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Tyro posted:Yeah basically. I'm 6'2" and I can't drive one for more than 20 minutes or so without getting really uncomfortable. Unless you live somewhere that you can basically keep the roof off all the time. Lol I don't know why I ever even considered, I would be out the roof.
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The Sicilian posted:Anyone know about the original roadster? I am looking to buy myself a fun toy since the model 3 has been so delayed. I am over 6'8" in height, am I hosed for fitting? It's a Lotus Elise at heart, so find one of those and try it out. (hint: yes you're hosed)
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The Sicilian posted:Anyone know about the original roadster? I am looking to buy myself a fun toy since the model 3 has been so delayed. I am over 6'8" in height, am I hosed for fitting? Is it possible the 3 won't fit you well either? What's your current DD?
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Sagebrush posted:It's a Lotus Elise at heart, so find one of those and try it out. I'm 6'1" ~200 lbs and a few years ago at the local auto show someone had an Elise they were letting people attempt to get in. I got as far as stepping in standing fully out the open roof and had slid my rear end about half way down in to the seat before realizing that I'd probably need help to get out if I went any further. My dreams of ever owning an Exige or Mk1 Roadster evaporated in that moment.
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kimbo305 posted:Is it possible the 3 won't fit you well either? What's your current DD? Current DD is the Model S with seat slid back and lowered into floor as low as it goes.
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30k BMW i3s sold in the US have to be recalled due to a snafu in crash testing for short women under 110lbs not wearing a seatbelt. Does this mean sweet deals on i3s or will they not be allowed to be resold? https://blog.caranddriver.com/bmw-issues-stop-sale-order-and-recall-of-all-i3-evs-in-u-s/
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BlackMK4 posted:I'd imagine there will be a fix The recall is probably cutting into some sales metrics or whatever but I doubt you'll see much of a haircut on them, considering what an outlier the recall is for.
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BlackMK4 posted:I'd imagine there will be a fix I would hope so. Short women under 110lbs who don't wear their seatbelt is like 80% of the i3 customer base.
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I can fit in the Elise but I'm towards the top end of what works at about 5'10 and 170. The biggest problem is the sill width that makes it really awkward to try to sit in the seat and then wiggle your legs over the sill.
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FilthyImp posted:The rumor mill says it'll be a software update to change the timing of the airbag. Maybe they'll toss in a nag-screen about seatbelts until the driver clicks in as well. The most bizarre thing about this is that it’s a recall for someone failing to obey a very basic law, “commmon sense” be damned (because we in the US don’t have common sense). If I contacted a lawyer to sue Kia for not putting V-rates tires on a 2003 Kia Rio because I blew the tires out and wrecked the car doing 129 mph on a US highway, they’d tell me to gently caress off. Why does a car need to be recalled for someone breaking the law? Sometimes I can’t help but wonder if car companies in Asia and Europe sit down and do a cost/benefit analysis on car sales in the US and whether it’s worth putting up with the overly-litigious US populace. I hate big corporations as much as anyone else, but this is the kinda poo poo which ensures we only get boring-as-hell crossover garbage shipped to us now and forever.
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Ripoff posted:The most bizarre thing about this is that it’s a recall for someone failing to obey a very basic law I don't think it's the law in New Hampshire, from scanning the wiki page.
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Subjunctive posted:I don't think it's the law in New Hampshire, from scanning the wiki page. Holy hell, you’re right.  What the gently caress, NH?So I stand corrected, then. I guess we do have to make safety measures for the dumbest of our population, neato! Edit: No helmet laws for motorcyclists either, loving lol. “Live Free funeral home DJ fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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Ripoff posted:If I contacted a lawyer to sue Kia for not putting V-rates tires on a 2003 Kia Rio because I blew the tires out and wrecked the car doing 129 mph on a US highway, they’d tell me to gently caress off. Im not sure about that! Cars tend to ship with speed limits lower than the lowest-rated drivetrain and tires they want to include. To my knowledge, V6 mustangs have the limiter at 120 because the included tires and driveshaft aren’t supposed to go over 130. And there absolutely are personal injury lawyers who would take that case.
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Ripoff posted:The most bizarre thing about this is that it’s a recall for someone failing to obey a very basic law, “commmon sense” be damned (because we in the US don’t have common sense). If I contacted a lawyer to sue Kia for not putting V-rates tires on a 2003 Kia Rio because I blew the tires out and wrecked the car doing 129 mph on a US highway, they’d tell me to gently caress off. Why does a car need to be recalled for someone breaking the law? Every vehicle where I've bothered to check for many years has either had tires rated for higher speeds than the vehicle was capable of or an electronic limiter set below the rating. I'm assuming you're just using the Rio as "generic slow shitbox" to make a point but just for the record it looks like those have a limiter at 103 and ship with tires rated T (118). Based on my experience with an '07 Spectra I wouldn't be surprised if even the 103 limiter is mostly theoretical. e;f:b Cocoa Crispies posted:To my knowledge, V6 mustangs have the limiter at 120 because the included tires and driveshaft aren’t supposed to go over 130. I guess that's a nice minor benefit to add to the pile with EVs, aside from retrofit installations the kinds of long driveshafts that cause problems like this aren't really a thing. wolrah fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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I need to get a new vehicle next year and really eyeing something plugin. I have a long commute (~35 miles each way) so definitely need a gas engine. With my three kids that will occasionally need to ride in my car i am eyeing the fusion energi. Locally, I'm seeing 2017s in the highest trims over $10k off of MSRP with relatively low mileage. I imagine resale on these are such that getting the tax credit up front is baked into the future sale. I believe the 2018 model is the one that stepped up the range from 20 to 40+? We have chargers at my work (electric utility!) so with real world range and the cold I could likely just sip on the gas tank. Any overall opinions the goony EV experts can share on the fusion? Any alternatives I should investigate instead? I like the bells and whistles that come with the Ford so there's that but am not sold. Won't be buying for at least 6-9 months so can let those 2018s get through the system and depreciate. On a side note: if the tax credits expire for 2018, any guesses on what would happen to prices, new and used? I could make an economics argument either way but may as well speculate on bitcoin too.
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35 miles each way doesn't seem like too much of a commute for a pure electric, especially with free charging at work. If you're thinking Fusion Energi, also check out the Chevy Volt. There's a good chance you'll barely use the gas engine if you charge at work and at home.
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Powershift posted:35 miles each way doesn't seem like too much of a commute for a pure electric, especially with free charging at work. I also need to account for the 15 or so extra miles that get added on for shuttling kids to and from sports after work. But glad to hear. Not sure how well the range holds up in SE Michigan winters. Looked at the volt, thanks to the batteries there's like no leg room for the middle seat in the back. It's still on the list to actually see but it doesn't look like it'll work to get my three kids in the back reasonably. My father in law works at GM so that'd be the preferable choice from a cost perspective although I think the fusion has the nicer looks.
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Maybe I'm old fashioned but it seems like a poor life choice to top 100mph while filming your dash with a phone, and then keep your foot in it even after the noise starts.
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This is kinda in left field, but reading news about the Tesla big rig, are their any manufacturers working on service/delivery style cargo vans? My construction company is looking to get another van and honestly none of the diesel/gas ones on the market make me very happy. We currently are running some Mercedes Freightliners, and I'm looking at maybe a Ford Transit next, but all I hear anywhere is that everything has poo poo reliability since the engines are getting so complex to keep up with emission standards. Also charging the trucks at the shop every night, and never having to get gas again sounds like a dream come true.
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TraderStav posted:I also need to account for the 15 or so extra miles that get added on for shuttling kids to and from sports after work. But glad to hear. Not sure how well the range holds up in SE Michigan winters. The bolt has a 238 mile range. You're not gonna lose half of that in the winter. The leaf might be stretching it if you're only charging once per day. Kia is coming out with a plug-in Niro for 2018 that might be worth a look with 3 kids, too. SpaceCadetBob posted:This is kinda in left field, but reading news about the Tesla big rig, are their any manufacturers working on service/delivery style cargo vans? My construction company is looking to get another van and honestly none of the diesel/gas ones on the market make me very happy. We currently are running some Mercedes Freightliners, and I'm looking at maybe a Ford Transit next, but all I hear anywhere is that everything has poo poo reliability since the engines are getting so complex to keep up with emission standards. Ford is working on one, but it's not gonna have a steering wheel. Powershift fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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SpaceCadetBob posted:This is kinda in left field, but reading news about the Tesla big rig, are their any manufacturers working on service/delivery style cargo vans? My construction company is looking to get another van and honestly none of the diesel/gas ones on the market make me very happy. We currently are running some Mercedes Freightliners, and I'm looking at maybe a Ford Transit next, but all I hear anywhere is that everything has poo poo reliability since the engines are getting so complex to keep up with emission standards. Ford has a small one, not sure what it's called or if it is a seriou EV attempt. Renault has one called the Kangoo ZE, 33 kWh battery but fairly small capacity. Then there's the Nissan e-NV200, bigger than the Renault but smaller than a Transit. Should work fine for moving two people + tools, but you won't fit much building material in there I think. It has a 24 kWh battery, coming out with a 40 kWh in 2018.
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Powershift posted:Ford is working on one, but it's not gonna have a steering wheel. Hmm, not sure how well that would work pulling into jobsites that are all still just dirt and concrete foundations. I would probably like to be able to avoid that giant ditch full of electrical feeds that was just dug across the lot. ^Cool, well at least it sounds like the concept is starting to be developed. You would figure with all the UPS/FedEx trucks drivings around towns all day that there would be plenty of market opportunity. SpaceCadetBob fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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SpaceCadetBob posted:Hmm, not sure how well that would work pulling into jobsites that are all still just dirt and concrete foundations. I would probably like to be able to avoid that giant ditch full of electrical feeds that was just dug across the lot. Just press "Disliked this  " after each crash and after 20 or so times the machine learning algos will know to avoid them.
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TraderStav posted:I need to get a new vehicle next year and really eyeing something plugin. I have a long commute (~35 miles each way) so definitely need a gas engine. With my three kids that will occasionally need to ride in my car i am eyeing the fusion energi. Locally, I'm seeing 2017s in the highest trims over $10k off of MSRP with relatively low mileage. I imagine resale on these are such that getting the tax credit up front is baked into the future sale. Worth noting that the tax credit is a non-refundable credit. That is to say, if your overall tax bill to the feds (and the vehicle purchase qualifies for the full credit; I don’t think the Energi does) is $8000, you’ll only owe the fed $500. You’ll either get a big refund at the end of the year, or you can reduce your withholding for the year. (I went with the latter. gently caress loaning the IRS money.) If the car qualifies for the full credit, and your income is low enough that your overall tax burden is less than $7500, the extra portion of the credit vanishes. It cannot be carried forward into the next year, or transferred in any way. This is a big part of why leasing Volts/Bolts/Leaves can make a lot more sense in many situations than purchasing outright. The lienholder collects the tax credit instead of you, which means you get the discount up front as well. This is how you see dumb-cheap lease deals, particularly in states with additional state incentives. (IIRC, the break point for a single-filer with no dependents or other deductions is around $50-60,000 a year of net income. Under that, and you don’t owe the fed enough to take advantage of the entire credit.)
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Yeah thanks, that's the video I was thinking of while phone-posting.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Im not sure about that! Cars tend to ship with speed limits lower than the lowest-rated drivetrain and tires they want to include. To my knowledge, V6 mustangs have the limiter at 120 because the included tires and driveshaft aren’t supposed to go over 130. Yeah, setting speed limiters based on tire choice has been a thing for ages. Early fourth generation Camaros had a ~110 mph limiter if you didn't order Z-rated tires, and the Z28 could easily top that.
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TraderStav posted:I need to get a new vehicle next year and really eyeing something plugin. I have a long commute (~35 miles each way) so definitely need a gas engine. With my three kids that will occasionally need to ride in my car i am eyeing the fusion energi. Locally, I'm seeing 2017s in the highest trims over $10k off of MSRP with relatively low mileage. I imagine resale on these are such that getting the tax credit up front is baked into the future sale. There's also the Chrysler Pacifica hybrid minivan which can plug in and go for ~30 miles.
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MrYenko posted:Worth noting that the tax credit is a non-refundable credit. That is to say, if your overall tax bill to the feds (and the vehicle purchase qualifies for the full credit; I don’t think the Energi does) is $8000, you’ll only owe the fed $500. You’ll either get a big refund at the end of the year, or you can reduce your withholding for the year. (I went with the latter. gently caress loaning the IRS money.) Thanks for the info. I drive far too many miles to justify a lease and am looking to buy used unless a crazy deal new comes through. Throatwarbler posted:There's also the Chrysler Pacifica hybrid minivan which can plug in and go for ~30 miles. Interesting. Will need to look at that. Assume it's crazy expensive.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:This is kinda in left field, but reading news about the Tesla big rig, are their any manufacturers working on service/delivery style cargo vans? My construction company is looking to get another van and honestly none of the diesel/gas ones on the market make me very happy. We currently are running some Mercedes Freightliners, and I'm looking at maybe a Ford Transit next, but all I hear anywhere is that everything has poo poo reliability since the engines are getting so complex to keep up with emission standards. the mercedes evito which is apparently available for order now with deliveries sometime next year.
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MrYenko posted:Worth noting that the tax credit is a non-refundable credit. That is to say, if your overall tax bill to the feds (and the vehicle purchase qualifies for the full credit; I don’t think the Energi does) is $8000, you’ll only owe the fed $500. You’ll either get a big refund at the end of the year, or you can reduce your withholding for the year. (I went with the latter. gently caress loaning the IRS money.) Yep! I purchased my 2017 Volt on December 26th of 2016. Had my refund 2 months later. My withholding is a bit under $7500, so I got my entire withholding back thanks to the credit. I drive too many miles to lease, and I had a couple discounts that stacked and got me a few $k off. So buying made sense in this case.
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TraderStav posted:Thanks for the info. I drive far too many miles to justify a lease and am looking to buy used unless a crazy deal new comes through. The hybrid version is actually cheaper since it gets 7500 off. This guy goes over everything about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6c52ShiYGg
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Got the email about the Roadster.quote:The new Tesla Roadster is the first production car in the world to accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 2.1 seconds. And with top speed of over 400 km/h, it’s the first car to set every performance record and still have seating for four. 1000km range, too! Reservation is a simple matter of...yikes. quote:Founders Series Roadster reservations require an initial $6,000 credit card payment, plus a $316,000 wire transfer payment due in 10 days. Reservations are not final until the wire transfer payment is received. Subjunctive fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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The Powershift Thundercougarfalconbird is the first production car in the world to accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 0.69 seconds
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Powershift posted:The Powershift Thundercougarfalconbird is the first production car in the world to accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 0.69 seconds Could you tell me where to wire my deposit please?
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Powershift posted:The Powershift Thundercougarfalconbird is the first production car in the world to accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 0.69 seconds .69 seconds, top speed of 420km/h, 9001 quarter horsepower
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:9001 quarter horsepower Do you mean 2250hp or somewhere over 9001hp since a modern quarterhorse blah blah blah
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Subjunctive posted:Got the email about the Roadster. A wire transfer? That's hosed up right?
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