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Forum Joe posted:I like war films, I like the idea of stories in the star wars universe that don't focus around the Skywalker family. It was a flawed film, sure, but I loved it for the risks it took and the new things it introduced to what "Being a star wars film" is. Also, just because I have opinions you do not like does not mean they have no merit. Rogue One gets so close to being interesting, and then backs off. It could explore the Rebellion being an actual terrorist organization, but it just can't quite do it.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Rogue One gets so close to being interesting, and then backs off. It could explore the Rebellion being an actual terrorist organization, but it just can't quite do it. It’s also a film about stealing something that decides to be a generic war movie on a beach instead of a loving heist movie from a giant artificial under-construction death moon for the sole purpose of going “well actually,” to undercut the entire plot point of the Empire’s hubris, and for that I will forever pretend it never existed.
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Dec 13, 2017 22:02
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I thought TLJ put principal characters through difficult decision points that will spur debate & discussion.
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Dec 13, 2017 22:06
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Do people really expect them to do interesting things with Rey? They had their chance in this film. Think about it. Think about what Disney hitched themselves to. She's not a character, she's a symbol. She means something and that means she'll never struggle, she'll never fail. Do you think Rey'd ever lose a hand and come to the absolute nadir of despair? It's the same as Jyn Erso, as much as I love Rogue One. Compare her to Cassian and it's plain to see which one is a character and which one is some kind of audience surrogate symbol. They get by on being a novelty. They're no Imperator Furiosa. Even for the franchise that basically invented tie-in marketing, the sequel trilogy is really something. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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Dec 13, 2017 22:12
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Lampsacus posted:I thought TLJ put principal characters through difficult decision points that will spur debate & discussion. I realize goons will be goons but this does sound kind of like they just throw a bunch of stuff in the garbage. I have my own issues with the emergent narrative about the Jedi but a lot of that has more to do with their cognates to real-life religious practices rather than their role in a space action movie. I didn't like Rogue One but I saw it shortly after the election of doom so it's possible I was just not in the mood.
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Dec 13, 2017 22:12
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So neither Christensen or MacGregor actually show as rumored, right? Just Yoda?
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Dec 13, 2017 22:16
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Rogue One gets so close to being interesting, and then backs off. It could explore the Rebellion being an actual terrorist organization, but it just can't quite do it. yeah. the characters were too flat and honestly i didnt feel much for them outside the pilot(because i just kinda felt bad for him) and the droid. i would have put main ladies dad on scariff and have the battle start sooner and have the rebels actualy winning, then vader shows up and the fleet is hosed, cutting them off from planetary escape. Vader lands in shuttle, maybe mass chokes a bunch of rebels on the way out and starts marching towards the control tower where the plans and the relay are. the main cast is slowly picked off, holding their ground against vader and the empire. donnie yen uses the force to shut the door to by them some time. main girl is able to send the plans off but dies right after. krennic says some poo poo like and gets choked. idk this is poo poo but its better then their idea. Milky Moor posted:Do people really expect them to do interesting things with Rey? They had their chance in this film. i dont mind rey and i would have to see the new one. but i can understand. i find erso much worse though.
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Dec 13, 2017 22:28
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Kurzon posted:The central theme of the movie (if I can call it that) is defying audience expectations. It seems they took every classic adventure story trope and deliberately violated it. For instance, there is this planet battle that is deliberately reminiscent of Hoth, but instead of a great battle, Luke pulls off a magic trick to buy the good guys time to escape. In another case, Finn and Poe act as mavericks, and in a lesser movie they would have saved the day by doing things behind their superiors' backs, but here they instead gently caress things up more. Even right from the VERY beginning, as the crawl finished by saying something like "The order has discovered a resistance base and is about to assault it as the resistance is making plans for an escape" set up an expectation that it defied. Made me immediately think this was Empire 2.0 and we're about to get another battle of Hoth, but instead it's all in space and the order are just bombarding from a distance with no AT-AT vs Snowspeeder battle (until later). Set up an expectation, then twist it completely.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:Rogue One gets so close to being interesting, and then backs off. It could explore the Rebellion being an actual terrorist organization, but it just can't quite do it. I thought The Last Jedi backed off in a few places too. After Kylo and Rei had killed Snoke and then the guards, just the two of them were fighting over a lightsaber. Kylo was trying to convince Rei to come join him, and for a moment I was expecting him to convince her by saying something like "Not on the dark side, not on the light side. We don't have to be Sith or Jedi, but within each of us express both the dark and the light". It seemed set up for that, since he knew they were both conflicted and we knew they were both conflicted, and the film had been pointing out flaws in the light side the whole film. I got REALLY excited for a moment, about the potential that could have been if the movie had suggested such a concept.
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Really disappointing to hear that Luke dies in this one.
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Dec 13, 2017 23:03
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Crows Turn Off posted:Really disappointing to hear that Luke dies in this one. I dunno, it's pretty ok. I didn't want these movies to be "new cast has to get deus ex machina'd by the heroes from the first trilogy". I think the old crew all dying off is appropriate for a new step in the franchise
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Dec 13, 2017 23:06
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WTF is the point of the next movie? There's no major threat or mysterious whatever. It's just Kylo? Uggggghhhh who gives a shiiiiit.
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AlternateAccount posted:WTF is the point of the next movie? There's no major threat or mysterious whatever. It's just Kylo? Uggggghhhh who gives a shiiiiit. Forum Joe posted:Kylo was trying to convince Rei to come join him, and for a moment I was expecting him to convince her by saying something like "Not on the dark side, not on the light side. We don't have to be Sith or Jedi, but within each of us express both the dark and the light". This but with Rey convincing Kylo.
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Dec 13, 2017 23:16
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AlternateAccount posted:WTF is the point of the next movie? There's no major threat or mysterious whatever. It's just Kylo? Uggggghhhh who gives a shiiiiit. Snoke's gotta come back somehow. I don't care if it's strapped to a spider mech, he's coming back and explaining himself.
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Dec 13, 2017 23:21
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Shanty posted:Snoke's gotta come back somehow. I don't care if it's strapped to a spider mech, he's coming back and explaining himself. Looking forward to Kenneth Branagh Snoke.
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AlternateAccount posted:WTF is the point of the next movie? There's no major threat or mysterious whatever. It's just Kylo? Uggggghhhh who gives a shiiiiit. the 11 people left in the rebellion have to convince a million trillion people that it's better to rebel against the empire because third time's the charm with a Republic
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Dec 13, 2017 23:26
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Shanty posted:Snoke's gotta come back somehow. I don't care if it's strapped to a spider mech, he's coming back and explaining himself. I still think the idea of a rotting flesh spider Maul horror leading Kylo or Thrawn or whatever to some ancient Sith superweapon to strike back at the New Republic would have been a far more exciting movie, tying the timeline together from KOTOR to the new movies would have been a far more exciting move than this crap.
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Taintrunner posted:I still think the idea of a rotting flesh spider Maul horror leading Kylo or Thrawn or whatever to some ancient Sith superweapon to strike back at the New Republic would have been a far more exciting movie, tying the timeline together from KOTOR to the new movies would have been a far more exciting move than this crap. That sounds god awful.
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Steve2911 posted:That sounds god drat amazing. fixed
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Movie was great but space-Monaco was the obvious misstep. Also, force-using Leia isn’t really my jam. I like it when she can sense things, but moving through the vacuum of space into safety is a bit much.
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Many things about this film felt like hey, it's well executed, but why is it executed in the first place? I did enjoy it as entertainment. The film took away way too much of the mysticism of the force * Leia floating in space: This was just terrible, can't think of any redeeming qualities about it * Luke's force projection: Like, I like the bluff, and it almost feels almost like a nod to Han Solo but just pushing your saber through vision-Luke? The entire theatre applauded at the reveal. I did not dislike it in general though. * Yoda being there: Again, being one with the force and all. It feels almost unlike Yoda for him to be still be "ghost alive" in such a form. Seems against the philosophy. Yoda's lines and "trolling" Luke is actually kinda Yoda-like from ESB so they got that right. His dialogue wasn't bad imho. But why do it in the first place? Who wants it? Ultrafans? Casual fans? Random observers? I feel Luke should've just had the same button pushing done through introspection. The slapstick was way too much. OT was way more serious and I actually enjoy it. I did like Luke just throwing his saber out. I did not dislike the slapstick a whole lot, but it seems like it's just pandering and the film would've felt more serious without it. The First Order being bunch of cosplayers and the General or w/e would've realistically been assassinated by some upward moving people because he's such an incredible dumbass. What is the next film about? Where do we go from here? Ben as a threat feels incredibly meh. Snoke's lines were actually kinda good and I enjoyed them, but it still bothers me he's this random sith not established anywhere (and was unceremoniously killed off) I almost kept expecting that he'd be something else than we expected. The overall military and w/e balance still bothers me. Takes so much away from the OT, even if it has been decades. Yeah you had your victory but Imperial Remnant still beats your rear end. Okay. I guess I just wanted more OT-type of a film and perhaps that makes me a terrible grognard. Feel like there's so much more potential with the franchise. I feel like the film did establish more symbolism and some themes than the OT did about fear of failing, torch bearing and handing it to the next generation. Genuinely feel this film did themes and symbolism better than the OT did. Or perhaps they're just hitting them with my head harder than OT did and OT's stuff seems too obvious now. Now I wish someone just did a new KOTOR type game that would get "slow" storytelling in SW universe right. Damnit. edit: If you can hyperspace ram a ship through a fleet why isn't that done all the time? Dessel fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 14, 2017 00:27
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I just saw the scene of Luke tossing the lightsaber and it may yet be the funniest thing I’ve seen in years.
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Dec 14, 2017 00:29
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I mean if the idea is that both the Galactic Republic and the Galactic Empire are going to poo poo their guts out and create a new multipolar space-world where you can have all kinds of Star Wars, that would be entirely reasonable.
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Dec 14, 2017 00:30
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Leia was pretty clearly going to have a big role with Ben in 9 and I have no idea what the emotional catharsis is now other than "kill bad man."
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Dec 14, 2017 00:58
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Really glad they didn't edit in a death for Leia at the last minute. I was worried that the explosion that got her was cobbled together. Obviously it'll be a huge problem for the next film. I'd be happy if they just said 'she's needed on another front' and left it at that.
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Dec 14, 2017 01:01
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The Last Jedi posted:It is a dark time for the
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Dec 14, 2017 01:13
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They can pretty much just have the injuries from the space flight catch up with her and say that the only reason she was back up and walking around at all was because of the Force. Then have the next movie start with some sort of funeral sequence where we see her body and all of us cries as John Williams plays her theme.
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Dec 14, 2017 01:13
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I wouldn't mind if they recasted considering they decided not to rewrite to account for Fisher's death. Based on the response to TLJ, people are gonna be mad regardless. Might as well complete the story you had planned.
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Recast Carrie Fisher with Laura Dern imo, hell keep the mauve wig it rules
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Dec 14, 2017 01:44
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Btw, there's a scene in which a Resistance crusier basically cuts a major First Order ship in half by jumping into hyperspace at point blank range. The visual representation of this event is downright jawdropping. I haven't seen anything that cool in a movie theatre since I saw the ISS get ripped apart in Gravity.
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Dec 14, 2017 02:10
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Yeah the entire theatre gasped at this. It also coincides with two other dramatic moments, so it's like poetry. Even if I said that it makes you ask some questions about starship combat, I do appreciate the moment.
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My theatre was dead silent, as if in shock. It was serious movie magic, this is what the visual medium is made for. The more I think of the movie the more I like it. The big issues I have would be: Casino-subplot was...uh, kinda contrived. I love it when Star Wars takes us to places filled with strange creatures, and I loved that part of the whole thing, but I didn't buy the whole reason for being there. I felt that they could find another way for Finn and Rose to be off on a time-pressing adventure that didn't involve political commentary. I'm not saying "keep politics out of my space movies!" but I am saying, write it in better. (Though I did like the scene where del Toro's character pointed out how arms-dealers trade guns to both sides of the conflict. More of that, less of space-PETA). I liked Rose as a character, but yeah, her subplot was the weak link of this movie. Leia escaping death in the beginning of the movie rubs me the wrong way, specifically because she did so by using the Force to move inside the ship after being sucked out due to a hull-breach. (That same scene saw us saying goodbye to Admiral Ackbar. Goodbye, you magnificent Calamari, may your afterlife be trap-free). I've always liked the vagueness of Leia's Force-sensitivity; that she can sense the wellbeing of people dear to her I can buy with no issues, but I feel it's a bit too far to have her levitate through space. To me it seemed like the purpose of the scene was to have her incapacitated for the bigger part of the film, and I feel they could've done that in a less over-the-top way. That was the things that annoyed me the most. My general feeling is that there's a lot more substance to this movie than TFA (which I liked) and that they made some developments that I find suprising and intriguing. I have no earthly idea how ep. IX will turn out and I like it.
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Just saw it. Pretty visually, and with good world design, but it is mostly just a community designed container for nostalgia. What's with the out of place humor? What was the point of Rose's and Finn's journey to the casino and then hacking? Ultimately pointless except so Finn could kill chrome dome. What was the point of Rose hating the rich war criminals? "There is good, and bad, and then there is amoral scumbags???" Whats the message here. Why couldn't admiral suicide lady just tell Poe the plan and about the secret super defense moon base? Can anyone tell me a single character development that happened? Finn has something going on with Rose, Rey is slightly more confident in her abilities, Kylo now in charge of the order. Luke confronts his past which was... something, but with no clear thread, no nice bow to his death. I just could not find anything that resonated with me. I don't think i'll be watching the finale in cinema. White Rock fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Dec 14, 2017 02:29
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I had heaps of fun and will be watching it again. I love Star Wars!
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23 1/2 hours until I see this. Buhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Watching it again tomorrow.
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Gonz posted:23 1/2 hours until I see this. Buhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. same. gently caress it sounds so good.
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BigglesSWE posted:Watching it again tomorrow. I'll be seeing it again for a family birthday on the 23rd, I'm pretty excited to see it a second time.
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Just seen it. Problems: WAY too long with too many threads. The story felt like it was over by the time they got to the salt planet. Nothing interesting for Finn to do except filling his quota of a dumb one-liner that doesn't fit at all. Not sure what the point of Luke force projecting himself into that fight was when he was just gonna fade away in the next scene. Good things: Ugly Yoda puppet. edit: If they sell leaky medical suit Finn fountain ornaments, add that to 'good things'. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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the best thing about this movie - porgs good stuff about this movie - kylo ren being a moody cuck - hux being a little cuck - yoda - rey and kylo fighting the guards - those nun things on the island that rey fucks with what the gently caress moments - leia going superman in space really poo poo stuff about this movie - snoke - reys parents - rose - that casino poo poo - luke dying - that dumb rear end kid at the end, that whole final sequence felt really out of place and un-needed - maz in this film was also fuckin dumb criminal things about this movie - chewie not getting to eat his roast porg Looke fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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