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FoldableHuman posted:I've come to the conclusion that Snyder probably doesn't think about scenes as scenes at all. He plants the camera and in that moment the scene is about whatever strikes him as interesting at that exact second Doesn't Snyder storyboard his own movies though? Also, in your Justice League Vlog what scene were you talking about when you mentioned a 'Lois Lane scene near the beginning that was very clearly a Zack Snyder scene'? The only one I remember near the beginning was the Ma Kent 'thirsty' scene, unless you were talking about a different one?
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Gorn Myson posted:Its significantly better than what you get in here, which is people so desperate to hate a director that made some comic book movies that they made that they are going as far as to invent continuity errors and intentionally misuse words like "Randian" and "fascist". Kaiba posted:Doesn't Snyder storyboard his own movies though?
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So in quiet moments I've been flicking through the channel cinema Nippon that's been covering Japanese movies including lesser known flicks and pulp stories. I think it was recommended in this thread awhile its a very small channel. I have more subscribers and I just upload PD films and educational podcasts. The most popular video at 2,500+ views is on Tokyo Decadence hmmm I wonder why,  As far as Japanophiles go the pair behind the channel seem pretty knowledgeable about the country and its movie industry, they've mostly avoided talking about anime with one of the exceptions being a quick spoiler free review of the recent hit film "Your name". Though they did do a vid about two Hatsune Miku music video's that had a lot to say about cultural development and historical legacies. I really liked vid on Ichi the Killer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be8rIOtTBqY
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Kaiba posted:Doesn't Snyder storyboard his own movies though? Yes, he started out as a cinematographer so I doubt that he just plops the camera where ever on a whim. I don't know why but I find him very endearing. I wish there was a South Korean equivalent to Cinema Nippon.
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I almost forgot to post the most recent Song Crimes, in which we visit the lawless nightmare world depicted in the music of proto-punks Jan and Dean.
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Okay, so everyone's real mad about superhero movies and their continued existence and relevancy and how much they continue to be a topic that people bring up. I'm godawful at keeping track of movie trends so I don't know what was the big thing before Marvel started doing live action non-Xmen movies and DC started doing the same. (I'm not singling anyone out, everyone's free to answer) What exactly do you want to see tons more of again? Soon-to-be Academy Award winning masterpiece, Ready Player One? People finding weird poo poo and just seeing how that works out for them for better or worse like Chronicle? Uh, robots doing sports like Real Steel but the entire Olympics? Mafia stuff? I'm all out now, I'm real bad at keeping track of what even comes out lately.
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RareAcumen posted:Okay, so everyone's real mad about superhero movies and their continued existence and relevancy and how much they continue to be a topic that people bring up. Mario And Sonic Go To The Robot Mafia Olympics, obviously
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I Before E posted:Mario And Sonic Go To The Robotnik Mafia Olympics, obviously 
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Sarcopenia posted:Yes, he started out as a cinematographer so I doubt that he just plops the camera where ever on a whim. I don't know why someone would accuse snyder of placing the camera willy nilly, he clearly cares about that very deeply, but that's like, his whole problem, a movie to snyder is all frames, movement, he very carefully plans his shots for maximum impact in the visual sense but never seems to pay much attention to coherent storytelling, to him film isn't a medium for storytelling but imagery
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RareAcumen posted:Okay, so everyone's real mad about superhero movies and their continued existence and relevancy and how much they continue to be a topic that people bring up. It should be like the 70s where they just bankrolled any crazy-rear end idea because they had no idea what would work. Honestly the problem is with the underlying economics and not the content of the movies. Hollywood relies on cheap comedies and absurdly expensive spectacles to stay solvent, and whatever they make has to be successful internationally. There’s no room for any kind of variety in budget or expected returns, so there’s a certain homogenization process that every idea gets run through before anyone even tries to sell it, and then it just gets refined into one type or another at every step of the process until you hear Mike and Jay bitching about it being boring and bland.
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The 'incoherency' has been shown to be in the critic. Snyder undermines the expectation of what 'should' happen, as seen in the complaint that there's no comfortable transition between a tragic and a lighter scene. This leads to stuff like Augus seeing this horrifying gap in reality and imagining a sitcom audience and laughtrack to cope with it.
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RareAcumen posted:Okay, so everyone's real mad about superhero movies and their continued existence and relevancy and how much they continue to be a topic that people bring up. I suspect the big problem most people have WRT superhero supremacy is just the lack of variety: They're fairly similar in tone, plot, and gimmicks, so after a while they get really, really boring, even if you like them. (The fact that the "cinematic universe" metaplot requires a jillion different unrelated threads to be addressed does not help at all.) Like check out the action movies of the 80s versus now: there were a couple of fairly dominant subgenres like cop movies and army stuff, but overall there's a pretty wild variety of concepts going on, from scifi monsters to robots to archaeology to weird comedies. While there ARE other action movies out now, the market is super saturated with sooooo many superheroes, mostly from the big two, and nobody ever shuts up about them. (See: the invasion of dorks constantly relitigating a single scene of one movie in here despite it being off topic and nobody else giving a poo poo.) I'm still sort of into a few of the MCU movies, but I'm definitely over the big crossover ones and the shared metanarrative. I was much more on board when it was just letting a variety of people have some fun with the characters and plots, without cramming in extraneous stuff or mandating the least interesting plotlines possible.
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RareAcumen posted:Okay, so everyone's real mad about superhero movies and their continued existence and relevancy and how much they continue to be a topic that people bring up. I'm old so my memory isn't great but I wanna say there was a spike in Westerns shortly before Saw happened and some idiot came up with the term 'Torture Porn'. Disaster movies got a small bump following ID4, and then died with, I wanna say Poisidon. There is a slow-burning sci-fi undercurrent at the moment IMHO. Enders Game, Arrival, Interstellar, Life, Valerian, Passengers, The Martian... There's prolly a study out there about film trends and how long they last and I bet the MCU specifically is loving all of those predictions and models right up.
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Kim Justice posted:I hate superhero movies, I really do. Like, just all of them without exception I hate superhero movies but LOOOVE what they have done for irate nerd arguments.
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Dan, if it makes you feel any better over CineD crowing about how you got a minor technical detail of a movie wrong, you're still spot on about Suicide Squad. I watched part of it a couple weeks ago and the editing was a hot mess.
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Puppy Time posted:I suspect the big problem most people have WRT superhero supremacy is just the lack of variety: They're fairly similar in tone, plot, and gimmicks, so after a while they get really, really boring, even if you like them. (The fact that the "cinematic universe" metaplot requires a jillion different unrelated threads to be addressed does not help at all.) Oh yeah, that's right. I totally forgot about Battle LA and Battleship the action movie as examples. So the issue isn't so much that they're so many superhero movies as it is that they're all basically Dragon Ball Z/ Karate Kid as far as how everything plays out. And also that every villain is just someone who hits harder and shoots stronger lasers than the last guy. Maybe Black Widow will mix it up by mostly being a Spy Thriller. Only I'm sure of is that CinemaSins will be more insufferable than ever throughout it.
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Baka-nin posted:So in quiet moments I've been flicking through the channel cinema Nippon that's been covering Japanese movies including lesser known flicks and pulp stories. I think it was recommended in this thread awhile its a very small channel. I have more subscribers and I just upload PD films and educational podcasts. The most popular video at 2,500+ views is on Tokyo Decadence hmmm I wonder why, Yeah, I posted about them after I came across their Stray Cat Rock video. (Sex Hunter is a cool movie about I'm impressed with how productive they are despite having almost no audience. They just did ten days of videos tracing the history of the yakuza genre. The stuff they cover is so much My poo poo that a lot of the time I want to watch the movie before their video on it.
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Can't imagine why the big spinning imperial Japanese flag doesn't help them draw audiences.WampaLord posted:Dan, if it makes you feel any better over CineD crowing about how you got a minor technical detail of a movie wrong lol RareAcumen posted:Oh yeah, that's right. I totally forgot about Battle LA and Battleship the action movie as examples. So the issue isn't so much that they're so many superhero movies as it is that they're all basically Dragon Ball Z/ Karate Kid as far as how everything plays out. And also that every villain is just someone who hits harder and shoots stronger lasers than the last guy. Man of Steel said everything superhero movies ever needed to say, but people inexplicably still want more of them even though they're redundant and the genre has always been barren anyway.
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https://twitter.com/21logician/status/940890585698881542 Is this out of context or is Sargon of Arkad even more despicable than I previously thought.
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Lol so why did they do it in the first place, it didn't seem like it was saving them much money?
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Sarcopenia posted:https://twitter.com/21logician/status/940890585698881542 Sargon is a major conspiracy theorist - he was a 9/11 truther for a loong time (probably still is although he says he isn't anymore...depends who he's talking to). First I've heard about this particular one but it doesn't surprise me that he'd buy into it or spout it up on a stream with an alt-righter like Millennial Woes (the term that's gaining traction recently for such people is "Right-Wing SJW"). I have a lot more respect for a good, honest and explicitly right-leaning account than I do for him tbh - even if he stumbles upon a good point, it's not like he means any of it because 5 minutes later he'll have contradicted it. As for Patreon...well, interesting. Time to get the update posts ready lads EDIT: As for the why, a lot of people have speculated legal reasons wrt the nature of their transactions. If that's the case then they still definitely need to do something to make everything kosher and on the up and up, although what that is remains to be seen. Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Kim Justice posted:Sargon is a major conspiracy theorist - he was a 9/11 truther for a loong time (probably still is although he says he isn't anymore...depends who he's talking to). First I've heard about this particular one but it doesn't surprise me that he'd buy into it or spout it up on a stream with an alt-righter like Millennial Woes (the term that's gaining traction recently for such people is "Right-Wing SJW"). I have a lot more respect for a good, honest and explicitly right-leaning account than I do for him tbh - even if he stumbles upon a good point, it's not like he means any of it because 5 minutes later he'll have contradicted it. So without hearing the whole thing it's safe to say that there is no other context and he's just being a massive rear end in a top hat right? From all of the things I've heard about Sargon he's just a hugely incompetent "stopped clock is right twice a day" garbage person who goes where ever he gets some ataboys. I ask because twitter posts spread like wildfire, and albeit rarely, I've seen a few things unnecessarily taken out of context or presented in a dishonest way from leftists I have faith in because of course anyone wants their side to be right and if a gently caress up is that juicy and good you want to believe.
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Lol so why did they do it in the first place, it didn't seem like it was saving them much money? The two plausible explanations people seem to have focused on are 1.) unchecked greed so as to look good to their shareholders and 2.) changing up how they do business to avoid bumping into regulations that they may have been violating this entire time.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The 'incoherency' has been shown to be in the critic. Snyder undermines the expectation of what 'should' happen, as seen in the complaint that there's no comfortable transition between a tragic and a lighter scene. when Superman did the "look upwards and scream after killing the bad guy" thing I almost busted a gut Augus fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The 'incoherency' has been shown to be in the critic. Snyder undermines the expectation of what 'should' happen, as seen in the complaint that there's no comfortable transition between a tragic and a lighter scene. Tommy Wiseau undermines the expectations of what 'should' happen, as seen in the complaint that there's no comfortable transition between a tragic and a lighter scene. Yes, yes, yes, everyone claims their favourite bad storyteller is in fact a brave avant guard rebel subverting expectations. Also I didn't say Snyder plants the camera willy-nilly. I wasn't talking about his camera work, I was talking about his directing. He's so busy lubing himself up over every composition that he doesn't think about the actual edit. Not the storyboards, the actual stuff that was for real actually shot, which is how you get his consistently squirrelly eyelines and formless action sequences. It's how you get disorienting continuity errors like the family that is both dead and not dead, depending on which shot, exactly, you're looking at. It's why his plots don't unfold as much as they fall off the back of a truck, and why his movies feel like a dozen trailers stitched together. It's a brave new filmmaking style called "being a bad director." Genocyber posted:The two plausible explanations people seem to have focused on are 1.) unchecked greed so as to look good to their shareholders and 2.) changing up how they do business to avoid bumping into regulations that they may have been violating this entire time.
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Sarcopenia posted:So without hearing the whole thing it's safe to say that there is no other context and he's just being a massive rear end in a top hat right? From all of the things I've heard about Sargon he's just a hugely incompetent "stopped clock is right twice a day" garbage person who goes where ever he gets some ataboys. I ask because twitter posts spread like wildfire, and albeit rarely, I've seen a few things unnecessarily taken out of context or presented in a dishonest way from leftists I have faith in because of course anyone wants their side to be right and if a gently caress up is that juicy and good you want to believe. Yeah pretty much, though tbh I have no plans to listen to a Sargon and Woes stream to find out (of course, this is probably true for 99% of people who see such a post from Tom Bloke on their feed - it doesn't take much for something to catch! I mean, look at the whole Keaton mess that's been all over Twitter)
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Augus posted:the movie was so scary and different to me that I was cracking up in the theater throughout the whole scene at how absurdly cliched it was Hahaha, so you imagined that Superman looked upward in that scene to scream. FoldableHuman posted:Tommy Wiseau undermines the expectations of what 'should' happen, as seen in the complaint that there's no comfortable transition between a tragic and a lighter scene. Snyder's movies are in principle very straight-forward. There's little avant garde about them. It's simply their form that makes them strangely subversive. An example is how Superman is heroic and correct throughout Man of Steel, but it never feels like it because the destruction and desolation is so overpowering. Your criticism is based on fantasy - Snyder "doesn't think" about edits enough, which makes the movies incomprehensible. In truth, you're simply mistaken about what's shown on screen, and the narrative you thought was happening was never there. Thus you fantasize that Snyder didn't think hard enough about edits. This can also be seen in the complaint about how heroism is questioned in the movie after acts of heroism. The oil-rig scene "should" have happened after it's questioned whether or not to save people, so that it would be an affirmation Thus the narrative is a failure because what "should" have happened didn't happen. In truth Superman saves people, but we still get the uncomfortable question - doing the right thing is not easy, one might say. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Sargon had a bunch of posts about chemtrails on his facebook from like ten years ago (when he was only 30) that he forgot to scrub. He’s always been a smug moron.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Thus you fantasize that Snyder didn't think hard enough about edits.
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FoldableHuman posted:He routinely turns in four hour cuts that need to be hacked apart to actually fit into cinemas. He doesn't think about the edit. Come on now, I think you know what an assembly cut is. Also, there is no ambiguity. The family is not dead. I mean, is there anything we can do or say to make you believe this?
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FoldableHuman posted:He routinely turns in four hour cuts that need to be hacked apart to actually fit into cinemas. He doesn't think about the edit. Instead of thinking of a tidy edit, Snyder only wants to stitch things together - something is being hacked apart, mutilated behind the scenes. After the Cthulhu Cult stuff, you've moved onto Herbert West - Re-Animator.
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Kim Justice posted:Yeah pretty much, though tbh I have no plans to listen to a Sargon and Woes stream to find out (of course, this is probably true for 99% of people who see such a post from Tom Bloke on their feed - it doesn't take much for something to catch! I mean, look at the whole Keaton mess that's been all over Twitter) wait am i reading this wrong or are you defending keaton's mom here i mean the kid's father is a literal white supremacist with tattoos bragging about aryan pride, the shitstorm is very much warranted because it's pretty blatant that she did this for money and is also a massive shitheel with reprehensible views
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financially racist posted:wait am i reading this wrong or are you defending keaton's mom here Hell no, she's obviously a total arsehole who did this poo poo for money - the confederate flag picture stuff is obvious, the parents n' that...yeah, they're racist dicks who were mainly interested in cash and exploited their kid. But it's all a big perfect example of how things happen so freaking fast - one day everyone's empathising with the kid, the next it's all gone to poo poo...there was also other stuff that was being spread that was unsubstantiated somewhat - like, there's no proof saying that Keaton was getting bullied because he was saying racial slurs at people beyond it spreading on Twitter, or that one interaction an MMA fighter had with someone who was more likely than not pretending to be Keaton's mom. It's hard to separate the truth from fiction when so much stuff is flying around so freaking fast.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Instead of thinking of a tidy edit, Snyder only wants to stitch things together - something is being hacked apart, mutilated behind the scenes. After the Cthulhu Cult stuff, you've moved onto Herbert West - Re-Animator. stop it
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So, there's this Jet Li movie, Black Mask. The most common English dub available has this great moment where the camera pans over a crime scene at the library where Jet Li's character, Simon, works. The place is trashed and there's blood everywhere. It's obvious that the antagonist super soldiers broke in and killed all of Simon's co-workers. They're clearly dead, there's blood everywhere and they never show up again, but an added voice over line from a reporter claims all the people in the library got out with minor injuries.
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FoldableHuman posted:So, there's this Jet Li movie, Black Mask. The most common English dub available has this great moment where the camera pans over a crime scene at the library where Jet Li's character, Simon, works. The place is trashed and there's blood everywhere. It's obvious that the antagonist super soldiers broke in and killed all of Simon's co-workers. They're clearly dead, there's blood everywhere and they never show up again, but an added voice over line from a reporter claims all the people in the library got out with minor injuries. Wow, sounds like the English language distributor got cold feet and added voice over to try to make the audience not feel so bad about all the death. Cool story. Anyway, Zod is already dead in this shot and the family lives. What's your point? Again, you do know what an assembly cut is?
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