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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

jony neuemonic posted:

nbsd was right: no matter how good c# is, it doesn't make up for how bad windows shops are.

jfc.

Was expecting this to be a MALE SHOEGAZE post

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jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

gonadic io posted:

Was expecting this to be a MALE SHOEGAZE post

give it time.

# ? Dec 13, 2017 16:17

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

i cant imagine how hard it is to get anything done in a windows shop

# ? Dec 13, 2017 16:37

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
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what makes windows shops so bad? genuinely curious

i'm not much involved in windows stuff except for a mobile app built in xamarin, which i don't hate (much). so far my biggest problem is with team foundation, cuz 1) vs constantly drops the server connection and 2) its only merge strategy appears to be giving up

# ? Dec 13, 2017 17:09

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

DaTroof posted:

what makes windows shops so bad? genuinely curious

small sample size so ymmv but:

- a general attitude that Microsoft Knows Best, real hard to get people on-board with anything that wasn't personally handed down from ~~Ballmer~~ Nadella.
- IT departments that treat computers as too darn scary for anyone else. i came in after the developers here managed to get permission to install developer tools, thank god, but it was apparently a huge fight.
- some of the gnarliest legacy code imaginable. every company more than a few years old has legacy code, but microsoft's old stuff is godawful. i haven't seen a windows shop yet that doesn't have a big vb hairball running at its core.
- windows is still a second-class citizen to most everyone outside microsoft. it's getting better, but there's still a lot of tools that don't feel quite right on windows.

# ? Dec 13, 2017 17:41

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
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DELETE CASCADE posted:

there is not. it's all a garbage fire and your instincts are right

avoid javascript and webdev in general at all costs

i knew it was bad, but i didn't expect everything i'd heard to be literally true. i thought some of it was hyperbole, but gently caress...

so what's the hot framework-of-the-day for making javascript marginally less terrible right now? that seems to be how it works in js, pick whatever framework is the new hotness, then be disappointed in entirely different ways compared to yesterday's garbage

# ? Dec 13, 2017 18:10

minato: Jun 7, 2004; cutty cain't hang, say 7-up.; Taco Defender

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

so what's the hot framework-of-the-day for making javascript marginally less terrible right now? that seems to be how it works in js, pick whatever framework is the new hotness, then be disappointed in entirely different ways compared to yesterday's garbage

https://stateofjs.com/2017/introduction/ is this year's survey on what people are using for frontend, backend, state management, testing, utilities, etc. There was a bunch of useful stuff in there that I wasn't even aware of.

I'm only do casual webdev so I don't want to invest a lot of time deciding between tech. I generally pick the one that's the most-used, has good support (e.g. backed by a big company and lots of StackOverflow threads), and has been around for a while.

# ? Dec 13, 2017 18:30

necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

i knew it was bad, but i didn't expect everything i'd heard to be literally true. i thought some of it was hyperbole, but gently caress...

so what's the hot framework-of-the-day for making javascript marginally less terrible right now? that seems to be how it works in js, pick whatever framework is the new hotness, then be disappointed in entirely different ways compared to yesterday's garbage

none of the poo poo slung at javascript is hyperbole, its all really bad (because its a bad language).

# ? Dec 13, 2017 19:03

Eleeleth: Jun 21, 2009; Damn, that is one suave eel.

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

i knew it was bad, but i didn't expect everything i'd heard to be literally true. i thought some of it was hyperbole, but gently caress...

so what's the hot framework-of-the-day for making javascript marginally less terrible right now? that seems to be how it works in js, pick whatever framework is the new hotness, then be disappointed in entirely different ways compared to yesterday's garbage

It's not really a framework, but using Typescript goes a good way towards making JS less-atrocious.

# ? Dec 13, 2017 19:24

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

minato posted:

https://stateofjs.com/2017/introduction/ is this year's survey on what people are using for frontend, backend, state management, testing, utilities, etc. There was a bunch of useful stuff in there that I wasn't even aware of.

why is npm shuffled in with webpack and gulp???

# ? Dec 13, 2017 19:27

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

so last time i posted in this thread i mentioned i would have to write a photoshop plugin and that the first api i found was a native one which, among other things, mentioned something called symantec c++ which apparently might have been a thing that existed in this timeline at some point in the past, present, or possibly some dystopian future. then i found a javascript based api, and for the first time in my life i was happy to hear the word javascript

this was a month ago

in the past month, i've slowly realized that i hate everything about webdev. i mean, i already knew that, but most of my experience largely involved writing some simple tools in php so that non-technical women and/or children, and even manchildren, would be able to use them. but this is so much worse than anything else i've ever had to deal with before. i'm actively longing for my days of writing low level cross platform windows/linux networking, ipc, and synchronization code. at least i had actual documentation back then. at least i had functions that told me what they wanted, and what they'd give me, even if that was a void* a good chunk of the time

from my experience so far, it's my belief that by every conceivable metric, it should be impossible to write more than 50 or so lines of javascript without being unable to use your own code, let alone build a modern website or whatnot. so i've got to ask: is there a point where javascript and its associated frameworks and tech just... clicks? there's bound to be something i'm missing here, like patterns that everyone re-uses without explicitly mentioning them, or maybe i just don't have a solid-enough grasp of the underlying concepts or... i don't know.

i'm seriously starting to think that the prototype i made in python that parsed psd files manually might have been the right approach instead of using the real photoshop api

the web is all bad and javascript is the worst of it. I would recommend using asp.net to lessen the pain, but you will still have pain.

# ? Dec 13, 2017 19:31

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
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Eleeleth posted:

It's not really a framework, but using Typescript goes a good way towards making JS less-atrocious.

that would require definition files to be provided for the apis i use. or for me to make them myself, but then i'm back to the problem of having lovely documentation and no idea what it is those functions want me to feed them, and what exactly they'll poo poo out at me afterwards

# ? Dec 13, 2017 19:33

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

Dongslayer. posted:

my data structures and algo professor got fired for covering only about thirty percent of the material. finals are next week

posting this for future reference

there's a professor at my university who is actively loving hundreds of people with this but he apparently has dirt on the administration because every complaint promptly gets dumped in a shredder

e: we legitimately spent 3 weeks on chapter 1

# ? Dec 13, 2017 20:13

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

i knew it was bad, but i didn't expect everything i'd heard to be literally true. i thought some of it was hyperbole, but gently caress...

so what's the hot framework-of-the-day for making javascript marginally less terrible right now? that seems to be how it works in js, pick whatever framework is the new hotness, then be disappointed in entirely different ways compared to yesterday's garbage

react has been the flavor of the month for about 24 months now, which is an eternity in javascript land

react is pretty much the only framework where you can crank out a large volume of webshit code and have any real confidence that you can predict what will happen when it runs

react-scripts (usually referred to as create-react-app) is a canned build system for it that covers most of the common use cases so you don't have to descend into an insane rabbit hole of babel and webpack just to get to Hello World

find a way to make TypeScript work with react-scripts. i personally use Flow instead because it's a first-party thing from the same guys who made react but it's still a bit new.

# ? Dec 13, 2017 21:43

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

our react + typescript spa is pretty ok to work with

# ? Dec 13, 2017 21:52

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

for the first time in in a while i am completely perplexed why this sql query i wrote is not getting me the dataset i want

# ? Dec 13, 2017 21:57

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
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Sapozhnik posted:

react has been the flavor of the month for about 24 months now, which is an eternity in javascript land

react is pretty much the only framework where you can crank out a large volume of webshit code and have any real confidence that you can predict what will happen when it runs

react-scripts (usually referred to as create-react-app) is a canned build system for it that covers most of the common use cases so you don't have to descend into an insane rabbit hole of babel and webpack just to get to Hello World

find a way to make TypeScript work with react-scripts. i personally use Flow instead because it's a first-party thing from the same guys who made react but it's still a bit new.

awesome, i chose react after looking at that link posted earlier!

and i was exactly at the babel rabbit hole part, having spent most of the afternoon punching random commands i found around the web into npm and trying to figure out what the hell a module loader is and... well you get the idea

# ? Dec 13, 2017 22:07

DELETE CASCADE: Oct 25, 2017; i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003

HoboMan posted:

for the first time in in a while i am completely perplexed why this sql query i wrote is not getting me the dataset i want

post the query and the schema

# ? Dec 13, 2017 22:13

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

DELETE CASCADE posted:

post the query and the schema

i am not going to type the creeping horror that is this query and our schema on my phone

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

HoboMan posted:

i am not going to type the creeping horror that is this query and our schema on my phone

take a photo

# ? Dec 13, 2017 22:28

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

sorry if you wanted to see horrifying sql, but i figured it out

the final product uses temp tables, subqueries, and dynamic sql

# ? Dec 13, 2017 23:30

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
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seems like standard sql to me

in react news, react-scripts did make it amazingly simple and i was able to get the tree view component i want to use up and running in minutes, which is pretty much a miracle. more importantly, i was able to add an input field inside a node and it just worked. like, i added an <input> to the jsx and a text field appeared in my tree without having to setup some event callback or pasting some code from stackoverflow or summoning the anti-christ. it doesn't seem like much, but my standards have been significantly lowered over the past weeks so that adding an html tag that has existed since the year of our lord nineteen hundred and ninety three or so to an existing control isn't something i take for granted anymore

now i just need to figure out how to shove react up photoshop's diseased rear end in a top hat and i'll be able to start on what i set out to do weeks ago. i'm sure this is gonna be a smooth and enjoyable process for everyone involved

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

how to explain to a coworker who has never used git before the entire idea behind code review/pull requests/branching etc because they just roll eyes and moan about necessity of option to "lock out files so other person can not work on thing i work on"

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tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

cinci zoo sniper posted:

how to explain to a coworker who has never used git before the entire idea behind code review/pull requests/branching etc because they just roll eyes and moan about necessity of option to "lock out files so other person can not work on thing i work on"

instead of taking out fine grained locks you work off a complete snapshot and then apply changes

locking will prevent editing conflicts, but doesn't enforce a history

with snapshots + changes, you get a nice timeline, which makes undoing changes easy

unfortunately git is a terrible piece of software

# ? Dec 14, 2017 09:51

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

now i just need to figure out how to shove react up photoshop's diseased rear end in a top hat and i'll be able to start on what i set out to do weeks ago. i'm sure this is gonna be a smooth and enjoyable process for everyone involved

i know you can use all the modern javascript niceties (like modules and typescript), compile and minify that into an ES5 blob that only exposes a single global entry point, because i've done it. that should work with "everything". i used it with kettle, but i imagine it should work with photoshop too

# ? Dec 14, 2017 09:52

NihilCredo: Jun 6, 2011; iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

that would require definition files to be provided for the apis i use. or for me to make them myself, but then i'm back to the problem of having lovely documentation and no idea what it is those functions want me to feed them, and what exactly they'll poo poo out at me afterwards

https://github.com/hansottowirtz/adobe-typescript-generator

https://github.com/felixSchl/photoshop.d.ts

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2353067

any of these links helpful?

# ? Dec 14, 2017 10:07

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

tef posted:

instead of taking out fine grained locks you work off a complete snapshot and then apply changes

locking will prevent editing conflicts, but doesn't enforce a history

with snapshots + changes, you get a nice timeline, which makes undoing changes easy

unfortunately git is a terrible piece of software

ty, this worked with minor alterations

# ? Dec 14, 2017 10:28

Deep Dish Fuckfest: Sep 6, 2006; Advanced
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NihilCredo posted:

https://github.com/hansottowirtz/adobe-typescript-generator

https://github.com/felixSchl/photoshop.d.ts

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2353067

any of these links helpful?

holy poo poo, yes they are

i'd found some incomplete typescript definition files in the official adobe samples and sort of assumed no one had done it, but i guess i was wrong!

oh and i've found someone who got react into photoshop so that's that solved to, probably. anyhow, thanks terrible programmers. thtp

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

cinci zoo sniper posted:

how to explain to a coworker who has never used git before the entire idea behind code review/pull requests/branching etc because they just roll eyes and moan about necessity of option to "lock out files so other person can not work on thing i work on"

Locks are bad but git is bad too

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pangstrom: Jan 25, 2003; Wedge Regret

Is there a better alternative to git?

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

pangstrom posted:

Is there a better alternative to git?

everytging is bad but i guess i wasted less time futzing with commit history using stuff that is not git so i'm going to say anything

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Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

pangstrom posted:

Is there a better alternative to git?

regardless of your opinion of git, absolutely not

everything else is The Worst

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jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

pangstrom posted:

Is there a better alternative to git?

there literally is not

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jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

i am very bad at computer, and git is the only vcs where all of my fuckups were reversible

# ? Dec 14, 2017 17:48

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
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pangstrom posted:

Is there a better alternative to git?

having used git, svn, and tfs, ime git is by far the least painful

# ? Dec 14, 2017 17:51

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

supposedly mercurial is better but enjoy being on an island that nobody else other than facebook interacts with

everybody uses git, you're stuck with it

sorry

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Smoke_Max: Sep 7, 2011

in my dreams, darcs is still the best vcs

# ? Dec 14, 2017 17:59

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

Sapozhnik posted:

supposedly mercurial is better but enjoy being on an island that nobody else other than facebook interacts with

everybody uses git, you're stuck with it

sorry

yep. mercurial is better but not by enough to give up being able to easily google your fuckups.

# ? Dec 14, 2017 17:59

pangstrom: Jan 25, 2003; Wedge Regret

I like git (or at least github), haven't had any major issues but other than using svn until 5-ish years ago I don't have any other experiences and I am an "underpowered" user or whatever. Version control stuff not being flawless seems like a recipe for horror stories, though, I just haven't experienced any of them.

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

someone saying typesystems are bad posted:

its easier to not aim at your foot than design guns that don't point down

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