Also I've got no idea why anyone would defend the tories and their contemptuous callousness Mr corn
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hakimashou posted:There's all sorts of people in the world, what fun would it be if we were all the same? What policies do you think are in common? He doesn't actually seem to lay anything out all that often other than "Corbyn bad". And if you like provocative writing then more power to you, but this doesn't seem to be provocative in the sense of trying new things and thinking them through, instead it is "provocative" in the same way as saying a swearword, it may cause a shock the first time, but in the end it isn't really provoking things other than eye rolling past a certain point. But Corbyn has, by your own measure, not done this, in fact he has argued against things that would have prevented people from saying things. So why do you agree with Nick Cohen who has backed returning people "suspected of" terrorism no matter what happens to them: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/nov/05/comment.terrorism . Why is it only a mob when it is people poorer than you, and not when it comes from people richer, for instance? All he is saying is "we need to build a world that works for everyone, not the wealthiest". I fail to see how this is creating a mob.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:cool that doesn’t really make the claim that everything in politics is violence any less absurd though
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:cool that doesn’t really make the claim that everything in politics is violence any less absurd though So when Clauswitz wrote "war is the continuation of policy by other means" he was merely being sarcastic?
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nopantsjack posted:Also I've got no idea why anyone would defend the tories and their contemptuous callousness Mr corn Im not and haven't ever defended them?
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:"power doesnt flow from the barrel of a gun" -- you Josef bugman posted:So when Clauswitz wrote "war is the continuation of policy by other means" he was merely being sarcastic? i too live in 19th century prussia
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i too live in 19th century prussia the commies are coming 
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i mean in theory sure everything the state does is backed up by the implicit threat of violence much like you pissing on my shoes is backed up by the implicit acknowledgment that i will punch you in the gobber but in modern society we try to avoid escalating conflict all the way there this is all of course entirely separate from claiming that “all politics is violence”, an entirely unhealthy personal attitude that is guaranteed to break your brain, denigrate victims of actual violence because you call everything you don’t like violence and also maybe even get you arrested if you decide to take it to its logical conclusion
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Pound_Coin posted:Labour: Fairly un-remarkable soc-dem platform, concentrating on infostructure investment and fairer taxation and a strong welfare state, all policies proven to work and work very well given the Human Development Index, Happiness and quality of life rankings given to the nordic states. Also against austerity as an ideological lie that cannot work (you can't cut your way out of debt). the only result of the last decade of austerity has been a massive increase in personal debt. Its not the labour platform i'd have to hold my nose for. Anti-american screeds at the UN aren't part of the labour platform are they?
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i mean in theory sure everything the state does is backed up by the implicit threat of violence much like you pissing on my shoes is backed up by the implicit acknowledgment that i will punch you in the gobber but in modern society we try to avoid escalating conflict all the way there yeah i'd piss in your shoes when you weren't there i don't want you seeing my dick
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We should just get along and not worry about politics! *immediately tries to score partisan points when someone makes a joke in response*
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nopantsjack posted:Also I've got no idea why anyone would defend the tories and their contemptuous callousness Mr corn When they kill thousands yearly it's just an inevitable byproduct of their policy not the primary goal, so really it's bad to be angry at them. *shits self, eats the poo poo*
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