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That first one yea I am on board with, they just shouldn't have had her get blowed up. Reys parents though I am totally on board for them being nobody garbage people. Another Luke Skywalker son-of-the-powerful-baddy or other trope would be boring and would fall under the "repeating old movies" poo poo that everyone seems to complain about.
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Rey’s parents absolutely owned Leia being that good at the Force all of a sudden was probably the moment I liked the least yeah but I can get over it. I really can’t figure out who’s idea that would have been. Mentioned it in the other thread but man I’m really expecting a lot of diehard (older?) SW fans to get annoyed at some of the jokes and tone. Stuff like the shoulder brush, I can see people thinking is too irreverent and doesn’t work for the franchise. But I loved it all so gently caress em!!!!
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Dec 14, 2017 04:36
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Jokes were fine and enjoyable. On leaving the cinema I wasn't sure about the film, but after having some time to reflect it was actually pretty good. Just different to what I was expecting. Edit: didn't realise that when yoda said rey had everything she needed, he literally meant she stole the books Looke fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Dec 14, 2017 04:41
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In the end clip with the kids, does he force-snap the broom to his hand?
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Dec 14, 2017 04:50
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As simple and derivative as the last movie was, I think it was a lot better at showcasing the new cast than this. I think I care more about Ray and Finn than the overall plot in this new series, so I'm not really sure that 8 is an improvement.
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Dec 14, 2017 04:52
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Total Meatlove posted:In the end clip with the kids, does he force-snap the broom to his hand? Yeah and he has Rose’s
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Dec 14, 2017 04:53
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As poo poo as the prequel trilogy was, Palpatine’s machinations and arc make him a way better villain than anyone in the new trilogy (provided you just think about it in retrospect and don’t actually watch the prequels). I loved TLJ and I’m all for upending expectations but an angry child making bad decisions being in charge of the Empire doesn’t make for the most imposing opposition. There isn’t much of a hook for the third movie, It seems to me like everything was mostly resolved. I thought the movie was going to end when everything was going to poo poo, like in Empire. The 2nd movie in a trilogy is meant to be the darkest for a reason. This feels way more like a setup for a new prequel/KOTOR style universe so they can make games and toys and an MMORPG (which is obviously what is going to happen). I predict a time skip for ep9, open on Leia’s funeral, there’s already a new Jedi order and Kylo has a bunch of Knights of Ren, galaxy is split down the middle and YOU can be a part of it in the tie-in VR online universe.
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Dec 14, 2017 04:58
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While force projected Luke was cool and a really fun twist. I was wishing for him to have force lifted his X-Wing out of the ocean, fixed it up and swoop in at the end help out. Maybe fire some torpedoes down the barrel of that super weapon. Also, was it ever explained in the other movies that jumping to light speed at close range has that effect? Was expecting her to jump INSIDE Snoke's ship and gently caress it up that way. Would've looked cooler i thought.
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Dec 14, 2017 04:58
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Forum Joe posted:Also, CGI Yoda is bad and the dissonance removed me from the film (just like Tarkin in Rogue One). Pretty sure he was a puppet, with CGI additions. I'm sure I saw "Yoda puppeteers" mentioned in the credits. The whole thing with the books was very subtle and I liked it. Luke going to burn the books and hesitating, Yoda taking the decision out of his hands and thereby showing him that he would still be willing to run into the flames to save them, only to show at the end that Rey had already taken them. Nicely done.
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Hamill’s facial expression during that “looking down at Ben” flashback bit is absolutely incredible Seriously, Hamill, my man, where did this come from
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Dec 14, 2017 05:01
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Okay, so the hyperspace suicide scene? Holy poo poo. Actually, the cinematography in the entire film is beautiful.
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Dec 14, 2017 05:04
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Indra posted:Would've looked cooler i thought. Eh. The silent warp ripple thing was pretty much the best visual. That just made me remember something. Shouldn't Rose's sister have been sucked right out of her bomber when the hatches were open? E: Cap Phasma was still a pile of nothing. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Dec 14, 2017 05:04
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It's pretty bizarre that they bring maz back in this movie at all. If the plan is to shuck waste of space botched characters she should definitely be high on the list
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Dec 14, 2017 05:23
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Okay, so that Leia scene is going to be the thing that turns lots of people off the film, it was REALLY jarring and easily the worst thing the film did. That said, I loving loved that film. There was so much awesome stuff happening! Some stand out moments include, the hyper drive ramming scene (700 jaws dropped in unison), The Yoda Puppet Scene, The entire battle after snoke bites it, The Millenium falcon intervention and flying through the crystal canyon (the music in that scene especially, just distilled star wars), Luke receiving the lightsaber, the porgs, Luke confronting the first order invasion... There is too much awesome stuff that happened in that film, I think if i dont stop there I will just list the majority of events. Also, I really appreciated that Luke became one with the force at the end. While I really loved having him in this film, I am glad that they showed restraint and ended his story at this point. It was by no means perfect, there is quite a few things I would have changed but overall I am very very pleased.
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Dec 14, 2017 05:26
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I thought Maz's scene was funny. Just too bad it introduced the most needless stretch of the movie.
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Just got back, it was ok, just OK, lots of great visuals, the Rey and Kylo scenes were the best things in the film, as was Snoke though I hated the fact that essentially they just had a big bad scary sith just to have one, they just made Palpatine 2.0 except Oh he's uglier and is way better with the force guys watch out. Humour was way too much, like I really like the humour in star wars, and there's a way to do it well, Bb8 giving the thumbs up in the last film for example but when you are trying to hit a punchline every other scene it feels like you really wanted to make a marvel movie. It felt really out of place at times too, like when snoke intercepts the lightsaber and hits Rey in the back of the head, yea it got a laugh but it took away the fear and dread I'm that scene. Or when her and kylo are seeing each other through the force and she's like "um could you put on a robe or some thing? " and then follows that up by screaming at him over why he killed his dad. Leia using the force I'm OK with to a degree, because honestly if Rey can do all she can and she really is a nobody then of course Leia, a Skywalker, can put herself gently through space even if it did look goofy. Her not dying is weird and I feel we will see a Leia shaped hole in the third film where they planned to have her around for scenes with her son. Don't put Poe in a fighter again. All his scenes in space feel devoid of tension and like he's a main character in a computer game able to take on Star Destroyers single handedly. I liked him as the mutineering commander we will rally those around and will do whatever he can to win, he's a great actor just get him out of an X wing. Finn sub plot felt long and a bit out of place. I like his ongoing thing with Phasma, well I liked it. Why she only got 10 minutes or so total screen time in the whole franchise I don't know but if you're going to kill off Snoke why not keep an iconic bad guy around for the third film? Give her more to do. Also i like Rose just please don't reduce her to a Finn love interest for the third movie, please. Lukes death was....odd. I liked why he died, the fact that he sacrificed himself to buy time but then again no not really because why did he die? Why not just project himself then vanish and wake up back on the island exhausted after tricking Kylo? What killed him? The effort? Hey if he's going there to die have a scene where he raises the xwing and flies there himself. The hyperspace ship destroying the fleet looked cool but that while premise where they have to chase them because they can't catch up was stupid as gently caress. Like send ONE STAR DESTROYER ahead, jump in front of them, radio any other ships in the drat EMPIRE to intercept them. That whole thing was contrived in the worst way. I don't know how to feel about this film, there were so many times during scenes where I questioned the moments as they were happening or rolled my eyes which I didn't do during TFA, but there were were parts I really liked: the performances, everything to do with Rey and Kylo, Yoda and Luke, Hux being an absolute idiot and the visuals of course. I'm curious where they go from here, I'm not so hot for the setup for the next film. Kylo doesn't make a good arch villain, unless you time skip a few years and show him now fully fallen and ruthless Ala Darth Vader maybe. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Dec 14, 2017 05:35
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I really like that all the casino stuff ends up pointless, tbh. It adds to the feeling of hopelessness that permeates a lot of the movie. You gotta remember that the First Order already basically “won” before this movie begins - they decimated the Republic government in TFA, and the opening text states that they’ve essentially taken over the galaxy. The Resistance is already a pretty small group when we begin the movie, and then gets whittled down to almost nothing. It’s all about the death of the spark that Leia talks about right before Luke shows up. Having Finn and Rose get through so much only for DJ to betray them anyway, to me, fits really well with this.
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I don't love that JJ Abrams is back for the last film but honestly I'd rather have him back now after seeing this. Like my one major beef with TFA was the fact it felt very recycled, using too much nostalgia to play things safe but the third movie shouldn't suffer that problem. TFA just felt more tight I guess, it didn't seem to have side plots that you could cut and save a good half an hour and still have a good movie like this one. But nothing Rian Johnson did with this movie made me wish he was coming back. A lot of it felt like someone gave Josh Whedon the script and asked him to pepper in some humour now and again. Maybe that's also Rian Johnson's style though I don't know much about his work.
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Dec 14, 2017 05:55
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Escobarbarian posted:I really like that all the casino stuff ends up pointless, tbh. It adds to the feeling of hopelessness that permeates a lot of the movie.
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This film is really not great. I let the trailers give me hope and this film just quashed it. And yet it is probably the best thing that could be built on TFA's horrible foundations. I think if Rian Johnson had been behind the whole trilogy, it might've been a much stronger offering. TLJ is hamstrung by needing to spend so long sticking to what TFA built up, only to disregard it. I also wouldn't count on Episode 9 being an ending to this story. So... Quip, quip, hope. Hope-hope, quip. Quip, hope, quip. I guess this is the future of entertainment given that Disney seems to be buying everything up and liberally smearing the Marvel formula all over it. Good parts: Adam Driver's fantastic performance. Hamill smashes his stuff, too. The connection between Rey and Kylo. Really, their whole plot is quite good, but it's mostly about Kylo -- Rey is just a foil who helps enable it. Rey and Luke on the Jedi planet -- although I think they could've done more with that. Kylo offing Snoke. It's just about the best thing you can do with Snoke's character. The direction, the cinematography -- some of the shots are fantastic, such as the Super Star Destroyer getting annihilated. The fight scene with Rey, Ren and the guards. The brief duel between Phasma and Finn. Making the reading of the prequels that the Jedi were arrogant, blind fools into canon. I liked that the extras and such were all quite diverse. The bad Opening with a 'gets his name wrong deliberately' joke into a 'call holding' joke into a 'your mother' joke. The opening space battle lacked tension. If you wanted to work in the General Hugs line, have Poe use it on his wingmen. Smash everything to a vaguely-OT position as quickly as possible. First Order dominant, Republic gone, plucky band of Resistance who are already being called The Rebels again. The humor. Good lord, the forced humor. When the movie let some moments land, they were quite funny. (Kylo slamming Hux and the driver just going 'yes, sir'). It wasn't quite at what I consider Marvel levels but there were certain points where it felt like it was coming close. The bit where Snoke clonks Rey with the lightsaber should've been cut. Finn's whole plot -- what did he accomplish except for some weird thing to get him on the Supremacy? It is a plot to give him something to do in the film but none one to have anything to do with the story. It is utterly irrelevant. The whole film in general has too much going on. His whole 'nice guy' thing trying to get Rose's amulet back was weird. DJ the hacker. Canto Bight in general. These guys are bad! They make money off war, and they abuse children and animals! Rose. Again, boring. What does she do except save Finn at the end? I would have preferred her bomber crew sister to be a character. Laura Dern's character. Fun to watch, great performance, but again, what? Like the whole Finn and Rose on the Casino Planet plot, there's a lot of wheels turning in this film that don't actually result in anything. Leia gets knocked out so there's a leadership crisis but then Leia is back. And now she's not going to be in the next film. In fact, the whole 'chase' part. It was like watching someone try to ape Battlestar Galactica's 33... just very slowly. Like it or not, there's little tension in 'We only have x amount of hours of fuel left!' The final shot. That would've made much more sense in the final film of this trilogy, not midway. Leia flying through space. Hux remains weirdly pointless. A lot of the alien designs feel very similar. Wide set eyes, snout, tough leathery skin. Canto Bight is the second time now where the Sequel Trilogy hasn't managed to capture the feel of walking into Mos Eisley's cantina and seeing all those weird and crazy aliens. It feels strange to not see any of the legacy species from the OT or PT. The flatout incomprehensible and/or weird nitpicks: It might be a result of Carrie Fisher's unfortunate passing, but a lot of the stuff where they would be like 'what would Leia say or do' felt off. 'Dropping' bombs in space. 'Arcing' lasers in space. I can accept turbolasers having range, but arcing them like artillery shells? "Battering ram cannon". Darksaber? Rey's parents. Watch them possibly retcon this under the guise of 'Ren was lying'. Why include Maz at all? And why do it with her in the middle of some battle? Phasma shows up just to die. Rey gets a bit of an edge, but she remains this just weird not-quite-a-character. Better than she was in TFA, but not by much. Speaking Rey, I think the film would've been stronger had she not taken the books. What's she going to do, restart the Jedi Order but do it right this time? Borrowing scenes and ideas from ESB and ROTJ but handling them poorly. For example, Rey in the hall of mirrors is basically Luke in the tree. But this time Rey has a voice-over explaining it. I remain convinced they are on a path to rebooting the prequel trilogy. That might even be Rian's new thing. What Kurzon said directly above. "It's so subversive, haha!" No, it's just bad. The prequels were subversive, making you rethink everything you thought you knew, made you see characters in a different light. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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I had a feeling that Benicio really was their thief but he gave away his pin in a deleted scene.
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So has anyone who spoiled the movie for themselves seen the movie yet? I spoiled myself on accident, and am worried I'm gonna hate it, because man, those spoilers did NOT sell this movie.
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Dec 14, 2017 06:04
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Kithkar posted:My one point of contention for all the people pissed about snoke getting killed like a chump on the grounds that the books are hyping him up, as far as I am aware none of those things explicitly make that presence in the unknown regions out to be snoke. Sure, you can say it’s implied but even that is still technically filling in the gaps. Could still become a factor as whiny kylo looks for more power. Based on what I saw in the Visual Dictionary leaks, they implicitly hype him up in a few ways. His head is present on the logo of the First Jedi Order symbol. First Jedi Order = First Order. Snoke is linked to some planet which was only ever mentioned in the Plaguius novel, or something? To borrow the words of Mass Effect 3: endless speculation for everyone. Hiro Protagonist posted:So has anyone who spoiled the movie for themselves seen the movie yet? I spoiled myself on accident, and am worried I'm gonna hate it, because man, those spoilers did NOT sell this movie. I just got back from it. It is, as Lucas himself said, a well-made movie. Direction and cinematography are solid and even fantastic at points. Some great performances. It's probably the best sequel to TFA one could ask for in the current media climate. But it's still a sequel to TFA and it's still a film made in that current climate.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I had a feeling that Benicio really was their thief but he gave away his pin in a deleted scene. Yeah i got that feeling as well. Might've given it away to pay of a debt, or just had it stolen by tux wearing guys henchmen.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So has anyone who spoiled the movie for themselves seen the movie yet? I spoiled myself on accident, and am worried I'm gonna hate it, because man, those spoilers did NOT sell this movie. tbh the spoilers made me actually excited to go see this after the opening week(s) rush dies down.
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esperterra posted:tbh the spoilers made me actually excited to go see this after the opening week(s) rush dies down.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Fair enough, I guess I was someone who wanted midnight tickets and am less excited now. I don't know, I think it's the Snoke thing feeling like it will be super dumb and the other stuff sounds so weird that I don't know if it will even seem like Star Wars. I've always like the internal consistency of Star Wars, if that makes sense. The Snoke stuff is fine, really. Like, for what it is, given that they had to do something with Snoke and Ren and Rey. The worst part of it is this weird little joke with Rey's saber that absolutely defuses any hope of tension. I didn't like that he felt like an extended reference to the ROTJ throne room confrontation scene, however, right up to repeating lines that Palpatine said.
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This just reinforces the fact that Paul Saltines is superior to Bargain Bin Dr. Peyton Westlake from Outer Space.
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Also, what is with this film and blue sabers? Anakin's saber gets smashed during the Snoke confrontation but Luke is 'holding' it at the end. Why not green, given that it was Luke's color and probably symbolised him become a better brand of Jedi? I'm not going to say why didn't Ren recognise that Luke was holding the saber that had been destroyed because Ren was basically insanely furious at that point but...
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Teenage Fansub posted:Not sure what the point of Luke force projecting himself into that fight was when he was just gonna fade away in the next scene.
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What a piece of poo poo movie. Did it have a director or was it just a few cool scenes that the committee wanted in and no one had the guts to cut out? All slapped together with just nonsense. What is the tone of this? What the hell is the plot? I didn't like that JJ was doing the last movie but at least they are hiring a director.
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Dec 14, 2017 07:51
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Lampsacus posted:He was biding time. I mean instead of actually being there. I guess he wanted to die on Frog Nun Island  Good thing Leia didn't keep the fake space dice.
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Teenage Fansub posted:I mean instead of actually being there. I guess he wanted to die on Frog Nun Island
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Luke should've definitely been at the final fight in the flesh. I mean, if we're going to put 'can appear anywhere in the galaxy' into canon then, really, is it that hard to believe that he could get there in the flesh, with the X-Wing or otherwise? Rey actually having kept the books at the end is weird, particularly given Luke pointing out the prequel history and Yoda saying they weren't interesting. What's the deal there?
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I'm about to do my second rewatch, anything I should keep an eye out for? I particularly love prequel references but they seem pretty stint in this movie. TFA had podracer flags, etc. I guess the prequel references here are: -r2's holo of leia referencing the clone wars -luke's "the old jedi order were full of hubris!" spiel ???
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FiftySeven posted:The Millenium falcon intervention and flying through the crystal canyon (the music in that scene especially, just distilled star wars That was the Tie Fighter attack theme from the original movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzU9UkVL1QA&t=114s
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Lampsacus posted:I'm about to do my second rewatch, anything I should keep an eye out for? The really goofy bit with Snoke's guards where one of them is charging at Ren and he sticks his saber into the ground (???) and then the Guard swings low at Ren's saber and not his exposed back (????)
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Lampsacus posted:I'm about to do my second rewatch, anything I should keep an eye out for? There are hidden Porgs with hairstyles and markings matching the mogwais from Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Try to spot them all.
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Lampsacus posted:So his invincibility could bide them more time. Milky Moor posted:Luke should've definitely been at the final fight in the flesh. I mean, if we're going to put 'can appear anywhere in the galaxy' into canon then, really, is it that hard to believe that he could get there in the flesh, with the X-Wing or otherwise? Agreed. It's a really weird "new" Force power to just pull into existence. Like can any Jedi/Sith do this? Why can it hold solid objects? Did those solid objects teleport through space in order to get where the hologram needed to be?? I think someone earlier said the HoloLuke gave Leia some dice or something? How? Did that poo poo just materialize? Like Yoda blowing something up in the alive physical world makes a LITTLE sense because he's Yoda he was already insanely powerful to begin with. But now this just raises questions, really kind of dumb ones instead of asking "Where does the 11 person Resistance go from here?", "Where are the Knights of Ren", "Will Phasma appear again to get jobbed to Finn?", From what people in this thread have said so far it sounds like they really didn't have anything for Finn, and Poe to do at all in this movie and just kinda shoehorned something so they'd be in it.
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