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On the subject of Camelot stuff, I wonder if we'll ever get a second event to add some of the servants that didn't make the cut the first time around. Kay, Agravain, Gareth, Percival, Guinevere, and Morgan La Fay have all already shown up or been referred to in some media or other, and some even already have character designs. Hell, Agravain already has a character portrait, and Gareth's already officially been made a woman. It's only a matter of time before they fall into the gacha.LightningSquid posted:I want Artoria to be buffed so I stop being a little bit mad that I pulled her in the paid gacha. Maybe in 2025. Saber is fine, just a little bland. There are plenty of servants who are outright mediocre. As for the alters: Arturia Lancer Alter is pretty good. Her NP' effects are a bit situational, but her second skill is amazing, and arguably puts her over her non-alter version. Unfortunately her role in the story is quite small, and from what I remember of her event appearances she mostly seemed to show up to have boob jokes made about her. Cu Alter is one of the best berserkers out there. I'm not a huge fan of his design, personally, but I know some really like it. He is super edgy but somehow has seemed to avoid becoming a gag character, unlike almost every other alter. You'll see a ton of him in America. Jeanne D'arc Alter Santa Lily has almost no Alter component left to her and is not that great a servant, but I think she's one of the few child servants in this game that manages to be cute but not in a creepy way? Plus she's also free, unlike everyone else on this list. Mysterious Heroine X Alter is a star wars gag servant based on a gag servant that was revamped into a star wars gag servant, and last I checked she was not very good, but she's had a strengthening quest added since then, and her design is nice, at least. Emiya Alter brought up an awkward racial joke or two when he came out, but his NP is cool, his concept is cool, and he's super edgy if that's your thing. Arturia Rider Maid Alter has cool animations and NP but is a little nonsensical. Has some neat skills, though, and if you want more Saber Alter, there you go. I think that's all of them at this point? Basically, all we need is one more Arturia Alter and you can put together a full 6-man team of them. Bakanogami fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Stallion Cabana posted:Well if you earn Gilgamesh's respect as a Master he'll actually try for you and that's when he's dangerous. Then his second(?) interlude come out where you proves your worth to him, which he become a bit more motivated for the mc and told you that you will see it soon. His animation revamp applied right after, but that is already auto applied in out NA ver. He jump up to air-fire second buster, different gate attack directions instead of stright spam, he pull out a (herk?) axe in his extra to add in a melee slash, and his Np goes from gate spam to EA. The dude just lack motivation and tired of bs. 
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I kind of wish Lancer Artoria Alter and Mordred were on the same banner rather than with Tesla/Fran respectively, because I'm interested in their characters and L.A.A. is unfortunately story locked.
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Bakanogami posted:Cu Alter is one of the best berserkers out there. I'm not a huge fan of his design, personally, but I know some really like it. He is super edgy but somehow has seemed to avoid becoming a gag character, unlike almost every other alter. Seems like OG Cu fell on that lance for him.
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Retcon posted:So, the 50 extra spaces for the Second Archive was unintentional. They're taking it away and giving everyone one quartz as an apology. Can't say I was using the space, but that's pretty lame, Well, I guess that will learn people for complaining about not getting free poo poo.
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I actually find MHXA to be solid post-strengthening, personally. She's still not amazing, but she's a ST Berserker with double damage buffs with great NP gain and p. good stargen with her Quick buff up. Her lack of any real defensive skills still sucks, but her offense is fine now, IMO.
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Speaking of MHX, I wonder if someone still has the April Fools browser mini-game she originated from archived. I recall that when it came out people were scurrying along trying to rip out all the scripts, images and sound effects, but were running into issues fetching some of the files. So maybe it never got to the point it was translated either. Ruby Prism fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Stallion Cabana posted:Well if you earn Gilgamesh's respect as a Master he'll actually try for you and that's when he's dangerous. That's why it's called strange and fake.
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Does Robin's +200-250% bonus to his NP get applied to the raw total multiplier (so 1500% becomes 1700-1750%) or is it a separate multiplier? Ever since the NP card damage talk from a while back I've been trying to calculate out some NPs out of curiosity and trying to figure out for example how Robin beats out Caesar in these charts despite Caesar having higher attack and a lot more boosts from his level 1 skills which the chart supposedly takes into account in the first bar. E: I assume it's the "powerMod" in this calculation, and thus is added afterwards? The math seems to make sense if so. Also lol is that you Kyte in that post? Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Sophism posted:Speaking of MHX, I wonder if someone still has the April Fools browser mini-game she originated from archived. It might not work perfectly without putting it on a web server because of security things browsers have added to file:// addresses since then, but the stuff itself is fine. Some people translated the first few bits but as often happens with Commie and TM they didn't give enough of a poo poo to finish. Here's the Intro, Ch1, Ch2. Kyte fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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I'm a bit surprised at how quickly 2000 or so exp cards vanished down the drain, but hey I have 16 fully levelled Servants now so I'm not complaining.
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Nate RFB posted:Does Robin's +200-250% bonus to his NP get applied to the raw total multiplier (so 1500% becomes 1700-1750%) or is it a separate multiplier? Ever since the NP card damage talk from a while back I've been trying to calculate out some NPs out of curiosity and trying to figure out for example how Robin beats out Caesar in these charts despite Caesar having higher attack and a lot more boosts from his level 1 skills which the chart supposedly takes into account in the first bar.  Vlad's NP is... a lot lower on these charts than I'd expect, even not against shielder. I guess I've literally never used his NP1 though since I got two very close together.E: do Kiyo and Elizabeth do extra damage if the NP only hits one enemy? I don't recall that being listed anywhere. Taciturn Tactician fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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The boss of D‘Eons interlude is a bit ridiculous. He had no chance of killing me since I went in with a support Tamamo and my own Medea Lily, but even Scathach firing off a God Slayer enhanced NP barely put a dent in his HP.
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Where in the world does that "0.23" come from in that damage calculation? Just a flat -77% that DW applies to its damage calculation that people figured out from crunching the numbers?Taciturn Tactician posted:E: do Kiyo and Elizabeth do extra damage if the NP only hits one enemy? I don't recall that being listed anywhere. Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Nate RFB posted:That would eliminate the downside to having an AOE NP in the first place, so no. It's on those charts, though, they have a bar for bonus damage that says "for one target"? E: Retcon posted:The boss of D‘Eons interlude is a bit ridiculous. He had no chance of killing me since I went in with a support Tamamo and my own Medea Lily, but even Scathach firing off a God Slayer enhanced NP barely put a dent in his HP. Speaking as someone who runs a lot of berserkers, that fight suuuucked. 
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Taciturn Tactician posted:It's on those charts, though, they have a bar for bonus damage that says "for one target"?
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Retcon posted:The boss of D‘Eons interlude is a bit ridiculous. He had no chance of killing me since I went in with a support Tamamo and my own Medea Lily, but even Scathach firing off a God Slayer enhanced NP barely put a dent in his HP. The "easy" way is taking multiple death-inflicting NPs and scumming it if they don't land.
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Nate RFB posted:Oh that's probably referring to targets who got a Defense down skill used on them. They can boost their damage of course with such a skill, but only against one target at a time. Ah, that makes sense.
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Motto posted:The "easy" way is taking multiple death-inflicting NPs and scumming it if they don't land.
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Bakanogami posted:Arturia Rider Maid Alter Good god, whenever I think this game can't get more anime... Also I'm glad to know that Cu Alter is good, he's one of the ones I'm the most interested in. It's a shame he and Jalter come relatively close together.
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LightningSquid posted:Good god, whenever I think this game can't get more anime... *takes off glasses dramatically* good god, gentlemen... the Anime
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Nate RFB posted:Where in the world does that "0.23" come from in that damage calculation? Just a flat -77% that DW applies to its damage calculation that people figured out from crunching the numbers?
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That is all genuinely fascinating to me. Math is cool. Another thing that stood out was the terminology with some servants' NP damage. Robin, Bryn, Gil, Carmilla get boosts to their NP under certain circumstances and this is labeled "Special Damage", acting as a flat increase applied after the fact. Jack's on the other hand is labeled "Own Damage" presumably because the effect propagates through to all other cards she uses. But because of that distinction, the boost is "50%" at regular overcharge even though it seems to work out to the same 1.5x effect that say Byrn gets on hers.
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So I think George may have just earned himself a grail or two by soloing half the Okeanos boss fight.
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Twas a difficult and powerful  What did you do, go in with a party full of classes the boss is strong against? And kill Lily first?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Twas a difficult and powerful I just brought an assortment of my highest level servants, and he just AoEd non-stop. And the turn after I lucked into a sweet quick chain Nobunaga didn't get a single loving card so my damage potential went to poo poo. And then when George came out (last in my lineup) the pillar had like 20k left. Cue George doing endless brave chains into NP arts brave chains while Medea hits like a wet paper bag for the entirety of her health bar. If I did anything wrong it was bringing story Drake instead of a real support servant. ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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Nate RFB posted:That is all genuinely fascinating to me. Math is cool. It's a different category of effect. The one Byrn's is in has 100% subtracted in the calculations whereas Jack's is in the same category as, say, Scathach's divinity skill which does not have 100% subtracted. IMO it's an issue with the display on most wiki and such--they should just subtract that 100% to make things clearer to people.
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It's done, I finally have the rarest 3 star unit in the game. Caster Gilles may be terrible, but at least I got him out of the way.
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Black key, I'm done. Wake me up until february.
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Nothing but an Imaginary Element and NP+ for Euryale. My luck waxes and wanes.
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Atalante's personality is annoying as hell but her ultimate furry form is super hot. Also, the most recent episode's art quality went waaaaaay down.
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Tae posted:Black key, I'm done. Wake me up until february. Spooked
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ComaPrison posted:Atalante's personality is annoying as hell but her ultimate furry form is super hot. Also, the most recent episode's art quality went waaaaaay down. Did you mean to post this in a Fate Apocrypha thread? This thread is Grand Order, a good Fate.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Did you mean to post this in a Fate Apocrypha thread? What a burn. Yet so true.
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ComaPrison posted:Atalante's personality is annoying as hell but her ultimate furry form is super hot. Also, the most recent episode's art quality went waaaaaay down. Being creepy aside, what? https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/939516569834663937 https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/939921132676960256 https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/939923213366284300
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Pureauthor posted:Lots of people prefer their characters to be on-model as much as possible, which the latest episode wasn't particularly good for. On the other hand Gundam SEED
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