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I'll be damned if this movie doesn't clean up most of The Force Awakens' messes (even if it creates a few new ones itself)
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Ready for a hot take, and me being critical of a Star Wars film? Here we go! the entire Canto Bight section could have been excised without too much loss of plot. I liked the moments between Finn and Rose, and having the underclass visible and in front of both characters and audience absolutely helped sell the message, but overall I kinda found that bit to be a strange meander especially given the ultimate fate of DJ as a character. Yeah it was by no means a bad sequence. But Maz's cameo seemed forced, DJ was a bit confusingly presented, and they could have gotten captured because Phasma set a guard on the important tracker, not because they got sold out by a character they just met. Just have Finn's old maintenance codes work to get them inside, spend a bit more time on the flagship with Finn and Rose so we don't lose that character development, and boom
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jivjov posted:Ready for a hot take, and me being critical of a Star Wars film? Here we go! I said the exact same thing about 10 posts up, so it’s now barely Luke-warm at best. :P
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The_Doctor posted:I said the exact same thing about 10 posts up, so it’s now barely Luke-warm at best. :P Heh, I haven't been mousing over spoiler bars out of force of habit at this point. My bad.
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Dec 15, 2017 05:36
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i saw it and it was a very weird movie. probably gonna be divisive though. canto bight may have been a pretty well useless scene, but the setting was gorgeous and the aesthetic was strong. i definitely want to fire up scum and villainy now and run a game of heists set there.
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Spacebump posted:One of my friends that loves "get predictions right" walks up to me yesterday and says I bet Luke dies. I knew he looked it up at that moment and assumed it would happen. Holdo and Poe's thing is flat out weird. Holdo being an Admiral is a very odd choice. Why doesn't she mention to Poe, when he's in full song and dance WE HAVE NO GUNS OR SHIELDS ON THOSE THINGS, that the transports will be fine because they're cloaked? The point the film keeps trying to make, that Poe is this hothead who needs to slow down, is severely undercut when Holdo seems like she has no idea what she's doing and is deliberately withholding information (just as its undercut in the dreadnaught scene by having the bombers there at all). It's unclear why she's an Admiral and not, say, someone with a more political focus. So much of the pursuit plot feels like a weird take on Battlestar Galactica. This leads into the next problem. How does DJ know to tell the FO to scan for cloaked ships when Poe doesn't know? Poe's whole coup is predicated on him not knowing. Poe is the only one Finn and Rose have been in contact with. DJ can't possibly know.
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Dec 15, 2017 05:56
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That sequence at the beginning with the World War 2 bombers is so loving good
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Dec 15, 2017 06:03
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The Canto Bight scene tied directly into the two other main themes of the movie about gently caress the baby boomers and that the force/hope is available to all, even the daughter of junkets and stable boys. Also people complaining that if Holdo had just told Poe the plan everything would have worked are confusing it as a plot hole. It's the entire point, she didn't trust him when she should have.
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Hey all, this is probably a repeat question but Im trying to avoid any and all spoilers and reading this thread is a danger to that, but could any of this movie be characterized as just being the original star wars trilogy being rehashed? Im hoping not but want confirmation
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Milky Moor posted:Holdo and Poe's thing is flat out weird. Holdo being an Admiral is a very odd choice. Why doesn't she mention to Poe, when he's in full song and dance WE HAVE NO GUNS OR SHIELDS ON THOSE THINGS, that the transports will be fine because they're cloaked? The point the film keeps trying to make, that Poe is this hothead who needs to slow down, is severely undercut when Holdo seems like she has no idea what she's doing and is deliberately withholding information (just as its undercut in the dreadnaught scene by having the bombers there at all). It's unclear why she's an Admiral and not, say, someone with a more political focus. So much of the pursuit plot feels like a weird take on Battlestar Galactica Holdo loving up by not trusting Poe is not a plot hole. Also DJ heard through Bb that they were evacuating the freighter, I'm guessing it wouldn't take a master code breaker to guess they should scan the area for shuttles.
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Control Volume posted:Hey all, this is probably a repeat question but Im trying to avoid any and all spoilers and reading this thread is a danger to that, but could any of this movie be characterized as just being the original star wars trilogy being rehashed? Im hoping not but want confirmation There are more than a few eferences to Empire, but tend to be consciously subverted. There are just as many to other films such as High Noon and Jurassic Park. Thematically it's more in common with the prequels or the original film than any other.
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Dec 15, 2017 06:23
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Movie tries to cover too many ideas and maybe too many characters, and each one kinda suffers for having to compete for time.
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Irisi posted:You talking about the scene where Laura Derns' character fires the goddamn ship into hyperspace right through the First Orders' ship? Because good god, that was beautiful. The movie went silent, and you could feel everyone in the cinema holding their breath. It was absolutely stunning. Not going to lie there’s a lot of the movie I’ll probably end up not liking on second viewing but HOLY poo poo that one moment is going to carry the movie for me for a long time. Like oh my god that was so good. Overall the movie was good? I think it had more good than bad for me and the bad was more of a “why”. It was longer than I thought it would be too. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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Dec 15, 2017 06:41
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That was a good moment, but like a lot of things it got dampened by thinking about it for more than a few seconds, like how come they don't do that all the time
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loving "Laser Sword" being spoken in a Star Wars movie is the best thing ever. Lucas must be proud.
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Dec 15, 2017 06:47
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Serf posted:i saw it and it was a very weird movie. probably gonna be divisive though. The establishing shot from that scene gave me a strong vibe of the famous night club scene from Wings, although maybe I’m giving Star Wars too much credit. The Wings shot in question: https://twitter.com/silentmoviegifs/status/776836094272737281
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Ballz posted:The establishing shot from that scene gave me a strong vibe of the famous night club scene from Wings, although maybe I’m giving Star Wars too much credit. Rian Johnson confirmed this on twitter and posted the same scene.
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It served no purpose, but I loved Casino Planet all the same. Even the gag with the drunk alien gambler mistaking BB-8 for a slot machine. Finn's reaction is interesting considering he's a former slave-soldier of the First Order; at first he's taken in by the legitimately pretty and stylish veneer, but once he realises it's built on slavery, exploitation and blood money, he takes even more joy in causing as much damage as possible on his way out.
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Overall I really liked the film but it didn't offer any real surprises. Overall though I thought it was great except The casino bit and Benicio's character betraying them and the whole casino was a set up because the order knew that the rebels would try and get a splicer ? to sneak in a stop the tracking beacon? That didn't really make any sense at all
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Inescapable Duck posted:It served no purpose, but I loved Casino Planet all the same. Even the gag with the drunk alien gambler mistaking BB-8 for a slot machine. By Star Wars conventions, Finn’s birth name will turn out to be Jango Un’Chynd
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Dec 15, 2017 07:33
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Milky Moor posted:I wonder when we'll see something that acknowledges that the prequels happened, be it a character or a world. Something definitive. Otherwise, I do think they're going to just reboot them.
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Delete the whole Finn plot and this is probably a great movie. Right now it's too long and honestly mediocre.
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Loved it. Fantastic movie. Beautiful in parts and everyone was on point. Will see it and enjoy it again.
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Hollismason posted:Overall I really liked the film but it didn't offer any real surprises. Overall though I thought it was great except The casino bit and Benicio's character betraying them and the whole casino was a set up because the order knew that the rebels would try and get a splicer ? to sneak in a stop the tracking beacon? That didn't really make any sense at all No once they got caught Benicio cut a deal to get money and go free for giving up the cloaked ships
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Do people actually have buyer's remorse having watched a movie they didn't thoroughly enjoy? I didn’t pay for it but Looper made me furious at it for wasting my time.
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Lord Hydronium posted:There's two prequel characters (even played by the same actors) and two prequel worlds in Rogue One. Bail Organa and Mustafar? What're the other two? I mean things exclusively from the prequels. Those things have links in either the OT as relations of the main cast or otherwise in the general pool of lore that everyone knew about. I'm talking things like Naboo, Gungans, podracing, Qui-Gon Jinn, the Confederacy. Things that owe their existence to the prequel films first and foremost, especially things the 'hardcore fans' might throw a fit about or otherwise explicitly link the new films to the world as created by the prequels in anything but the broadest of strokes. Of all the worlds in Rogue One, it's a bit odd that Mustafar is the only one without a title card. Hearing the words Darth Sidious was a genuine shock because it felt like the first explicit link to the prequels the Disney films have had. They haven't said the prequels didn't happen but they haven't really used anything from the PT either. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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I thought it was very good. But bloated. I mean, if you get to a 2:30 runtime, you need to know there's places to make big cuts. But goddamn that's all in the beginning because the last hour or so really kicks some rear end. I don't know what that shot of Vice Admiral Laura Dern driving her ship through Snoke's ship was conceptually supposed to be, but it was stunning. Was it the view from hyperspace?
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Milky Moor posted:Bail Organa and Mustafar? What're the other two? I guess you could kinda count Mon Mothma since it's the same actress from the episode III deleted scenes, but I am also confused and wondering what the other planet is.
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Hollismason posted:The casino bit and Benicio's character betraying them and the whole casino was a set up because the order knew that the rebels would try and get a splicer ? to sneak in a stop the tracking beacon? That didn't really make any sense at all I don't think that's what happened. I think it's more like when he got busted he immediately squealed and ratted out every single ounce of the rebels' plans in exchange for a few bucks and safe passage. I didn't get the impression that he was always on the First Order's payroll or anything. Mandrel posted:I didn’t pay for it but Looper made me furious at it for wasting my time. Huh. Looper is one of the reasons I was so excited to see this film; it convinced me that Rian Johnson was a perfect choice to take the wheel on Star Wars. Why did it bother you so much? Baku fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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The MSJ posted:By Star Wars conventions, Finn’s birth name will turn out to be Jango Un’Chynd I thought he was already a Huckleberry Finn reference.
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Dec 15, 2017 08:01
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Anyone think JJ is gonna be mad that they killed off his buddy Greg Grunberg? At least I'm pretty sure he's one of the x-wing pilots that bites it in the beginning.
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Pops Mgee posted:Anyone think JJ is gonna be mad that they killed off his buddy Greg Grunberg? At least I'm pretty sure he's one of the x-wing pilots that bites it in the beginning. He can just bring him back as an alien or a porg.
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I just find it strange that the Disney films throw all manner of bones to the OT -- Nien Nunb, Ackbar, the guy who gets his arm cut off by Obi-Wan, probably more -- but there never seems to be anything from the prequels. And when we do get a location, they don't name it like they do with every other planet. Are there really people out there who might see the words MUSTAFAR and flip out?
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Haha, Admiral Ackbar gets blasted out into space and his death announced later as an afterthought. And I guess Leia's been training a bit herself. The shots of her flying back to the cruiser were wonky.
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Milky Moor posted:I just find it strange that the Disney films throw all manner of bones to the OT -- Nien Nunb, Ackbar, the guy who gets his arm cut off by Obi-Wan, probably more -- but there never seems to be anything from the prequels. And when we do get a location, they don't name it like they do with every other planet. Are there really people out there who might see the words MUSTAFAR and flip out? The argument I heard from I think Pablo Hidalgo, but maybe Edwards I can't remember, was that the Mustafar title would have ruined the surprise of Vader being in the castle or something to that effect.
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Milky Moor posted:I just find it strange that the Disney films throw all manner of bones to the OT -- Nien Nunb, Ackbar, the guy who gets his arm cut off by Obi-Wan, probably more -- but there never seems to be anything from the prequels. And when we do get a location, they don't name it like they do with every other planet. Are there really people out there who might see the words MUSTAFAR and flip out? They excised exposition from TFA to make it not seem like the politics filler people dreaded from the prequels, so yes, pretty much.
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Pops Mgee posted:The argument I heard from I think Pablo Hidalgo, but maybe Edwards I can't remember, was that the Mustafar title would have ruined the surprise of Vader being in the castle or something to that effect. Seriously? Doesn't that go right from establishing shot of an ominous lava castle to a guy prostrating himself before a tank with a torso in it? It seems like an odd thing to do for maybe ten seconds of footage. edit: And Vader being featured heavily in the trailers.
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Milky Moor posted:I just find it strange that the Disney films throw all manner of bones to the OT -- Nien Nunb, Ackbar, the guy who gets his arm cut off by Obi-Wan, probably more -- but there never seems to be anything from the prequels. And when we do get a location, they don't name it like they do with every other planet. Are there really people out there who might see the words MUSTAFAR and flip out? The prequels are utterly poisoned chalices outside of a small handful of things, like Dooku (possibly him but only because of Christopher Lee and he's dead), Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid who was reprising his small original role anyway.
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I don't think I've ever seen a film that is as good as it is bad before. The film really does feel like two mostly unrelated films stapled together. On one hand, you have the generally engaging character drama of the Rey/Kylo Ren/Luke storyline and the climax in the salt planet, which ranged from good to excellent with only a few weak spots. On the other hand, you have everything else. The plodding Rebellion storyline (so Leia, Finn, Rose, and Poe) for the first two-thirds of the film features a whole lot of weak characterization, uninteresting filler, and messy writing. My biggest complaint is probably how Finn continues to get the short end of the stick as one of the principal characters. He's by far the most interesting of the new characters conceptually (a reformed stormtrooper), especially when compared to Rey (who's like Luke) and Kylo Ren (who's like Anakin), but he's never lived up to his potential as a character. They've really sanded down whatever edges the character could have had and reduced him to a bumbling idiot whose enduring cowardice and selfishness is played for (bad) laughs, when it should be played for drama. His showdown with Phasma and attempted suicide run on the cannon both failed to elicit the reaction in me that they could have had if Finn had been written better. In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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