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This morning I listened to NPR and they were interviewing a African American man barber and he said he was voting for Doug Jones even though he really likes Donald Trump because trump is honest and does what he says.
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What Im saying is everyone is loving stupid.
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Dec 12, 2017 19:56
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Chomskyan posted:Nobody is scapegoating anybody. We're just listening to what black people say when someone bothers to give them a microphone. Those who have been interviewed who are going to vote seem mostly motivated by the horror show that is Roy Moore and are pretty lukewarm on Jones. Sure, he prosecuted the KKK... half a century ago. It's not as strong of a stump as he thinks I dont need a goddamn article because I am a black person from alabama, with a lot of family and friends who are black people from alabama. They are being scapegoated. WHY are these articles being written? edit: if you were truly TRULY listening to black people, my words would have equal weight then these articles, but my words dont fit your narrative Fluffdaddy fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Dec 12, 2017 19:57
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Mr Hootington posted:What Im saying is everyone is loving stupid. 
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Dec 12, 2017 19:58
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Chomskyan posted:Nobody is scapegoating anybody. We're just listening to what black people say when someone bothers to give them a microphone. Those who have been interviewed who are going to vote seem mostly motivated by the horror show that is Roy Moore and are pretty lukewarm on Jones. Sure, he prosecuted the KKK... half a century ago. It's not as strong of a stump as he thinks not exactly what you're looking for but still interesting little article on GOTV and canvassing in a black neighborhood https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/getting-out-the-black-vote-in-alabama quote:The next two houses wanted signs, too. “We understand it’s a bubble,” Laurie said. “We’ve been given a list of ‘likely democratic voters.’ But it’s encouraging to have really nice, energetic comments.” About a third of the self-described Jones supporters they spoke with took signs. “One man told me he was reluctant to put a yard sign out ‘for security reasons,’ ” Larry said. “It reminded me of the extent of cultural intimidation that still occurs. To support white supremacy, there was a closed society that intimidated folks with another view: run them out of the South or lynch them. We’ve still got a very narrow view of what proper political discourse is here. We don’t have a vigorous, open political debate.” He added, “Several people mentioned today that they didn’t want to show their neighbors how they were voting.” quote:Most of the people whom Larry and Laurie had spoken to over the past few weeks knew who Jones was. If they didn’t, Larry and Laurie found that it was more effective to say that John Lewis supports Jones than to say that Jones is a Democrat. “Lewis was the clincher,” Larry said. Issue-wise, voters most often wanted to know about Jones’s position on health care. also Fluffdaddy thanks for bringing in your perspective 
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Dec 12, 2017 20:00
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Fluffdaddy posted:Considering black folks have been having this fight and are much more resource strapped than white leftist, sorry I don't have any pity to give. I think this is super valid criticism. The lack of understanding around the importance of and the need to fight for voting rights is a huge blind spot. I mean, fighting to not just repair the VRA but expand it into a national right to vote would make everything else the left wants to do much more possible to accomplish.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:01
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Chomskyan posted:Nobody is scapegoating anybody. We're just listening to what black people say when someone bothers to give them a microphone. Those who have been interviewed who are going to vote seem mostly motivated by the horror show that is Roy Moore and are pretty lukewarm on Jones. Sure, he prosecuted the KKK... half a century ago. It's not as strong of a stump as he thinks The problem is that the articles are going for a "Jones' campaign didn't reach out to black people narrative" but if he loses the narrative will ultimately be "black people didn't turn out for Jones," ignoring that Moore won primarily because garbage white people voted for him. Much in the same way that some people even today parrot "black people didn't turn out for Hillary" while ignoring things like voter suppression. https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/s...er%3D38%23pti25
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Dec 12, 2017 20:05
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Fluffdaddy posted:I dont need a goddamn article because I am a black person from alabama, with a lot of family and friends who are black people from alabama. They are being scapegoated. WHY are these articles being written? I don't think those articles are being written with the intention of scapegoating black people. I'm not ignoring your perspective, I consider it one of many. Lightning Knight posted:The problem is that the articles are going for a "Jones' campaign didn't reach out to black people narrative" but if he loses the narrative will ultimately be "black people didn't turn out for Jones," ignoring that Moore won primarily because garbage white people voted for him. Much in the same way that some people even today parrot "black people didn't turn out for Hillary" while ignoring things like voter suppression. That has more to do with rank and file Dem politicians and their supporters feeling they're entitled to black votes and lashing out when they don't get them (because they're mediocre).
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Dec 12, 2017 20:14
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Nevvy Z posted:But there's a whole thread for us to watch from. I don't actually have PMs. I was just trying to dismissively end it.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:16
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Chomskyan posted:That has more to do with rank and file Dem politicians and their supporters feeling they're entitled to black votes and lashing out when they don't get them (because they're mediocre). I mean yes, but the point is that the narrative that will ultimately be internalized and propagated to most people is centered on a proposed failing of black voters, intentionally or not, which is lovely and dumb.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:17
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean yes, but the point is that the narrative that will ultimately be internalized and propagated to most people is centered on a proposed failing of black voters, intentionally or not, which is lovely and dumb. I agree
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Dec 12, 2017 20:21
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean yes, but the point is that the narrative that will ultimately be internalized and propagated to most people is centered on a proposed failing of black voters, intentionally or not, which is lovely and dumb. Yep and instead of having any self reflection, the leftist will continue to say poo poo like this: Chomskyan posted:I don't think those articles are being written with the intention of scapegoating black people. I'm not ignoring your perspective, I consider it one of many. Those articles are being written to make white people feel better about their moral failings and to make black people complicit in the election of a pedophile.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:21
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean yes, but the point is that the narrative that will ultimately be internalized and propagated to most people is centered on a proposed failing of black voters, intentionally or not, which is lovely and dumb. Ultimately ‘blame the voters’ is going to become the narrative in whatever permutation it adopts. God forbid this country’s ubiquitous authoritarianism allow us to do anything else.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:23
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Here is some work being done by black folks who are also financially strapped https://twitter.com/ProjectSouth/status/940573701262774272 If you are a DSA person this is the kind of work that needs to be done. edit: Article Link https://thinkprogress.org/voter-registration-former-felons-alabama-election-aa3ba5ecb020/
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Dec 12, 2017 20:24
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Office Pig posted:Ultimately ‘blame the voters’ is going to become the narrative in whatever permutation it adopts. God forbid this country’s ubiquitous authoritarianism allow us to do anything else. I'm willing to argue that the voting population as a whole bears some degree of responsibility for the mess we face now. Ronald Reagan didn't just take over in a coup, he was elected in massive landslides, for example. I think it's dumb and suspect to specifically single out black voters for Democratic losses because it misunderstands the problem, however.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:28
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HootTheOwl posted:I don't actually have PMs. I was just trying to dismissively end it. rest assured, at no point was I under the illusion you wanted to address the issue
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Dec 12, 2017 20:32
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Fluffdaddy posted:Here is some work being done by black folks who are also financially strapped quote:DOTHAN, ALABAMA — “Today is the last day to register to vote in the state of Alabama,” Pastor Kenneth Glasgow said into a microphone, his energy lighting up the radio studio in the office of a community group he runs. “Those of you listening in the prison cells right now: You can vote if you don’t have a murder charge or any kind of sex charge.”  trans people -- basically murderers.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:36
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botany posted:
sex charge. meaning rape or pedophilia. not sex change
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Dec 12, 2017 20:37
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botany posted:
sex char- Fluffdaddy posted:sex charge. meaning rape or pedophilia. not sex change
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Dec 12, 2017 20:38
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hey guys just popping in to remind everyone that the state of alabama graciously allows dmv offices in black belt counties to open one day a month in case anyone was wondering why black turnout might not be all that great
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Dec 12, 2017 20:39
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oh i completely misread that, haha, i'm sorry.
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Dec 12, 2017 20:39
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botany posted:oh i completely misread that, haha, i'm sorry. It works either way for republicans.
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Dec 12, 2017 21:02
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Also "sex change" is a really offensive term and you should work on not having it pop into your mind so easily.
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Dec 12, 2017 22:45
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https://twitter.com/bobby/status/940365963639296000
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Dec 12, 2017 23:39
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Normally not a fan of gif replies but for some reason this one made my day.
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Dec 12, 2017 23:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bax1pLRgM24 Ro Khanna and Robert Reich discuss a variety of things, including the Democratic party response to the economic messages of Trump and the Republicans.
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Dec 13, 2017 00:43
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Black people are complicit. Just because there are systematic reasons that black people stay home does not entirely absolve us for staying home. Black people need to hear they are part of the problem and not be coddled for not being involved as well. Its not a either or thing. White people shoulder a lot of blame, but black people still have blame. A lot of people stay home just for being lazy and then blame it on other stuff after the fact; I've seen it my entire life.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:43
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Darko posted:Black people are complicit. Just because there are systematic reasons that black people stay home does not entirely absolve us for staying home. Black people need to hear they are part of the problem and not be coddled for not being involved as well. What does this have to do with voter suppression? How are we complicit in systematic racism when we are not a majority actor in it?
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Dec 13, 2017 02:46
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Darko posted:Black people are complicit. Just because there are systematic reasons that black people stay home does not entirely absolve us for staying home. Black people need to hear they are part of the problem and not be coddled for not being involved as well. This is accurate. Unfortunately we are not above being awful and have our own cultural problems. I will always cape for Black folks, except when it's about our actual faults that need to be addressed.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:47
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Fluffdaddy posted:What does this have to do with voter suppression? How are we complicit in systematic racism when we are not a majority actor in it? I didn't read it as complicit in voter suppression, but in things like staying home for being antichoice and homophobic. I hope I'm not mistaken..
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Dec 13, 2017 02:49
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Darko posted:Black people are complicit. Just because there are systematic reasons that black people stay home does not entirely absolve us for staying home. Black people need to hear they are part of the problem and not be coddled for not being involved as well. https://twitter.com/TheWayWithAnoa/status/940565083914145792 See also that video of Nomiki Konst.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:50
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Darko posted:Black people are complicit. Just because there are systematic reasons that black people stay home does not entirely absolve us for staying home. Black people need to hear they are part of the problem and not be coddled for not being involved as well. White people are the problem you loving dipshit. Even if individual black people act in complacency it's white people that started and perpetuate the system that stymies them from having any power.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:51
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Darko posted:Black people are complicit. Just because there are systematic reasons that black people stay home does not entirely absolve us for staying home. Black people need to hear they are part of the problem and not be coddled for not being involved as well. https://mobile.twitter.com/cmclymer/status/940751375851507712 👕👚👕👚👕👚👕👚👕👚 good shirt go౦ԁ sHirt👕 thats 👔 some good👕👕shirt right👕👕th 👕 ere👕👕👕 right👔there 👔👔if i do ƽaү so my selｆ 🏃 i say so 🏃 thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMᎷМ🏃 👕👕👕НO0ОଠＯOOＯOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ👕👕👕👕 🏃 👕 👚👚👚 👕👕Good shirt
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Dec 13, 2017 02:51
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Aren't American voting rates ridiculously low all over the board? I'd say blaming individual "laziness" or whatever is missing the forest for the trees, since its apparently a systematic issue.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:55
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Koalas March posted:I didn't read it as complicit in voter suppression, but in things like staying home for being antichoice and homophobic. I hope I'm not mistaken.. Yes, black people are Republicans in everything but racism as a whole. And also why they get lazy when they (we) percieve it as nothing affecting us in particular, with no worry about the long-view or other demographics.
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Dec 13, 2017 02:57
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Well luckily black Republicans are very, very small percentage of the black electorate. They don't represent us at all. The big problem I want addressed in my community is sexism and CSA. But that's a chat for another thread.
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Dec 13, 2017 03:01
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:White people are the problem you loving dipshit. How many years have you lived among black people as a black person? They arent special perfect saints you have to protect, they are just as lovely as white people, just not in power. Don't infantalize us, we aren't babies that need to be coddled and need to answer with our own internal reasons that we don't get involved. We know white people are the first cause, but there is a lot of internal bullshit black people need to be called.on as well, and I don't mind a spotlight on it. Edited because my phone tore that post up Darko fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Dec 13, 2017 03:01
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Koalas March posted:Well luckily black Republicans are very, very small percentage of the black electorate. The issue isnt black Republicans, its that on almost every issue besides race, black people generally align with Republicans, which is part of the reason they don't go out stronger for Democratic issues. Its a large elephant in the room that always gets really minimized, but is a huge reason Hillary lost states (sexism causing apathy).
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Dec 13, 2017 03:04
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Based on age breakdowns of voters I don’t think that bears out statistically. Older black people may be relatively conservative but all the data we’ve seen recently suggests younger black people are overwhelmingly progressive.
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Darko posted:The issue isnt black Republicans, its that on almost every issue besides race, black people generally align with Republicans, which is part of the reason they don't go out stronger for Democratic issues. Its a large elephant in the room that always gets really minimized, but is a huge reason Hillary lost states (sexism causing apathy). Black Republicans are not the majority of black people though. Black people always come out for Democrats. We broke for Hillary, especially black women.
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