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I distribute my art entirely by stapling it to electrical poles around town and putting a rusty tin can underneath and hope that people get the message
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Pyroclastic posted:They claim the change is necessary to keep the lights on...except the change was supposed to help the creators, not Patreon. Did anyone believe that? Like, even for a second? If that had been true they would have abandoned the new fee structure once it became clear that the creator consensus was overwhelmingly negative. What I want to know is, where the gently caress did the $60 mil go?
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Alaois posted:I distribute my art entirely by stapling it to electrical poles around town and putting a rusty tin can underneath and hope that people get the message I tie mine page by page to flocks of sparrows and throw them free from my roof.
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Dec 10, 2017 13:36
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In Poppy, I feel like Petunia looking and acting more and more like an Asura's Wrath boss over the course of this scene bodes poorly for her.
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Dec 10, 2017 15:22
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Dec 10, 2017 15:37
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Zero_Tactility posted:In Poppy, I feel like Petunia looking and acting more and more like an Asura's Wrath boss over the course of this scene bodes poorly for her. This is an extremely accurate description on every level. Also I'm a tad disappointed her main deal seems to be giant magic TK arms, rather than just supreme martial arts mastery.
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Dec 10, 2017 15:39
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The more she puts into this fight, the less it becomes "I have to stop you because I can't stop the real problem" and more "I have to stop you because if you win then I could have stopped the real problem years ago".
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Tenebrais posted:The more she puts into this fight, the less it becomes "I have to stop you because I can't stop the real problem" and more "I have to stop you because if you win then I could have stopped the real problem years ago". Poppy already pointed out that they obviously have a chance of winning. If they didn't, Mob Bird wouldn't be going after them so hard. So yeah, this whole thing is Petunia being stupid and awful. I wonder if it ties into her mom somehow. Petunia's central damage seems to be that her mom left or at least failed to prioritize family and village sufficiently. Maybe she feels like she has to make these sacrifices or she'll be just like her mom.
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PMush Perfect posted:Question: Have you ever made or sold anything? Ever? Sure I have, I directed a short film  And HERE is an image from the thing I'm making now, Duck Comics Dot World!!! fun hater posted:this is a wee bit apocalyptic I don't really see how! FunkyAl fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Wittgen posted:Poppy already pointed out that they obviously have a chance of winning. If they didn't, Mob Bird wouldn't be going after them so hard. So yeah, this whole thing is Petunia being stupid and awful. Her mom was also an abusive paranoiac who turned her into a combat juggernaut as seen here. Edit: as shown by her 'children HAVE done this' line during Poppy's basically impossible training. Also, mom's an implied germophobe given the 'queasy' faces. Thirdly, I'm pretty sure Petunia defaulted to 'fight Poppy' because she likes fighting and had to get herself cursed to give it up. ...it is also worth noting that Petunia literally can't do anything (combat-wise) about Chicadino, because she can't do violence to anyone but possums. Joe Slowboat fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Joe Slowboat posted:...it is also worth noting that Petunia literally can't do anything (combat-wise) about Chicadino, because she can't do violence to anyone but possums. So the person who is in a somewhat privileged position but still low enough to be abused by the ones nearer the top has a self-inflicted condition that makes her literally incapable of fighting against those above her while being capable of using violent force only against members of an oppressed underclass.
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FunkyAl posted:Sure I have, I directed a short film This is Good
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Zerilan posted:So the person who is in a somewhat privileged position but still low enough to be abused by the ones nearer the top has a self-inflicted condition that makes her literally incapable of fighting against those above her while being capable of using violent force only against members of an oppressed underclass. Yeah that wasn't a defense of Petunia, just an explanation of why she's not actually useful to change the status quo. Also she didn't realize that she could beat up on possums before recently, which I can only imagine is good for possumkind.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Yeah that wasn't a defense of Petunia, just an explanation of why she's not actually useful to change the status quo. With how powerful she is, she could definitely be helpful without beating up people personally.
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I just meant that I suspect the narrative doesn't want us to just see her as an idiot, rather than someone in a weird position with some serious baggage who has become a tool of the antagonists through that. It's always a bit disappointing when a story suggests that what the main character did or set out to do is easy, simple, and really could have been done a long time ago. It devalues the story we actually got to read to hear 'and all of this was entirely unnecessary!' (Obviously social ills were never 'necessary' - I just mean narratively).
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Joe Slowboat posted:I just meant that I suspect the narrative doesn't want us to just see her as an idiot, rather than someone in a weird position with some serious baggage who has become a tool of the antagonists through that. It's not that it's "easy" or "hard" so much as that Poppy, the protagonist, has a completely different perspective on the treehouse animal society and wants completely different things out of it i.e. she has nothing invested in the status quo and risks losing nothing personally from burning the whole thing down over how its higher ranks treat possums. Any idiot with a knife can do surgery if you don't see a problem with killing the patient.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:It's not that it's "easy" or "hard" so much as that Poppy, the protagonist, has a completely different perspective on the treehouse animal society and wants completely different things out of it i.e. she has nothing invested in the status quo and risks losing nothing personally from burning the whole thing down over how its higher ranks treat possums. Any idiot with a knife can do surgery if you don't see a problem with killing the patient. Yeah, absolutely! I agree - and I think hers is basically a healthier perspective, as well, in the long run. I just think that Petunia has a little more going on than purely moral cowardice (that's a good part of it, to be clear, but I think 'intense desire to do violence' is also worth noting).
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I'm volunteering at a Red Cross shelter. Someone left Chick Tracts on the toiletries table because of course they did.
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RandomPauI posted:I'm volunteering at a Red Cross shelter. Someone left Chick Tracts on the toiletries table because of course they did. Glue Oglaf images on to random panels.
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Pyroclastic posted:They claim the change is necessary to keep the lights on...except the change was supposed to help the creators, not Patreon. Patreon's still supposedly just taking the usual 5%, and moving the payment processor fee from the Creator side to the Patron side (while substantially increasing the number of these fees for stupid reasons). Nominally, according to their stated intentions, Patreon doesn't see any extra income from this. That's certainly bullshit, but what the announcement said conflicts with what Jack told Jeph. It appears that by moving to separate transactions it's pay pal eating up all those extra fees not Patreon. From the fact they aren't backing down it seems they have to, according to post by cool person Dan: FoldableHuman posted:So Drip is working a little bit differently from both Patreon and Kickstarter in that you can't sub/donate an amount that isn't a defined tier. I've found a few creators who have $1 tiers, but it's up to the individual creator to offer that.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Leave zootopia fanfic They're already traumatized enough by the fires.
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RandomPauI posted:I'm volunteering at a Red Cross shelter. Someone left Chick Tracts on the toiletries table because of course they did. In Webcomics news: Shelley's not kidding. We have an actual Esther De Groot sighting in Bad Machinery/Scary Go Round! It's a Christmas miracle! And she's apparently...talking to a red robot? Man, Giant Days must be going in some weird directions. (Nice use of panel blocking to conceal who, if anyone, she showed up with, though). And I think that's Jack's sister's friend Lauren he's talking to. Oh, and Elliot's there, maybe talking to Holly. Shelby Winner's a bit of a surprise. Although that might be Mrs. Lord, considering Ken's right there.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Maybe they were leaving those for anyone caught short on the loo. She's probably talking to the ambassador of Robotamia. This is the time for weird cameos from all times, but yeah, pretty impressive to have Esther show up at Scary Go Round after all this time. Reactions from Erin and Eustace to her presence suddenly appear more urgent than Future-Scout's plan. I wonder if John Allison's original plan was to literally have Scout blow up the party and kill every single character from Scary Go Round to end the comic.
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ZearothK posted:I wonder if John Allison's original plan was to literally have Scout blow up the party and kill every single character from Scary Go Round to end the comic. Almost certainly. The final print collection of the original Scary Go Round includes rough draft notes and concept sketches for how he wanted to end SGR back in 2009 - which involved a Tackleford-leveling battle between giant robots that was to leave just 3 or 4 named characters alive in the end (I want to say they were Esther and the Mystery Girls? I don't have the book at hand to check at the moment.) It seems like JA's default setting when he's planning on winding a project down is "Burn it to the ground," only to mellow considerably when he sits down to actually commit the story to record. That final panel of Scout is sufficiently ominous, though. Missing from Shelley's party: my favorite Tackleford personality/crowd shot filler, TV's Mr. Gravy
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Stormgale posted:It appears that by moving to separate transactions it's pay pal eating up all those extra fees not Patreon. "they are lying about their motivations" is really the only sensible reading of what they are doing. Like he says, their support for small donations is the whole reason they exist - by bunching up transactions, they offered the ability to give more money to artists while charging less to Patrons and having less stuff be tangled up in processing fees. Now they've hosed it all up, and none of their reasoning, none of the repeated excuses they keep coming out with, make a lick of sense. Their new one "Oh, we had a problem with people signing up for patrons and then un-signing up" is probably the stupidest one yet. The real question is - why are they lying? If they really aren't going to be making any money off it, I suppose "being in violation of the law" might be a possible explanation? But I have no reason to believe anything they say at this point, so they might just be planning on making money off it. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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GlyphGryph posted:"they are lying about their motivations" is really the only sensible reading of what they are doing. Like he says, their support for small donations is the whole reason they exist - by bunching up transactions, they offered the ability to give more money to artists while charging less to Patrons and having less stuff be tangled up in processing fees. They don’t want small creators or donors on their site. Period. Their reasoning is basically the internet equivalent of “Mah property values!”  . They think that small creators and donors make the service look trashy and discourages larger clients from joining.
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Oneiros posted:They don’t want small creators or donors on their site. Period. Their reasoning is basically the internet equivalent of “Mah property values!” Anyone the fee increases don’t drive off expect some more bullshit designed to gently caress with with them. I’ve already seen multiple reports of minimum pledges being a/b tested. ed; quote is not edit 
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Oneiros posted:They don’t want small creators or donors on their site. Period. Their reasoning is basically the internet equivalent of “Mah property values!” based on what? Their whole business model is "kickstarter for dudes too small-time for Kickstarter" tbh I have no problem believing that the guys who took years to solve the problem of "guy subscribes, scrapes the account for all subscription content since the dawn of time, then unsubs without ever paying a dime" hosed this up in exactly the boneheaded nonsense way they describe
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:based on what? Their whole business model is "kickstarter for dudes too small-time for Kickstarter" Interview with a PM on the growth team at Patreon https://brianbalfour.com/essays/patreon-onboarding-growth quote:Raviv explains, "We'd rather have our GMV be made up of fewer, but truly life-changed creators rather than a lot of creators making a few dollars." quote:At Patreon, Creator growth is key not because it triggers more Patrons (it does that as well), but because it seeds more Creator growth quote:By the same token, a high-converting step could actually result in turning away the right Creators, because suddenly there would be lots of live Patreon pages with uninspiring revenue results (Creator earnings are publicly visible on each Patreon page).
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Isn't money money, why poopoo guys who have lots of small donations
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Calaveron posted:Isn't money money, why poopoo guys who have lots of small donations It's a branding thing. They're afraid that if people think Patreon is for poors that established artists aren't going to take it seriously. A single successful creator can bring in as much money as 100 obscure webcomics and youtube channels, so they're willing to tell small timers to gently caress off if they think it will help grow their roster of big timers by a few percent.
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Calaveron posted:Isn't money money, why poopoo guys who have lots of small donations Because they've taken in way too much capital relative to their revenue, which actually means that they've sold their company for more than it's worth to aggressive investors who are now handing down directives of "grow faster, now, or we'll find someone who can."
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Straight White Shark posted:It's a branding thing. They're afraid that if people think Patreon is for poors that established artists aren't going to take it seriously. A single successful creator can bring in as much money as 100 obscure webcomics and youtube channels, so they're willing to tell small timers to gently caress off if they think it will help grow their roster of big timers by a few percent. Ah, the youtube model.
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PMush Perfect posted:Has any good decision ever been made because an investor told someone to do it? Well, kickstarter has shown that while video game publishers can gently caress over a project, they also force people to actually finish their project. Without someone breathing down their neck, there are plenty of folk who'll just doddle and waste funds and the whole thing goes under without even being finished.
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