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Milky Moor posted:*curious glance to the first words of the title crawl* They blew up their planet Death Star rip off.
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CelticPredator posted:They blew up their planet Death Star rip off. *taps the very first words in the title crawl, facial expression growing increasingly concerned*
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Dec 16, 2017 10:03
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I don't remember what the gently caress it said so remind me because I never remember those drat things.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:23
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CelticPredator posted:I don't remember what the gently caress it said so remind me because I never remember those drat things. THE FIRST ORDER REIGNS
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Dec 16, 2017 10:24
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Hmm. Still though, they won in the last film. You can't really deny that.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:25
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Sombrerotron posted:Comments have also been made about the interminable chase sequence that carries on the general plot. I don't really like either arguing for or against things making sense within Star Wars movies, but given how essential this was to the storyline, I'm kind of annoyed by how contrived it appeared. The basic conceit (i.e. that the smaller Resistance ships could stay ahead of the larger First Order ones) is slightly absurd, if only because you'd expect half a fleet of capital ships to come equipped with enough fighters and bombers to overtake and disable a much smaller force. The catch - that the fleeing Resistance ships could only keep it up for a while - is perhaps even less convincing, because I'm pretty sure fuel limitations were never an issue before, and for some reason the First Order ships seem entirely unaffected by this. And even if I suspend my disbelief, I'm left wondering why the story had to be told in this particular way - especially because, aside from one short space fight and an admittedly visually impressive conclusion, it didn't make for the most tense and compelling cinema. Oh, and what the hell was going on with the cannons firing lobbed shots in space?? The ships work exactly like they do in the board games for Star Wars. Which I was impressed about! Fighters have a specific range ahead of the main ship and they do even say that.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:26
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Just got back. My initial impressions out the theater were positive. Lots of great moments in this movie that had me all in and will be memorable for sure. Especially with Luke. I loved how it pushed and pulled me in and out of various emotional states. Fuckin' when Artoo put up Leia's "Help me Obi-Wan" speech, I had a lump in my throat. And Leia's "death" turning me into a little bitch, only to bring me back up with her using The Force to survive like what the gently caress movie, you're tearing me a part but I love that you're doing that! Like when Snoke went out like a bitch, yes movie, I like that subversion. There were a lot of moments like that. Overall, I can say I liked it better than The Force Awakens, and I loved that movie. I liked where they went with Kylo's character, but felt they could have done a bit more with Rey. I'm satisfied with how they developed those two characters in the overarching story though. I don't feel this film needed to be as long as it was. The movie really didn't get going for me until Yoda showed up, which up until that point I was like "yeah this is alright" but nothing really grabbed me in the way The Force Awakens did right from the get go. I just wanted the story to get moving. Seeing Yoda perked me the gently caress up and I was fully engaged. Almost everything after the conversation between Yoda and Luke... yeah, that was some really good Star Wars for me. But! I wasn't really feeling how jokey jokey the movie was either, especially the bit in the beginning with Poe and Hux which I think set the tone for me; I just didn't click with a lot of the humor, like BB-8 using the casino coins as a machine gun and blowing out the barrel. Minor gripes, but they add up because there's a lot of those. I didn't really enjoy Finn's thrust through the story all that much. Just didn't feel like the character was treated the same way he was in TFA. And man, that groan inducing dialogue between him and Phasma at the end was the worst. "Chrome dome" and "Rebel Scum" had me laughing, in a bad way. I did really like Rose's character though! All her story beats were good. I can see why a lot of people might not dig this episode, but for me it was great. Dope as gently caress ending too. Couple people in my group missed the little kid grabbing the broom with The Force. Think the dude next to me did too. Too bad, that was a great final "oh poo poo" for me to cap off the film. teagone fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 10:28
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And yet Luke can take a tie fighter to Dagobah.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:29
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Taear posted:The ships work exactly like they do in the board games for Star Wars. Which I was impressed about! Fighters have a specific range ahead of the main ship and they do even say that. Well, not really. Kylo is advised to pull back because the Rebel ships are out of range of the FO capital guns and that they can't "cover him". It's nothing to do with the operational range of the fighters.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:31
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Also, I will say in the same vein that TFA covered a lot of ANH, I found the moments that reflected TESB and ROTJ in this film were good, even if contrived. I'm a sucker, I know. [edit] vvv I didn't think Finn or Poe had good, developing storylines in the film. teagone fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 10:36
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The trilogy was really hosed from jump street by TFA. Giving old characters major roles, introducing new characters each film, and cramming actual development of two of your four lead characters (Poe and Finn) into (presumably) two movies makes for a loving mess.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:47
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I really enjoyed this, fun movie, good stuff! It kept my interest, it managed to juggle the episodic-ish adventures and predicaments throughout with me being really invested in seeing what happens with Luke and all that. Pulpy fast paced space adventure, I'm glad they're making these and that they're as solid as they are. Tough to top the trilogy of course, I more look at these as their own thing, but I do want the Max Rebo legacy to be honored in some way if possible.
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Dec 16, 2017 11:28
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Milky Moor posted:Well, not really. Don't they tell him he's out of range and they "can't support him", that's what I heard.
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Dec 16, 2017 11:38
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I liked it a lot more than TFA. it was sort of a mess but at least it hit a point where I cared about what was going on. The Rey and Kylo Ren stuff was good. gently caress the haters Adam Driver is the best actor in the new trilogy and Kylo Ren is probably the most interesting character. The rest of it was a real mixed bag. Finn deserved a better subplot, that poo poo felt utterly pointless.
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Dec 16, 2017 11:44
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Popete posted:What are people's thoughts on the humor in the new movies? The exchange between Poe/Hux specifically. All the humor was on-point and pretty great. The part where an exasperated Luke fucks with Rey when she tries to grab the force was awesome. Luke in general was great and I loved that they didn't go with sacred wise man, both because that's played out and because that wouldn't be who Luke would grow up into.
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Taear posted:Don't they tell him he's out of range and they "can't support him", that's what I heard. Nope. It's explicitly "We can't cover you". The destroyers are out of range and can't provide covering fire.
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Dec 16, 2017 11:46
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I actually really appreciated Casino Planet because I feel like that was the one place the 3D really stood out. It reminded me of the Norway bit from Thor, where some unassuming field is actually the coolest thing you can do in 3D.
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Dec 16, 2017 12:20
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CelticPredator posted:Hmm. Still though, they won in the last film. You can't really deny that. lol, those goal posts tho. "Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed." They're still the dominant force in the universe and rule with an iron fist because the snake still has it's head. Blowing up the Death Star/Star Killer base only slows them down and really doesn't mean poo poo.
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Dec 16, 2017 12:46
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Even at the end of the film, with Starkiller Base collapsing around them, Snoke doesn't seem to give a single gently caress that it's been taken out. He's just like "Cool, whatever Hux, just bring me Kylo Ren so we can finish his training, peace."
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Dec 16, 2017 13:33
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It's almost like Snoke was just an obligatory sith placeholder and not a real character all along.
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Dec 16, 2017 13:51
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After sleeping on it I have to say, TLJ was fairly disappointing. The script and out of place comedy really distract from what should’ve been an easy sequel to TFA. From the Poe / Hux lame joke during a serious battle to Luke throwIng the saber over his shoulder the comedy portions are almost insulting. The dark side cave was awful. The casino planet should be fully cut. The Space Leia scene literally pulled me out of the movie and made me say “wtf?” I’m so bummed because TFA was actually really good. They gave this guy a trilogy?
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Dec 16, 2017 14:36
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veni veni veni posted:Finn deserved a better subplot, that poo poo felt utterly pointless. The net end result of his subplot was it got a buttload more of his buddies killed than if he'd done nothing
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Dec 16, 2017 14:41
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Ratios and Tendency posted:They represent the alt-right/American neo-fascists so they aren't intended to be at all "badass". They're a real threat but also a bunch of incompetent cosplaying losers. Taear posted:The ships work exactly like they do in the board games for Star Wars. Which I was impressed about! Fighters have a specific range ahead of the main ship and they do even say that. In any event, my point is that the scenario appears to rely on several artificial restrictions that have been introduced merely to enable a pursuit that drags on and on. And I'm questioning whether there was a good reason to do so in the first place. teagone posted:Just got back. My initial impressions out the theater were positive. Lots of great moments in this movie that had me all in and will be memorable for sure. Especially with Luke. I loved how it pushed and pulled me in and out of various emotional states. Fuckin' when Artoo put up Leia's "Help me Obi-Wan" speech, I had a lump in my throat. And Leia's "death" turning me into a little bitch, only to bring me back up with her using The Force to survive like what the gently caress movie, you're tearing me a part but I love that you're doing that! Like when Snoke went out like a bitch, yes movie, I like that subversion. There were a lot of moments like that. Overall, I can say I liked it better than The Force Awakens, and I loved that movie. I liked where they went with Kylo's character, but felt they could have done a bit more with Rey. I'm satisfied with how they developed those two characters in the overarching story though. Neurolimal posted:All the humor was on-point and pretty great. The part where an exasperated Luke fucks with Rey when she tries to grab the force was awesome. Luke in general was great and I loved that they didn't go with sacred wise man, both because that's played out and because that wouldn't be who Luke would grow up into. Anyway, I thought about the ending a little more, and to be honest I'm really curious how Episode 9 will end the trilogy - but maybe not in the best way. As it stands, Snoke is dead, the First Order is now run by a guy who's inexperienced and emotionally unbalanced, the Resistance is in tatters, Luke is gone, and Rey is a bit more powerful I guess and now knows (or believes) that her parents were nobodies who abandoned her. TLJ suggests that the Resistance is going to be rebuilt and the Jedi Order is going to be restored, and you could easily devote a film to that, but presumably the idea is that the First Order will be defeated at the end of Ep 9 as well and I'm not sure how you're going to fit all that in 2 to 2.5 hours. They could just jump forward in time and present us with a powerful Resistance and/or a renewed Jedi Order, and maybe also a completely matured Kylo, but that would be really lazy in my opinion. The point where TLJ ends would make sense for the final part in a trilogy (or duology, even), but as the second act in a three-part story? Hmmmm.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:50
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Samara posted:From the Poe / Hux lame joke during a serious battle to Luke throwIng the saber over his shoulder the comedy portions are almost insulting. I disagree with you entirely other than the Poe/Hux bit. Starting the film with that was...weird.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:51
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Guy licks the ground....”it’s salt” I mean wtf Johnson ?
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Dec 16, 2017 14:53
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I've never seen any of the Star War movies. I know the obvious pop culture basics but that's about it. The wife and I go to our local theatre for the two for Tuesday thing they do almost every week. Next week they have the last Jedi playing and we are both unsure if it makes sense for us to go without knowing much about the series. Would this be a decent stand alone movie or would it be 2.5 hours of us going not knowing what the gently caress is going on.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:53
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The poe/hux bit went on a little too long, but they tied it into what was actually going on (stalling for time ) that it wasn't too bad, and it made sense that Hux would fall for a chance to make a grandiose declaration.
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Dec 16, 2017 14:54
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Luke Skywalker standing over a child ready to kill him in his sleep seems SO FAR from the character we know that it’s jarring
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Dec 16, 2017 15:05
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's almost like Snoke was just an obligatory sith placeholder and not a real character all along. This is a major shortcoming.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:15
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Samara posted:Luke Skywalker standing over a child ready to kill him in his sleep seems SO FAR from the character we know that it’s jarring he wasn't ready and that wasn't his plan when he first entered the tent; he says as much "that thought entered my mind in an instant....and was immediately replaced with shame." or somesuch. The point was that he failed Ben by not having faith that he could be saved, and although he recovered that faith it was too late, and Ben misunderstood.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:17
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Samara posted:Guy licks the ground....”it’s salt” Yeah they could have presented the salt aspect in a much more natural way
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HOT! New Memes posted:I've never seen any of the Star War movies. I know the obvious pop culture basics but that's about it.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:21
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Agreed there. I think I get the joke they were going for; badass grunt tastes the ground to track his target...only for him to spit it out cause it's fuckin' dirt. It just came off really clumsy and didnt make sense since he's just keeping watch.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:22
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Samara posted:Luke Skywalker standing over a child ready to kill him in his sleep seems SO FAR from the character we know that it’s jarring In that brief, shameful moment, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. blue squares posted:Yeah they could have presented the salt aspect in a much more natural way He was tasting the RT audience scores.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:26
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Samara posted:Guy licks the ground....”it’s salt” Neurolimal posted:he wasn't ready and that wasn't his plan when he first entered the tent; he says as much "that thought entered my mind in an instant....and was immediately replaced with shame." or somesuch. The point was that he failed Ben by not having faith that he could be saved, and although he recovered that faith it was too late, and Ben misunderstood.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:36
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Serious questions: 1) Did Luke force so hard that he became a force ghost? Was it just his time to go? When Yoda died, didn't he just go to sleep or something? I was fully expecting him to pull a Kenobi vs Kylo Ren, but I guess that was the setup. Are there plans for him in the next movie? 2) What is Kylo Ren's motivation? Genuinely curious. I enjoy the conflict in both characters, but it feels like there's something missing/unresolved (especially re: question 1) I liked the movie, though not as much as TFA. I don't think it's the best one since Empire, but I also liked RotJ and I don't mind ewoks so 
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zenguitarman posted:Serious questions: presumably projecting like that took its toll on him, seeing as he was an old man persisting on anteater milk and giant pirhanas. It's worth noting though that every force ghost you see in the series ends their life on their own terms, which could be important; Vader chooses to pass away seeing his son eye-to-eye, Kenobi lets Vader strike him down, and Yoda passes away in his sleep. As for why not show in the flesh; he probably figured Ren would try to shoot the poo poo out of him with every cannon. Ren is a confused distrustful child, he feels powerless and wants to be respected and important; he bonds with Rey because she's also confused and looking for importance in her life. He's been (or feels he's been) betrayed by every master, father, and kindred spirit he's met. He wants power just like Palpatine, but out of desperation rather than greed. Which is why he was confident when Rey hated him, but brutally crushed at the end when she quietly pitied him. At least, those are my takeaways. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 15:49
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zenguitarman posted:Serious questions: 1. Yes. He probably could have kept on, but he decided that his time had come and he had fulfilled his puropse to that point. I'm almost certain he'll be coming back as a force ghost to talk to Rey. At least he better be. 2. Kylo Ren is evil. He's a bad guy who wants power. To be the supreme Sith. Or dark Jedi, what have you. The conflict Rey sensed in him wasn't between the light and the dark, it was if he was ready to kill his master and take over.
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Dec 16, 2017 15:54
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Re: Luke fading into the Force - Remember that the first thing Kylo says to Rey when their minds are connecting is "You can't be doing this, the effort would kill you". Projecting one's self across the galaxy is established to be a dangerous proposition
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I am mad as hell that Luke didn't lift his old X-Wing from the water and shoot up some fuckers with it.
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