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Goon Danton posted:The general rule is that they can be relatively decent on most things, unless it has something to do with sex, at which point they lose their minds. Which is about what you'd expect from an organization run by celibate men for the last couple millenia. further to your point, they were solidly democratic until the mid 60s and even today there’s a jarring dissonance between their rhetorical tone on abortion compared to the still strident admonitions to welcome migrants, provide job, food and housing security, provide welfare and social security programs, provide aid and companionship to prisoners, accept outcasts, abolish the death penalty etc.
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My grandmother is catholic and she complains about the disenfranchisement of working people, laments that you used to be able to raise a family selling shoes, agrees with the things I tell her about the economy, and votes entirely for pro-life candidates.
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Dec 13, 2017 06:02
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Eventually the Catholic church will change its stance on abortion
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Dec 13, 2017 06:03
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it's also completely undemocratic and has 0 accountability to it's taxpayers and responsible for a great amount of misery in this world in the past 1000 years like, ah, the crusades and, ah, still killing people in africa to this day
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Dec 13, 2017 06:05
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and hey guess what if I can be raised Jewish, had family die in the Holocaust, and tell my family I support BDS then maybe you can acknowledge that your religion's history also sucks
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Dec 13, 2017 06:06
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Went to my first DSA meeting today. They've got a few projects that need doing that I think I can put some energy into. I think it went really well.
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This is, I should add, despite the fact that I have a painful condition that I depend on medicaid to pay the $60,000/year medication plus specialist doctor appointments, etc., and that I have to live with my mother in the other half of my grandmother's double house. It's completely insane. She and my grandfather just wave off that the republicans wouldn't be able to get rid of programs I depend on because welfare programs have never been repealed. loving religion.
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Internet Explorer posted:and hey guess what if I can be raised Jewish, had family die in the Holocaust, and tell my family I support BDS then maybe you can acknowledge that your religion's history also sucks do catholic leftists support the crusades or something?
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im an atheist so i dont really give a poo poo what stories you believe in lol
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Ace of Baes posted:do catholic leftists support the crusades or something? as far as I know neither me nor any other Catholic (lapsed or not, you're still a Papist) leftists give a poo poo about the crusades. that's strictly something the right cares about.
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PostNouveau posted:Went to my first DSA meeting today. They've got a few projects that need doing that I think I can put some energy into. I think it went really well. hell yeah!
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Dec 13, 2017 06:33
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oh hey, everyone. this tax bill is bullshit class war. let's loving do a thing and get into the streets friday night. https://dsasf.org/dsa-sf-calls-day-action-gop-tax-scam/ national's on board too quote:Republicans in the House and Senate are aiming to pass the Trump Tax Scam ASAP. But this fight is far from over. The Republican tax plan is the most unpopular bill in 30 years. And I can see why — it’s straight-up class warfare. That’s why I’m asking you to join DSA’s national day of action to Stop the #GOPTaxScam, this Friday 12/15! it's short notice but we have a better shot at stopping this now that we don't have roy moore in the senate, so bug your representatives on friday and then get in the streets friday evening.
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Dec 13, 2017 07:07
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Ace of Baes posted:Eventually the Catholic church will change its stance on abortion Can't wait for Pope Galactic VII to make a papal decree in favor of Pro-choice in the year 30XX We'll get female priests before the church changes it's mind on sex.
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Dec 13, 2017 09:07
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Dreddout posted:Can't wait for Pope Galactic VII to make a papal decree in favor of Pro-choice in the year 30XX the catholic church, like pretty much all organized religion, is most concerned with power, which is derived from membership, in a few generation the abortion thing is going to start massively driving down their recruitment numbers, and if you know anything about (individual) churches, getting young people to show up and continue the church going is the #1 goal of the old rear end dying leadership, its how they make their money and preserve their "legacy"
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Ace of Baes posted:the catholic church, like pretty much all organized religion, is most concerned with power, which is derived from membership, in a few generation the abortion thing is going to start massively driving down their recruitment numbers, and if you know anything about (individual) churches, getting young people to show up and continue the church going is the #1 goal of the old rear end dying leadership, its how they make their money and preserve their "legacy" The church changes slowly, and it's not exactly starving for membership in the Latin World, where people tend towards sexual conservatism and Catholic religiosity.
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Dec 13, 2017 09:33
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Like, the Catholic Church is a global organization, not a regional Evangelical congregation. It's not particularly concerned with American politics, and it's certainly not interested in pissing off it's power base in the third world to make American progressives happy
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Dec 13, 2017 09:36
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i dont really care im just pointing out that eventually they will change their stance on it, because they're primarily concerned with power, and the arc of history bends towards abortion being taken for granted in the states within a generation or two and the rest of the world eventually, depending on the country
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Dec 13, 2017 09:38
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mostly because medical technology and advancements are going to continue regardless of what religion does
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everyone who actually cared whether they agreed with their church left to become protestants, which there are like three american catholics who oppose abortion AND the death penalty.
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Ace of Baes posted:mostly because medical technology and advancements are going to continue regardless of what religion does the evangelical stance on this is "not if we stop it first bitch"
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cenotaph posted:My grandmother is catholic and she complains about the disenfranchisement of working people, laments that you used to be able to raise a family selling shoes, agrees with the things I tell her about the economy, and votes entirely for pro-life candidates. Also someone at the PG wrote in more details of what went on at the GM https://twitter.com/nealmeyer/status/940701592919183360  at the comments about how mean we were to Fetterman
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Ace of Baes posted:Eventually the Catholic church will change its stance on abortion Honestly, I don't think they'll change their stance so much as become comfortable with the hypocrisy. Just like premarital sex. Their stance on birth control, LGBT, and communism OTOH are barely supportable even internally.
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achillesforever6 posted:Talking to people who use Abortion as their single issue barometer is the most infuriating thing in the world. That said, "While Mr. Fetterman seemed surprised by the hostile reception, he said, “We wanted to come in and pay our respects to the organization. And I respect their decision. ... I don’t agree with Paul on every issue, or even with Bernie Sanders on every issue. But I’ve been in Braddock long enough to know that he has always stepped up for us.” is pretty fuckin' rad.
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unbutthurtable posted:That said, "While Mr. Fetterman seemed surprised by the hostile reception, he said, “We wanted to come in and pay our respects to the organization. And I respect their decision. ... I don’t agree with Paul on every issue, or even with Bernie Sanders on every issue. But I’ve been in Braddock long enough to know that he has always stepped up for us.” is pretty fuckin' rad. whats that saying about knees and how they move
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Business Gorillas posted:What's the goon caucus's stance on Jesuits aren't they like jesus superhumans
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Business Gorillas posted:What's the goon caucus's stance on Jesuits A Franciscan monk was on a train when he saw another man, a Jesuit, muttering prayers from the side of his mouth while puffing on a cigarette. Surprised by this libertinism, the Franciscan confronted the Jesuit, saying "Our abbot said we couldn't do that, pray and smoke at the same time." "Hmm," went the Jesuit, "what exactly did you ask him?" The Franciscan answered: "We asked him if we could smoke while we pray." "Oh, well there's your problem!" the Jesuit replied. "We asked ours if we could pray while we smoke."
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Jesuits are cool and liberation theology is rad, but you should use it to make catholic spaces more socialist, rather than socialist spaces more catholic. There's nothing wrong with trying to get a church group to start doin' some materialist analysis. Catholics in America (ex-catholic here) do tend to overwhelmingly gloss over the bad parts of the church's history within the past 200 years. It's important to recognize that churches have historically played major role in colonial efforts and that the the current role the RCC plays in Africa is a direct continuation of that.
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I actually like reading conservative Catholics from time to time, in cases where you get to see them go "Guys, maybe allying with capital for the past century or so is actually not compatible with the traditional, family-focused, community-focused society we want to live in." That's something the Joel Osteen types are never going to get, because their religion is founded on reconciling Christianity with a basically narcissistic and sociopathic view of humans as a species.
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Halloween Jack posted:I actually like reading conservative Catholics from time to time, in cases where you get to see them go "Guys, maybe allying with capital for the past century or so is actually not compatible with the traditional, family-focused, community-focused society we want to live in." That's something the Joel Osteen types are never going to get, because their religion is founded on reconciling Christianity with a basically narcissistic and sociopathic view of humans as a species. yeah, It's one of the interesting things that G. K. Chesterton stumbles into. Even though he's terrified of c-c-c-c-communism, he gets that capital rips communities apart.
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Impermanent posted:yeah, It's one of the interesting things that G. K. Chesterton stumbles into. Even though he's terrified of c-c-c-c-communism, he gets that capital rips communities apart.
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reignonyourparade posted:everyone who actually cared whether they agreed with their church left to become protestants, which there are like three american catholics who oppose abortion AND the death penalty. this is actually very untrue. there are many catholics who don't agree with the church's politics. the catholic church is not a very democratic place, so people just sort of live with the differences. look at how popular pope francis is, despite being very economically liberal. can we not start a second kulturkampf within the dsa please? i know kaiser wilhelm was known for good socialist praxis, but once was enough.
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GoluboiOgon posted:this is actually very untrue. there are many catholics who don't agree with the church's politics. the catholic church is not a very democratic place, so people just sort of live with the differences. look at how popular pope francis is, despite being very economically liberal. so sorry for calling out your lovely religion
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i kind of don't see catholics as some major obstacle to justice in the US
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Karl Barks posted:i kind of don't see catholics as some major obstacle to justice in the US Peep the supreme court some time.
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Internet Explorer posted:so sorry for calling out your lovely religion you wounldn't say, 'all jews are bad because isreal is an apartheid state,' so why are you comfortable saying 'all catholics are bad because some priests were rapists and participated in the holocost' hot take: the romans crucified jesus, and the roman catholic church has taken that sin onto itself and must be punished
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Business Gorillas posted:What's the goon caucus's stance on Jesuits if, after death reveals the lies underpinning their belief system, they still choose to stand and fight with the eldjotnar and their burning king against the true gods at the plain of vigrithr on the last day, they will fall beneath the blades of the einherjar like the rest
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coathat posted:Peep the supreme court some time. yes i know sonia sotomayer is catholic
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GoluboiOgon posted:you wounldn't say, 'all jews are bad because isreal is an apartheid state,' so why are you comfortable saying 'all catholics are bad because some priests were rapists and participated in the holocost' please quote where i said all catholics are bad, thanks
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