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Weasling Weasel posted:The antagonists don't really work as well, which I think is the biggest weakness. Evil BB8 was pretty good.
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Dec 16, 2017 09:04
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Critics gave episode 1 good reviews. Thats not how that film is or was perceived.
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saw it again tonight, this time with a bunch of people. everybody loved it. very good star wars. as soon as finn and rose contact poe after picking up benicio del toro, he talks about the plan to cloak the transports and escape. everything bad that happens in this movie is because of poe. loved it.
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Zeris posted:The ship chase is just a space version of a siege -- time is running out; a small group of heroes escapes to bring help; etc. Which is obviously funny given the transition to an actual siege shortly thereafter. There... wasn't an exit. It was covered over with rocks and, and this is important, not on the map because it was a natural goddamn cave in. Not liking a movie is fine and all, but the mental gymnastics some in this thread go to in order to not like this movie are completely baffling. I am literally not sure we watched the same movie. BardoTheConsumer fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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cams posted:saw it again tonight, this time with a bunch of people. everybody loved it. very good star wars. Yeah, I assumed they had discussed the plans in front of him, even if I couldn't recall exactly when it happened.
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This was sadly not a good movie. Not even a good Star Wars movie. Bottom third in the series for me The pacing was terrible. It was a 3h movie that felt like a 6h movie with enough story to fill 1h, and Canto Blight is only partly to blame for that. The story was incredibly dumb, even for Star Wars standards. Everyone was acting like an idiot. You can FTL-jump ships in front/around the fleeing ships, you know? You can land your troops 2 kilometers nearer to the target. If you fly your speeders out, let them be shot down only to turn around again, having accomplished nothing you make the commanders of the trench warfare of WW I look like absolute geniuses in comparison. Hux and Kylo never for a second look menacing since TFA. Now they are the main evil? Great. Hux during the whole movie looked like a complete moron, and Gleeson mugged the camera so badly to even increase this. Snoke was a bargain bin Voldemort, but at least he seemed somewhat powerful. Assaulting Starkiller base was a complete bust apparently, because even without it the FO conquered millions of star systems in mere days - but are unable to have a fighter screen around their big bad ships. Del Toro was a complete waste of a character for a complete waste of a story line. The whole middle part of the movie was "wheel spinning for beginners". Luke hat great scenes and was the highlight of the movie, but the storyline and his character poo poo all over the OT. So Luke did nothing for 15 years, then decided to teach one new generation of Jedi, Ben kills them (which by the way makes his explanation that evil Luke wanted to kill him a joke in the first place - the first thing he did after burying Luke was killing all his fellow pupils or convert them to the Knights of Ren?) and then mope around for a decade or so on the island. Sorry, that doesn't work for me, Luke being a optimist, who will try again and again against all odds is the very definition of his character. I also would have found it more impactful if the went to Crait personally instead of the Force Projection. Him shrugging off all the fire personally would have been a similar "oh poo poo" moment. Leia's space walk was a neat idea, badly realised. The main mantra of the movie is "let the past die", but then the whole movie is nothing but one scene after another citing the OT or homaging it. Even if you then subvert it, you still rely on this crutch right into parody. TFA re-told the story of ANH, but it still felt a lot fresher because it didn't feel like a re-shoot of scenes and dialogues. I like some things though - Snoke finally telling Lucasfilm and Kylo how incredibly stupid and childish his mask is. The fight between Kylo and Luke looked absolutely amazing, the one between Kylo + Rey and the guards was also great. The FTL jump into Snoke's ship was awesome. Everything on the island looked amazing and every scene with Luke was fun. If only the boring and stupid Jedi Facetime wasn't there. Generally I find the conflict of Kylo Ren vapid and stupid because I find the character of Kylo Ren vapid and a pale cosplay imitation of Vader, like the whole FO feels like a bad cosplay LARP group of the Empire. The alt-right Neo-Nazis compared to the Nazis themselves. The Porgs were less annoying than I feared, they even were somewhat funny. There were some really good jokes and scenes, but unfortunately the large majority of the humor fell completely flat (for the full movie theatre too) and felt right out of Spaceballs 2 - The Instant Video Sequel. Maz and Phasma were a joke and not a good one, Yoda too as sad as it is. Overall the movie felt a lot like a Zack Snyder movie - great scenes, great moments, incredibly cinematography connected by bullshit, veneer and thin thread of stupidity. Also, Luke's lightsaber should have been green.
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Decius posted:
Just snipping this out to say this: that lightsaber was clearly not Luke's. It was Anakin's. You know. The lightsaber Kylo wanted so badly for one and a half movies. It was just another subtle button push against Kylo since the whole point was to enrage him and make him do stupid things. I can't disagree with some of the rest of what you said but bottom third is way harsh. All three prequels were straight garbage and this one was better than TFA so it should rank at least 5th. Star wars is, in general, pretty bad.
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cams posted:saw it again tonight, this time with a bunch of people. everybody loved it. very good star wars. TFW you're looking at the subtitles and it explicitly does not mention cloaking.
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Dec 16, 2017 09:24
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Luke called it a laser sword, A+ movie
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Dec 16, 2017 09:24
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Rogue One was better than this.
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Vintersorg posted:Rogue One was better than this. Would still make it sixth out of nine, which qualifies for "mediocre" for Star Wars.
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Dec 16, 2017 09:27
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glad they found a way to work a Death Star into the climax there ep9 will feature a cloud of nano Death Stars that get into your veins and blow up all your bloodcells
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Dec 16, 2017 09:32
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Rogue One is the second best Star Wars movie.
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Dec 16, 2017 09:32
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I walked out of it an hour ago feeling it was okay but the more I think about it the more I think I hate it.
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Dec 16, 2017 09:38
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5, 4, 3, 8, r1, 6, 7, 1, 2
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Good Movies: A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One, Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country Alright Movies: Force Awakens, First Contact, Search for Spock, JJTrek1, Beyond Bad Movies that contain some Good or Redeemable Aspects: The Motion Picture, Revenge of the Sith Bad Movies: Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, The Last Jedi, Final Frontier, Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, Into Darkness
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Saw it and liked it.
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That scene with the line of Reys standing at the dark side mirror asking to see her parents is MEME GOLD!! I NEED THAT SCENE TO HAVE BEEN LEAKED AND UPLOADED LIKE YESTERDAY FELLAS LET'S GET ON IT! *shadows fade into view, they come closer, finally revealing themselves to Rey* "Chewie...? And... LANDO?!" *cue the faraway distant sound of a Colt 45 commercial* Roll credits: DIRECTED BY RIAN JOHNSON Movie was loving awful otherwise. You expect me to believe Finn and Rose can warp to some casino planet in an escape jettison pod when in ANH you find out from Ol' Ben that TIE fighters can't even warp? And Finn and Rose can just break free in the middle of a slow speed chase completely unnoticed by EVERYBODY and go straight to Space Vegas so Disney can foreshadow some bullshit Phantom Menace rehash AND be back in time for dinner? And then Rose reveals she's in love with Finn AND THEN JUST loving DIES!? WHAT THE gently caress IS THAT!!! George Lucas must be rolling in his grave. And what the gently caress is up with that B2 bomber shaped ship? Seemed like now that Disney's in charge the movie got intercepted by the CIA and forced to inject some subtle not so subtle pro USA propaganda. But the message of "let everything old die" rung sort of hollow, like the message being given to kids growing up surrounded by the hell we're creating for ourselves on our own planet is "just be cool with all of this and wrap yourself in a convenient facade as I am also doing until it's all over." Which is why I pay money to see Star Wars; not be reminded of how poo poo everything is! Kathy Kennedy what did the world do to you that would make u want to inflict this pain on the world? ;_; Luke's blue milk tiddie farm was  tho
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Dec 16, 2017 10:03
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Mantis42 posted:Critics gave episode 1 good reviews. Thats not how that film is or was perceived. because star wars fans are loving rabid and any critic who would dare slight it is clearly an incompetent idiot who doesn't deserve to have a job where they got to see their precious STAR WARS early and free! you see people questioning the sanity of people or calling it unfathomable that people don't like it because it doesn't align with their perception of it. they just refuse to accept that maybe it's just not perfect or hell, it's not even good, it's just pretty average, unremarkable or only has a handful of good moments. see also: nintendo games, especially the zelda cycle and the 8.8 fiasco. you don't talk poo poo about nintendo franchises as a professional critic, you give them a light touch with their flaws because it's not worth the hassle of saying "actually, this is pretty bad" when they're new because the fans are terrible and will hound you.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:06
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I am legitimately not sure why people are going how Hux being an incompetent fuckup is somehow a strike against the movie when Snoke basically says he keeps him around because he's easy to control?
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Dec 16, 2017 10:11
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Handen posted:Movie was loving awful otherwise. You expect me to believe Finn and Rose can warp to some casino planet in an escape jettison pod when in ANH you find out from Ol' Ben that TIE fighters can't even warp? And Finn and Rose can just break free in the middle of a slow speed chase completely unnoticed by EVERYBODY and go straight to Space Vegas so Disney can foreshadow some bullshit Phantom Menace rehash AND be back in time for dinner? And then Rose reveals she's in love with Finn AND THEN JUST loving DIES!? WHAT THE gently caress IS THAT!!! George Lucas must be rolling in his grave. Rose isn't dead. But she did fall in love with him in under 18 hours while he had nothing but a look of frustration with her because she's annoying as poo poo. It's actually maybe the only romance a little less believable that Padmé and Anakin's in anything I've seen or read in the past decade.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Just snipping this out to say this: that lightsaber was clearly not Luke's. It was Anakin's. You know. The lightsaber Kylo wanted so badly for one and a half movies. It was just another subtle button push against Kylo since the whole point was to enrage him and make him do stupid things. Yes, I understand this and it is a minor thing, but Luke very clearly made himself look like Luke during the time when he taught Ben. He used the green one then and it was the green one he tried to kill Ben with. That's why I would have loved if he'd used it, since I think it would have been an even bigger troll on Kylo.
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"Hey, Finn, I love you" "Yeah, sure, ok. I mean, you did just basically doom my friends to being rounded down and killed like dogs and leave an entire galaxy to fascist rule so you could go out with me and the only reason that didn't happen is because an old wizard half the galaxy away just so happened to show up and save our asses but you know, Rey's probably going to gently caress the school crusher and I only fancy her so you'll do I guess.  Is Poe gay by the way? If he is, I'm going for him, we'd be a way cuter couple."
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Handen posted:That scene with the line of Reys standing at the dark side mirror asking to see her parents is MEME GOLD!! I NEED THAT SCENE TO HAVE BEEN LEAKED AND UPLOADED LIKE YESTERDAY FELLAS LET'S GET ON IT! Josuke Higashikata posted:because star wars fans are loving rabid and any critic who would dare slight it is clearly an incompetent idiot who doesn't deserve to have a job where they got to see their precious STAR WARS early and free! Are you guys 12 years old?
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star wars does things to people and i love it
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sponges posted:Are you guys 12 years old? I'm 11, actually. case in point
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TFA, Rogue One, and TLJ are all bad in different ways, which is probably statistically harder than making okay movies.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Rose isn't dead. gently caress off. That was literally the only thing that made me happy walking out of the theatre was that she loving died because she shouldn't have been a character in the first place and then she loving died. Something about the potency of the edibles I was eating throughout the movie made it incredibly difficult to follow what was going on from pretty much when Leia wakes up in space and reveals she's had rocket thrusters this whole time. OH WAIT NO, THAT WAS JUST HOW loving TERRIBLE THIS MOVIE IS THAT DID THAT
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The Biggest Jerk posted:Dunno if it was mentioned in any of the earlier discussions but in addition to Luke messing with Ren with the projection, reading and playing him like a fool, his final words are a stinging reminder to Ren of his dad, " See you around kid", which Han always refers to Luke as. Also probably taunting him that he'll be back as a force ghost. Ren must have been PISSED. I'm glad I wasn't alone in catching this. I watched all of Mark's promos and talk show interviews leading up to the movie and I noticed in every one of them he somehow finds an excuse to imitate Harrison. So when Luke said "See ya around, kid" I knew he was doing his Harrison imitation as Han to really tell Kylo to gently caress himself. The whole Luke/Kylo fight scene really could not have been better, regardless of whether Luke was actually there or not. XYZAB fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 10:39
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Didn't the kid already have the broom in his hand at the end? I swore he just lifted it up. But I guess I'll find out next time I see it.
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She just force pulled herself, which happened to exhaust her midichlorian reserves and place her in a plot convenient hibernation. It's totally solid epic story telling.
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CelticPredator posted:Didn't the kid already have the broom in his hand at the end? I swore he just lifted it up. But I guess I'll find out next time I see it. Nope, he force picked it up. It's really easy to miss, just like that Rey packed up all the Jedi books (which makes me wonder if Yoda wanted to prevent Luke from finding out she took them or if he burned the tree because Luke wavered)
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Dec 16, 2017 10:43
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I'll be on the look out next time.
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Dec 16, 2017 10:47
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Decius posted:Nope, he force picked it up. It's really easy to miss, just like that Rey packed up all the Jedi books (which makes me wonder if Yoda wanted to prevent Luke from finding out she took them or if he burned the tree because Luke wavered) This way the next one can just decide whether these were meaningful moments or not, nerds will sperg about the significance of the broom scene while other nerds will just go "it was literally a blink and you miss it easter egg". Perfect writing for committee written marketing driven movies, zero artistic pretention, really.
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Without the John Williams score and the childhood nostalgia no one would have thought this was a solid movie, the same can't be said of TFA ergo TFA is much better despite being a soulless husk of a movie.
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Loving the griping about why the First Order don't quickly and efficiently take out the Resistance ship with a couple of TIEs and be done with it. They're sadists who're getting off at their foes being terrified, unable to escape and crushing their hope. They're a cat toying with a dying mouse. They're Captain Phasma deciding not to 'just' execute Finn and Rose but to make it excruciatingly painful. I didn't think any of this was particularly subtle. I mean, it's basically because people approach movies like morons by evaluating them as logical causation chains populated by purely rational actors and can't really understand emotion, but w/e. Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 10:57
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That's terrible characterization.
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"It's bad because they're supposed to be bad!"
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